I think we can reasonably assume it wasn't in the documentation sent out to third parties around launch, at least, since that seems to be where DF got a lot of their info.
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“Ascend” and “exceptional” are a pretty positive turn from the last year’s “heavy.”
“Ascend” and “exceptional” are a pretty positive turn from the last year’s “heavy.”
The developers seem positive about the Switch U so far.
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Okay, we really need to talk about the elephant in the room... lack of texture filtering. Will the new device have enough bandwidth to have at least x4 AF on most games, or we are for another 7 years of horribly smeared textures!? IMHO, this is the biggest flaw on the current iteration.
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You know things are ramping up when Nate speaks in tongues.
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exceptional?
Oh my!!!! That just made my weekend
Oh my!!!! That just made my weekend
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Exceptional....han?....
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VideoCardz - AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 3 (FSR3) is “coming soon” to Forspoken and Immortals of Aveum
The tech is coming out months too late, but at least they're releasing it with two of the best games of 2023!
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The song isn’t good. The song isn’t great. The song is exceptional.
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You could only really use "exceptional" in this context to mean either exceeding expectations, or more worryingly, representing questionable and unexpected design choices (that lean the system towards the lowest ends of its specs ranges)
I'm choosing to believe in 'exceeding expectations'
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T239 has exactly the same performance:bandwidth ratio - and perf:tmu, perf:rops ratios - as any other RTX 30 GPU.
Unlike the Switch, T29 has no consistent GPU bottleneck. Or at least not one that isn’t shared by the last half decade of PC gaming.
Texture filtering is one of those things that developers throw extra performance at, after primary development is done. Because of that, ports from stronger machines will always have lower quality texture filtering because that perf will be spent elsewhere.
When it comes to last gen ports, with even minimal clocks, Redacted should outpace the the PS4 on literally every single technical metric, except possible storage size.
The only thing that may cause less than perfect feature parity between last gen consoles and Redacted will be this extra power causing developers to make a different set of trade offs, and handheld adding a second performance profile to test for.
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Wasn't Foxconn as well anticipating early next year in their financial publication from last month while Nikkei a couple of months ago had also reported on a Nintendo contact suggesting spring 2024? Wondering if there's been a mix-up with the H2 reports where perhaps Q2 was meant instead, although if that was the case then the official announcement would have to be coming within the next 8 weeks or so and thus far nothing's indicating significant activity
I too think they could shift it throughout the first several months on just a few content-dense flagship entries and some second-party titles on top of expansions and overhauls for the major releases of the last year or two, honestly for myself and a lot of others the prospect of getting a prettier and smoother Zelda, Pokémon and Mario experience is already enough to make the buy
VideoCardz - AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 3 (FSR3) is “coming soon” to Forspoken and Immortals of Aveum
The tech is coming out months too late, but at least they're releasing it with two of the best games of 2023!
a case where heavy terms and conditions apply when AMD says "consoles can use it". it already rules out the Series S because that has fewer compute units than a gpu that's below AMD's minimum recommendations. it already misses high frame rate performance modes anyway, so it's not like it can get use out of it.
I think people should definitely temper their expectations on this. support sounds more like a technicality than anything else
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There was nothing from Foxconn's or anyone else's financial releases. It was MoneyDJ, a Taiwanese business reporting outlet, who claimed that "supply chain sources" indicated a launch in Q1 2024, which MoneyDJ was reporting on because they expect it to boost Foxconn's business (among other companies).
Nikkei's earlier reporting only said that "a product launch won't happen before next spring at the earliest."
There was also something from TechInsights earlier today, but it's unclear whether that's real reporting or just more "expectations."
ShadowFox08
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Good to know FSR2 requires TAA. I feel dumb for asking this. You can actually stack DLSS with FSR2?
Also I'm curious.. How easy is it for devs to implement DLSS? I imagine it would take a while to get the DLSS ball rolling on Switch 2 (as in most games not supporting it at the start)
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No, not really. Drake is basically as powerful and up-to-date as it is possible to be with a device that goes in a Switch formfactor. There are, at most, 3 micro-upgrades that might be possible, and I don't think they're even worth it.
What I meant was the the integration is basically identical between the two technologies, so if you have one, you've already done all the hard work to slot in the other. It's only slightly more complicated than "search, replace FSR_ with Nv_DLSS" - though again the hard work is testing afterward
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It’s pretty easy? If you’re using Unreal it’s literally a check box and you’re done. If you’re doing it by hand into a custom engine it might take anywhere from a week much longer.
The big question I have is how will it work on Switch 2? DLSS has a custom integration for all the graphics APIs that devs might use on PC. Switch handles some things differently enough that there might be some extra work required. But it still doesn’t appear to be that difficult.
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Let me put it for you into context so you can see why it’s the same thing for this particular case:
Nintendo gives developer kits to third-party partners. Third-party partners that are in contact with digital foundry and digital foundry ancquires information from a third-party developer, or not even a developer just someone on a third-party side of things. Therefore, digital foundry received information from a third-party. DF is the 2nd down the line to have information, not the first and not the primary from directly Nintendo and reports to us who would be the third down the line of receiving information.
