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Yeah, the innards of this system are pretty nice so there's no reason we couldn't have something new for 2025 like Monster Hunter Wilds as the technical third party showcase.
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A valid argument. But I do stand by my point because:
There's no SRAM scaling with TSMC's N3E process node, with TSMC's N3E process node and TSMC's N5 process node family (including TSMC's 4N process node) sharing the same SRAM area of 0.021 µm².
Yeah, it's a great shortcut, but I'd prefer it were more visually clear - and worked with touch.
Probably a shitload. Power curves are, well, curves, and 7500 is the absolute top of that curve - by definition, Samsung is the primary driver of the standard, the maximum clock speed that Samsung thinks they can safely manufacture gets set as the max in the standard.
I'll refrain from going too off-topic, but that is pretty cool. Shame it means the consumer models that will actually be affordable and not for luxury cars aren't for another decade and a half at best, but maybe it'll mean electric cars with a >375 mile battery range on a single charge aren't too far removed from the present
My point was, if 7nm is so prohibitively expensive after all this time, how on earth is 4N, a far more expensive node, a viable option?
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We can see the sales data - the Switch Lite is the least popular system. Sure Japan cares about portability, but even the OLED outsold the Lite there, and the Lite had a 2 year head start. I don't think Nintendo cares about the size of the system, and after the Lite fell off so hard we might see...famiboards.com
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I see. That makes sense. In that case I'm out of options; chiplet is probably not happening but I also don't think Nintendo will be able to keep costs down once 4N reaches antiquity status. This one's beyond me.
Nah I didn't mean that, I just wanted to point out that something eben smaller than the Switch exists that boasts an electro-permanent magnet. Some folks said that these magnets would be too big or something along those lines and I just don't think that that's the truth. We can easily expect the to be present in the console body as well as the joycons
Wait, 30% logic and 70% SRAM?
This was my thought as well. The biggest untapped part of the market for Nintendo right now is probably 3rd party AAA sector. They'll want the general public to think Switch 2 is a 'portable PS5' and not 'last gen port machine'.
Mine:
Original Switch was like 10W, with 7W for SoC
We're still waiting for Mariko to be hacked without a hardware mod
When we say a node is expensive, we mean R&D costs. You don't just take a design and put it in a new machine. You have to redesign the chip. You're effectively making a while new chip, which is increasingly expensive
I had taken that point for granted. TX1 was based on the 22nm family, on TSMC's 20nm. That whole design was moved forward to the 14nm family to TSMC 16nm.
Did the SoC have an 8-core A78 design? And if so, was it in 2 clusters of 4 or a single cluster of 8? I'm curious if 1x8 has any power savings over 2x4For those interested in CPU frequency/power draw, I found these numbers from a Geekerwan review a little while back
A78 Power Draw:
@ 2.1GHz = 0.49W/c; 8x = 3.92 W
@ 1.9GHz = 0.4W/c; 8x = 3.20 W
@ 1.3GHz = 0.19W/c; 8x = 1.52 W
I don't remember which SoC it was specifically but I do remember it was manufactured on a TSMC 5nm-family node.
Anyways I made a graph to extrapolate power draw at other frequencies
None of them had 8 A78s. They were 1 cluster of 4Core A78 and 4Core A55. A single cluster would have power savings over two clusters of 4Core A78s though as the interconnects have costs and latency penalties
Why do you think 4N will become an antique, at least in the Switch 2's lifespan? TSMC still market larger nodes https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/logic
The current batteries found in Steam Deck and Rog Ally are not 3.7v, but 7.7v. So, while switch has a 16w-h battery, the current portables use a 40w-h battery.
Nothing crazy. Just dipped outta the thread once it became abundantly clear that the successor will be noticeably larger than the current Switch. Not what he's looking for, which is more than fair. I'm not gonna lie and say that the size isn't a concern for me, but it's still also gonna be smaller than every other home console and I play docked 99% of the time.
Interesting article, if technically "old news", particularly regarding the longevity of some 28nm and larger nodes. 4N is an Nvidia specific process, so how long it lasts will be up to big green. I'm hoping with Blackwell ramping up on 3nm there'll be space for T239 on 4N from Q3 this year. But as noted above, these production runs are planned years in advanceTSMC Q1 2021 Process Node Revenue: More 7nm, No More 20nm
www.anandtech.com
TSMC 20nm became antiquated within the Switch's lifespan.
Though you do have a point, they still have some extremely old nodes still in active production because some critical and/or legacy applications still need them, but otherwise mass-market nodes like 20nm got axed. And after what I learned about the difficulty of shrinking SRAM, maybe 4N will stick around a little longer after all.
Considering that datacentre Blackwell's fabricated using TSMC's 4NP process node, and datacentre and consumer products from Nvidia, for the most part, are usually fabricated using the same process node, I have my doubts.
Only the C variant of A78 supports an 8 core cluster and the only product I know of that uses it in that config is Nvidia Bluefield which is not a device anyone is doing benchmarking on.
I thought about Monster Hunter Wilds, however, I feel a late port will come in early 2026 or later
We won't see any 3 nm Nvidia products come to market until 2026.
I don't think there is anything wrong with that, as long as the hidden content stays hidden.
My bad, I was listening to Moore's Law Is Dead. Yeah, I should've known better
Just for comparison the last generation(s) of the iPad and Google Pixel lines used 5nm process and LPDDR5 RAM, even the Pixel 6a which launched in 2022 for $450 used 5nm. The current ones use 3nm / 4nm and just switched to LPDDR5X memory. The Pixel 8 still uses UFS 3.1 storage.
Don't you need more time between mass production and launch? I forgot how long it takes. Maybe 6-8 months?
How come? MHWorld has sold 25 million copies total, while the Switch version of Rise has sold at least 1/3rd of that just on Switch. Switch sold 7.5 million on Switch in 2 months, and then I can't find anymore information on just the Switch release. Personally I'd guess it's 10+ million on Switch after all this time if it sold 7.5 million before Sunbreak came out, as it's topped 15 million recently. Anyways, my point is that Nintendo consoles, especially because they're the only portable of the big 3 left, is where Monster Hunter sells best. They want those sales day 1, and Capcom is super close partner with Nintendo, there's no doubt in my mind they got a dev kit day 1 to start porting Wilds over.
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what kinda event is this?? There's only 2 Nintendo games coming out this year (announced thus far at least, and there's not Direct happening before the 18th), so is it just gonna be demos for Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion? I don't see how this warrants any special event, 1 is a remake and the other is a simple remaster. Maybe I'm alone here, but that seems like too little to host an event over.
