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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)
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They're all appropriate, but that's not to say there weren't clearer ways to write the sentence.Even this guy is questioning the comma usage on this page
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Yes, there is. In fact, there are parts of existing Switch firmware that directly reference 1440p. Outside of 4K, it's the only resolution referenced within the operating system that isn't supported.
Personally I think they can and should support it. The question is more if they want to bother dealing with the software side of things for that.
Given the presence of this resolution was alongside 720p, and nothing else, I think it most likely refers to the Home Menu and other such UI elements. Those getting a bump to 1440p would be nice, and if they do, as this seems to imply they will, then I think 1440p native output is also likely.
That said I expect the majority of games to target 4K regardless. Not all native 4K, certainly, but it's better for DLSS, or god forbid FSR 1.0, to do that work rather than leaving it to a television.
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Where? I don't recall.
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THEIR PLANS
NINTENDO WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS.
AFTER PIKMIN 4 WE'RE IN THE DARK.
Prediction time:
It will be announced before E3 so 3rd parties can show off games coming to it.
Nintendo will stage a "Switch [REDACTED] Direct" between the reveal and E3 where they show their own games launching with and after it.
Launching in August to October (What I would call "Autumn") like every over Switch revision has before.
OMG THEY HAVE PLANS
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the real bomb here
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If you have to go back and change code to make something a little bit futureproof, it might be just as easy to make it a lot bit futureproof and not have to worry about potentially coming back again in a few years.
That seems pretty quick. The time between major version numbers has basically been 3-7 months so far, or likely June-September for 17.
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So... We support you! But also... ya.. we're not going to be there... at all... so...
Anyone else find that contradictory?
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probably just leaving it open to join in next year or something maybe
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Why wouldn't Nintendo want to attend E3 if that were the case? That would be an opportunity to get people hands on with Switch 2 a few months before it would launch. Im starting to warm up to the idea that the second half of 2023 could be very dismal for first party Nintendo Switch software releases. Even if Switch 2 were launching in October or November, it still seems like E3 would be a great opportunity to announce it and show it off. What are the odds production of Switch 2 is ongoing for months without leaks? If Switch 2 were to launch in the next 6-8 months, this will have been one of the best guarded secrets in recent videogame memory. This would mean the sources that the DF crew have contacts with, as well as Nate likely do not have development kits yet, seeing as how they are suggesting 2024 because they basically know nothing about it right now.
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I'm wondering if it's more about how the event is handled behind the scenes rather than the opportunity it presents...
They've also survived without it for 3 years...
Much like most devs learned to survive without nintendo ... Maybe these companies have learned they don't need to be boxed into E3
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Saying Switch 2 is the "best guarded secret" in any sense is an outright fabrication. They've been TERRIBLE at keeping this thing secret. Doubt is one thing, doubt is fine. There's no need to make things up.
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Much like when somebody asks me if I have plans for the weekend, doing nothing counts a plan.
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Saying Switch 2 is the "best guarded secret" in any sense is an outright fabrication. They've been TERRIBLE at keeping this thing secret. Doubt is one thing, doubt is fine. There's no need to make things up.
We don't even know if it's called Switch 2. The info we have is largely due to an illegal hack
The secret has been very well kept imo
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We didn't know the Switch was called the Switch until it was revealed.
The hack... Still happened. Even if it wasn't strictly a mistake on Nintendo's end, that's still the secret not being kept.
Even if it didn't happen, come on, it's hardly the only source out there. There are public documents that reference the T239.
This device has been leaked and rumoured to death. We know more about it than almost any other Nintendo console pre-reveal. It is one of the worst kept secrets in Nintendo's history.
Not to mention Microsoft having to mention it in court.
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Random thought…. It’s going to be so funny/sad if we get a ps5 pro or new Xbox before a new switch.
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Take this with a huge grain of salt since this is coming from DigiTimes, which generally have a very mixed record.
MediaTek to incorporate Nvidia AI GPU in smartphone SoC?
Nvidia's AI GPUs may be found in MediaTek's flagship smartphone slated for launch as early as 2024, according to industry sources.
www.digitimes.com
聯發科手機晶片戰力升 傳NVIDIA AI GPU助攻
據IC設計業者表示，蘋果（Apple）、三星電子（Samsung Electronics）與先前華為在手機導入AI功能上，早早已鳴槍起跑。在晶片競局中，高通（Qualcomm）、聯發科最新旗艦手機也不斷強打AI技術。
www.digitimes.com.tw
Translation provided by DeepL Translator.
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Saying Switch 2 is the "best guarded secret" in any sense is an outright fabrication. They've been TERRIBLE at keeping this thing secret. Doubt is one thing, doubt is fine. There's no need to make things up.
To say we know practically nothing is far more factual than saying we know almost everything about the next Switch. Even saying the next Switch is still an assumption, a probable one sure, but its not a known fact that the next Nintendo hardware will be a direct successor to the Switch. Even the T239, we have things that highly suggest it will be powering the next Switch, but its also possible that it has been cancelled, however unlikely. So I will concede that perhaps the best kept secret was a stretch, I stand by the idea that if Switch 2 were announced in June and release three months later, and we didn't start getting massive leaks prior to that reveal, that would be a well kept secret. The crew over at DF has a good track record, and currently they seem very much in the dark on the next Switch. It would be surprising to me if they didn't start hearing things months in advance of announcement.
You could argue Nintendo has been very good at keeping it secret. And Nvidia has sucked.
Nintendo can and has done in person demos both by themselves and at non-E3 events. E3 is just one venue they can choose to leverage, and there's a real growing trend at this point of big industry players seemingly thinking E3 isn't worth it anymore.