Nvidia suffers a large hack in the first half of 2022. In said hack, it has plans for hardware that are done years in advance from Nvidia even plans into an various silicon from their next generation lineup, the RTX 40 series, and even data center and other automotive parts into it, including DLSS, not to mention silicon information via an API called NVN2, with which said API also has references to (some) Nintendo specific information. In this case Nvidia is not Nintendo, so they will be the ”third party source” of information. Nvidia still updates information regarding this chip more than once on Linux confirming that it is still in existence. We also find that there is no other chip for them to work with from Nvidia, therefore, the only one we are narrowed down to is this being the chip.
We are in that sense the third in line to receive information about Nintendo because we didn’t get it directly from Nintendo we got it from someone else.
Do you see how we are in the same position?
We are literally never getting anything directly confirmed from the horse itself. Everything we’ve ever found has been from the cow spying on the chicken that spied on the horse. We never found anything directly from the horse.
Except, maybe, who they are working with in the past. Though I’m not sure if current nintendo has ever mentioned Nvidia in any capacity in the past seven years.
I mean, I suppose so considering what the 3DS was succeeding. It was easier for them to just switch around I think? I don’t think the DS really had a GPU in a traditional sense and it was actually the CPU doing everything so Nintendo wasn’t so limited to having to be nvidia and were able to switch around, but I could be wrong. while with a switch to switch 2 it’ll be a lot harder and trickier because it has a Sophisticated GPU.
That’s fine.
But I wouldn’t really expect a portable console at that point.
Bodes a bit nicer for Drake I guess.
AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 3 (FSR3) is launching this fall - VideoCardz.com
AMD FSR3 will work with Radeon RX 5700, GeForce RTX 20 GPUs, launching this fall The long-overdue update for FSR3 is finally here. AMD officially announces support for its latest upscaling technology in several titles. The new version of FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR), known as FSR3...videocardz.com
Yes. I will voice Toad and Toad and the other Toad with a hiccup as a memorable trait.
Unless I’m quashed into mushroom soup….
PlayStationPortal discussion, talk about the XBox Series S and talk about the influencers being flown to New York for a game or whatever.
That’s what it’ll be on.
Probably not. It’s not really that much of a thing on consoles I think?
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expandable storage? in theory, 2TB
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That reminds me, I've had the GameCube version for three years and I still haven't played it yet
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That reminds me, I've had the GameCube version for three years and I still haven't played it yet
Legends is overall the better version, but suffers from lower quality audio, mainly music, and during S. Moves, the audio can go out of sync because they wanted to “speed” up the moves so as not to make everything so fricking long. Battles in general are “faster,” which does not help the out of sync audio.
Otherwise, it’s a solid version with better graphics, more side quests and character backstory, less enemy encounters, and still one of the best applications of open world progression in any game…ever.
It doesn’t hurt that it’s still over two decades later my GOAT. I’ve been waiting since Legends for a remaster/definitive version of the game. I don’t even want a sequel. Just give me Skies of Arcadia.
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I was with you until the end. I still want a sequel (despite Reiko Kodama’s passing). I suppose I’ll take anything at this point, a remaster or even a ROM dump on modern digital stores. It’s a crime that a classic is languishing on hardware from three generations ago.
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I just don’t know how a sequel can work given how the game already feels “complete.” It’s legitimately one of the very few games I’ve played where the game feels finished, and the player accomplished. The game just feels perfect on its own as its own story.
That said, perhaps a sequel that takes place centuries after the first game MIGHT work, but certainly not another adventure with Vyse. At least, I don’t see it.
Edit: as a side note, I was bummed when Reiko passed away. She understood how to make good characters, give them a personality, and also make the player actually care about them. It’s rare for me to actually “care” about the characters in the story, let alone the game itself.
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Wait, it's open world????
Seriously, I never knew that, so I never thought to check. Having checked now, BotW, MK8D, Mario Odyssey, and various others early games by Nintendo are using the 460Mhz profile.
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Don’t do this to me, it’s one of my dream games, I’ll cry the day we get a remake/remaster/sequel.
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Exceptional can only mean one, some, or all of the following:
I'm choosing to believe all of the above no I will not be taking further questions at this time.
- Better tech than expected
- Better launch lineup than expected
- Better price than expected
- Earlier launch date than expected
- New IP called KNEES than expected
I'm choosing to believe all of the above no I will not be taking further questions at this time.
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Sneak peak at the songs sung:
"Console from Tokyo"
"Carry On My Insider Friend"
"Nintendo, I Love Your Way"
"I'll Do Anything For Leaks, But I Won't Do That"
"(I Can't Get No) Backwards Compatability"
"Sgt Nate's Insider Fanclub Band"
"Don't Stop Believing"
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Especially when you see the home menu mockups for the "focus". Not sure if they're made by the same person, but they don't do the credibility any favors. It ends up looking less real than this
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Can we at least know - are these songs in relation to hardware/specs or games?
