GPU requirements are very scalable. Engines generally cares more about features than they do about power, and ampere is at least as good as rdna 2 feature wise.
What ballpark are we talking about: 1050Ti to 1060 maybe?
That's a good point, something I didn't consider.
Well, if you assume the target is 720p, it doesn’t sound so bad. That’s a 9th of the amount of pixels.
Is raytracing a resolution dependent feature in all use cases?
While true there is still a floor for a reason. At some point you just need raw compute power to render the world even if you clamp down on the draw distance.
Can't compare GDDR6 to Lpddr5 for power consumption.
The info we have is that the Nintendo SoC has 12 SMs/1536 CUDA Cores. Yes, it's way more than we expected.
The 12 SMs is stated outright. The core count is an extrapolation.
Well if it's not going to be now (in the next 12 months or so), it's still going to happen, just later, as it seems the hardware has already been decided on give or take a detail. But imo a "later" launch (which is what many outside this thread expect, because of OLED recency and other reasons) will be less effective.
For general Ampere architecture. We don't know for a fact this is using that same architecture exactly, there was talk of it borrowing features from Ada.
Speculation started in 2019 - it made sense to lots of folks that Nintendo would be interested in their major technology partner's tool for upping resolution without as big a leap in GPU power. IIRC it was mostly chatter on message boards with nothing behind it. I recall a resetera thread that was mostly PC players saying DLSS was a huge failure that wasn't going to stick around, and Nintendo players saying Ninty would never do that
Probably not. It still has strict power constraints that the XSS doesn't have.
We are talking 12 RT cores here (As stated in the API)
Yes, depending on clock, it could even be somewhat close in portable mode. Basically a PS4 Pro in your hands with just current Switch portable clock.
Yeah and it goes to PS4 Pro level after DLSS, PS4 level pre-DLSS (In handheld)
Based on what we know now I don’t see how the system would have any issues running RDR2.I still think that Nintendo really wants their developers (and 3:rd party) to use DLSS in undocked mode if it’s feasible or possible at 600Gflops.
Otherwise it needs to be a tad more powerful.
Imagine playing RDR2 in undocked mode using DLSS to render a 540p image to 1080p and then downsample to 720p
AMD RT performance in comparison to Nvidia is notoriously poor.
You're thinking of Brainchild who commented on the other thread saying he wishes he could talk about this but due to NDA cannot.
In that case I don't know. I'd defer to others.
I thought Orin had 1 RT core for every 2 SMs. So it would be 6 RT cores if this has the same general architecture.
I'm all for image quality, but I don't think 540p->DLSS->1080p->scale->720p would gain much versus 540p->DLSS->720p to be worth the extra machine effort.Imagine playing RDR2 in undocked mode using DLSS to render a 540p image to 1080p and then downsample to 720p
I know who you are referring to.
Yeah Orin does say that in it's Devpapers.
To add to this, rumors that the system would have DLSS began circulating on ERA around December 2020. That's probably around when talk of the next Switch using DLSS really took off in this specific circle.Speculation started in 2019 - it made sense to lots of folks that Nintendo would be interested in their major technology partner's tool for upping resolution without as big a leap in GPU power. IIRC it was mostly chatter on message boards with nothing behind it. I recall a resetera thread that was mostly PC players saying DLSS was a huge failure that wasn't going to stick around, and Nintendo players saying Ninty would never do that
In September of 2020, Bloomberg reported that devs were being told to "prepare for 4k" but DLSS wasn't mentioned. At that point it was either dismissed by folks, or DLSS was brought up. At that point, people who assumed the Bloomberg report was accurate were pretty convinced that DLSS had to be involved, and by early 2021 Bloomberg was saying the same thing. Bloomberg wasn't the first by any notion, that was just the point that the conversation really blew up and all the "insiders" seemed mostly in sync
Then the OLED launched and there was a backlash, but lots of sources doubled down - a 4K Switch was coming. At that point it was clear that DLSS was the key to NVidia's gaming plans anyway so even people who didn't seem to believe that the Switch was getting a revision largely assumed that DLSS was going to be involved in The Next Console. By late 2021 we started to see that Nintendo had patented AI upscaling technology similar to DLSS that would require NVidia hardware to run - by then the direction was pretty clear.
So far the leaks have been mainly focused around the graphics API, so it makes sense that the CPU is not really mentioned. Nvidia is using reference cores on the CPU side, so there probably just isn't anywhere near as much info from them to leak on that front in the first place.
Brainchild who appears to be working on a project that depends on geometry shaders, and high storage throughput. I don't think we have any indications of that from the data we have, though someone more knowledgeable about Nvidia's offerings might be able to infer support for RTX IO from what we know.
Nanite doesn’t really require ultra fast storage speeds though.
Great job on the first episode, keep it up.
What if they kinda go the XBox Series route to circumvent the shortage without limiting themselves for the rest of the generation?
We'd probably have heard about a second SoC in that case. Right now all we've heard about is T239.
Tim Drake, most likely
You're jumping to conclusions instead of taking the information at face value. Orin has been modified from it's initial design, thus officially changing from 17b transistors to 21b transistors. There are some theories, but what we have in front of us is that at some point Orin had 16 RT cores and now has 8 RT cores, saying that Drake's RT cores were also halved is just baseless speculation. The number for Drake is 12 RT cores, until it isn't.
Not sure about that. The second SoC would be just replicating an existing configuration from Drake, so they could easily work solely on Drake until they finish tweaking and tapping it out.
This is how bad rumors start, this is all confusing enough for people, no need to make a bunch of things up right now. We will get more information on Friday. I think we should refrain from making our own changes to basically official specs, just because we might not understand them.
If there was another chip, it would be somewhere in this leak.
I'm not taking anything at face value, I literally said "So it would be 6 RT cores if this has the same general architecture."
it said 12 RT cores for Drake and 16 RT cores for Orin in the leaked data, Orin has limited need for RT cores, but Drake is a gaming SoC, and we know Orin changed and now has 8 RT cores, but no signs that Drake has changed.
I didn’t at all mean to start a rumour. I just meant that if that is the approach Nintendo will take (disabling part of the chip, instead of having lower clocks), a separate chip for lite would be logical. Of course we don’t know anything.
Oh, did it explicitly say 12RT cores? I must have missed that.
Sure, I'll just do some quick clocks.
Yeah, it said 12RT for Drake and 16RT for Orin. I'm just trying to preserve the known specs that we have without taking into account theories, maybe Dakhil will be able to fill out a list for the OP of known specs, also what that data sheet with benchmarks might be is actually tensor cores and gives 16.6TOPs I think for Drake.
I do say though if they added a Peizoelectirc cooler in the dock they likely could push 2Ghz for the GPU clock.