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That translation is dense as hell so I won't be surprised if I'm taking away the wrong notes haha. Is this suggesting Nvidia is adding an AI virtual assistant to its mobile GPU chips, that could possibly translate to Drake having 'Navi' as an assistant?Take this with a huge grain of salt since this is coming from DigiTimes, which generally have a very mixed record.
MediaTek to incorporate Nvidia AI GPU in smartphone SoC?
Nvidia's AI GPUs may be found in MediaTek's flagship smartphone slated for launch as early as 2024, according to industry sources.www.digitimes.com聯發科手機晶片戰力升 傳NVIDIA AI GPU助攻
據IC設計業者表示，蘋果（Apple）、三星電子（Samsung Electronics）與先前華為在手機導入AI功能上，早早已鳴槍起跑。在晶片競局中，高通（Qualcomm）、聯發科最新旗艦手機也不斷強打AI技術。www.digitimes.com.tw
Translation provided by DeepL Translator.
"Hey Navi, start Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom"
"Hey Navi, what games should I play similar to Animal Crossing?"
"Hey Navi, set a timer to wrap up my game after an hour"
I know it's not a new suggestion but it is interesting to consider, and certainly a differentiating gimmick that the other platform holders don't have yet.
Edit: or is this that thing about using AI to better plan out efficient GPU/CPU/SoC layouts?
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I don't see why not. At least for switch games. And some 1st and 3rd party titles.
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I think the DigiTimes article implied that Nvidia's going to provide Nvidia's GPU IP, which has integrated AI hardware (e.g. Tensor cores), to Mediatek, similar to how AMD provides AMD's GPU IP to Samsung (e.g. Exynos 2200).
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Neither. This is suggesting - and it appears to be nothing more than a rumor - that MediaTek is going to license GPU tech from Nvidia. If so, it's probably a short term win. Switch alone proved that Nvidia can deliver a lot of GPU perf in a small power envelope, but couldn't make a Tegra chip anyone other than Nintendo and the auto industry wanted to use.
This would leave mobile chip development and flagship phone making to MediaTek, while Nvidia upgraded their architecture for power consumption
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Thank you for the clarification! With that in mind, if this rumour is true, essentially it means a little more capital for Nvidia to play with to throw into R&D for a future mobile chip? Nothing here that would necessarily affect Drake's development?
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I don’t see Nintendo trying to reach native 2k for their games especially if they are using DLSS as rumoured.
But I would like to hear the reasoning why you think they would.
Nothing happening now can possibly affect Drakes development. Its set in stone, probably even finished at this point.
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Clockspeeds and what not, they're most likely set and we just don't know yet, yeah? It's just RAM that might be the only fluid variable at this point?
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I'm not actually aware of any TVs that don't at least support 1440p- even if none come in that resolution, almost every 4K set can at least accept a 1440p input.
They could slightly tweak the clock speed/ battery life ratio, but its probably set +- 10% or so.
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If that. Remember Nintendo has been ordering parts for nearly a whole calendar, RAM is probably nailed down, ordered and prepared for production at this point.
The timeline of Nintendo's huge, huge raw materials stockpile and T239's development strongly implies that all can change now is software.
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They support 1440p but don't display 1440p. The TV has to upscale the signal.
It's much better to leave that upscale to the console rather than the TV, which is why 1440p output only makes sense for a 1440p monitor.
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I never said anything to contradict that. You're absolutely right, of course.
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The SOC is locked in, along with the clockspeeds available. Nintendo will settle on something that balances perf/thermals/battery life, but Nintendo changed the clocks of the Switch after launch with software updates.
RAM amounts live outside the SOC, but the RAM type depends on the memory controller which is baked into the SOC.
Storage is a "both" situation. There are IO controllers baked into the SOC, but there are also PCIe lanes which could be connected to different controllers on the motherboard. One of those will almost definitely be attached to the bluetooth/wifi stack, and another to the controller for GameCards. Most likely the expansion card, and onboard storage protocols are using baked in controllers, with amounts open to change.
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"Honey, you didn't wash my SoCs, did you?
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I say it like the peanut butter.
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ess-oh-see for me.
On another note, a return to the weaknesses of the Series S:
Split-screen co-op tech issues seem to be preventing Larian from being confident in an Series S/X release at this time. The common interpretation is suspecting Microsoft's requirement for S release.
And the main suspect there's... probably still ram, huh.
Wonder how much just one more GDDR6 chip would change things for the Series S. One more chip for 2 GB more capacity. 56 GB/s more bandwidth. Of course, assuming 8 digits worth of Series S units get produced, that's probably an expense in the 9 digits USD range. Probably a fair question to ask through this generation if that is worthwhile.
On another note, a return to the weaknesses of the Series S:
Split-screen co-op tech issues seem to be preventing Larian from being confident in an Series S/X release at this time. The common interpretation is suspecting Microsoft's requirement for S release.
And the main suspect there's... probably still ram, huh.
Wonder how much just one more GDDR6 chip would change things for the Series S. One more chip for 2 GB more capacity. 56 GB/s more bandwidth. Of course, assuming 8 digits worth of Series S units get produced, that's probably an expense in the 9 digits USD range. Probably a fair question to ask through this generation if that is worthwhile.
Larian did talk about possible Nintendo support in the past and they said it would depend on better hardware. I wouldn't be surprised to see BG3 on Drake at some point. as for the split screen, I don't know enough to make any guesses as to what kind of problems they face with splitscreen on xbox. if necessary, they could drop it on Drake if need be
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