This is only a tidbit for those interested in the supply chain. Skip if not.
Shenzhen Zesum Technology is a Nintendo supplier of these parts, the Joy-Con rails being their main product. The company went public this July, listed in ChiNext (sort of a Chinese Nasdaq). During the stock registration procedure, a copious amount of info was disclosed to the public. In one of the documents, Zesum stated that the company worked with “Company N” to develop the Joy-Con rails for the OLED model, therefore was the very first supplier of these parts. Here’s the development process:
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Shenzhen Zesum Technology is a Nintendo supplier of these parts, the Joy-Con rails being their main product. The company went public this July, listed in ChiNext (sort of a Chinese Nasdaq). During the stock registration procedure, a copious amount of info was disclosed to the public. In one of the documents, Zesum stated that the company worked with “Company N” to develop the Joy-Con rails for the OLED model, therefore was the very first supplier of these parts. Here’s the development process:
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- Nintendo began working with the supplier on the updated Joy-Con rails from 11/2019. That’s 24 months prior to the release of OLED model.
- On the supplier side, the new parts went from initial development to mass production in 18 months.
- From the start of mass production, it took 6 months to reach the retailers.
- 24, 18, and 6 are very exact numbers. It seems that the launch of OLED model was meticulously planned.
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Wouldn't that be something if the Switch NG is sitting in some warehouse complete for months in the Spring and Nintendo don't release it until later in the fallThis is only a tidbit for those interested in the supply chain. Skip if not.
Shenzhen Zesum Technology is a Nintendo supplier of these parts, the Joy-Con rails being their main product. The company went public this July, listed in ChiNext (sort of a Chinese Nasdaq). During the stock registration procedure, a copious amount of info was disclosed to the public. In one of the documents, Zesum stated that the company worked with “Company N” to develop the Joy-Con rails for the OLED model, therefore was the very first supplier of these parts. Here’s the development process:
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- Nintendo began working with the supplier on the updated Joy-Con rails from 11/2019. That’s 24 months prior to the release of OLED model.
- On the supplier side, the new parts went from initial development to mass production in 18 months.
- From the start of mass production, it took 6 months to reach the retailers.
- 24, 18, and 6 are very exact numbers. It seems that the launch of OLED model was meticulously planned.
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I never had the slightest problem understanding that Nintendo are extremely unlikely to provide the exact specs at any point.
You can say that apart from the horse's mouth, all information is 3rd party so all the same blah blah but it is not true, the fact that when a reliable, trustworthy site like EG/DF confirms the specs of the finished product, It'll be solid, just like with OG Switch.
Terrell's great post explains how it's very unlikely not to be T239 but who knows what has happened since TEH STOLEN DATA (which does not contain all information to be sure of performance anyway), e.g. the cancellation of Switch Pro. I'll let people state exactly how it'll compare to Series S, despite having no idea on RAM, clock speeds etc.
I'll personally wait for actual confirmation on the finished product before I can say "I know", I really hope it is T239 with 12GB of RAM and decent clock speeds etc. As likely as it seems, it's not confirmed.
Insist all you want that Nintendo will never tell us so THE STOLEN DATA is as good as we'll ever get, I completely disagree.
Are there any particular design changes in regards to the design of Joy Con rails parts?This is only a tidbit for those interested in the supply chain. Skip if not.
Shenzhen Zesum Technology is a Nintendo supplier of these parts, the Joy-Con rails being their main product. The company went public this July, listed in ChiNext (sort of a Chinese Nasdaq). During the stock registration procedure, a copious amount of info was disclosed to the public. In one of the documents, Zesum stated that the company worked with “Company N” to develop the Joy-Con rails for the OLED model, therefore was the very first supplier of these parts. Here’s the development process:
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* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
- Nintendo began working with the supplier on the updated Joy-Con rails from 11/2019. That’s 24 months prior to the release of OLED model.
- On the supplier side, the new parts went from initial development to mass production in 18 months.
- From the start of mass production, it took 6 months to reach the retailers.
- 24, 18, and 6 are very exact numbers. It seems that the launch of OLED model was meticulously planned.
I assume that you’re asking about the OLED model’s rails? The fit of these rails is tighter, so the Joy-Cons are less likely to become loose. Don’t know whether they are also more durable but that’s possible.
In the Zesum document, the company stated that Nintendo obliged them to import the material (steel) for the rails from a designated supplier to ensure quality. It is rather unusual for a Chinese manufacturer to import steel because sourcing locally would be cheaper. It demonstrates Nintendo’s quality standard (thumb stick notwithstanding).
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Only Mariko models.
casualreader
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Let's make sure this does not happen. He was kind enough to say it. For now let's just be confident Nintendo knows what they are doing. Like with totk, the wait was extended countless times, but in the end it was worth it. We just know now that it is one of these situations.
Nate just confirmed 16gb ram, tsmc 4nm and analogue triggers.
casualreader
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I am in a similar line of work. They don't have more information than anyone. This is just glorified journalists but with a view/speculating. Not that there is no value in that, but they should make it clear.
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