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Rumour Xbox First Party going third party/multiplat - Discussing and Summary Thread (UPDATE: 4 Xbox exclusives are coming to Nintendo Switch and PS5)

robertman2 said:
that shit is in legal superhell, you will never see a switch port of it because they can't sell it
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they'd have to completely remake it since the code was ordered to be destroyed. name is too toxic anyway, as is Dennis Dyack and Silicon Knights (and I know people would bring up the writer who got popped for being a pedo, but that's the least of their problems)
 
If Microsoft stops advertising consoles and the games of other publishers, is it reasonable to expect the AAA and AA markets to shrink significantly? I just can't imagine millions of Xbox owners migrating to PS or PC, because those platforms don't offer what made Xbox attractive to many (plus the PS5 being disgustingly expensive in many regions).
 
Yzz said:
If Microsoft stops advertising consoles and the games of other publishers, is it reasonable to expect the AAA and AA markets to shrink significantly? I just can't imagine millions of Xbox owners migrating to PS or PC, because those platforms don't offer what made Xbox attractive to many (plus the PS5 being disgustingly expensive in many regions).
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No
 
Yzz said:
If Microsoft stops advertising consoles and the games of other publishers, is it reasonable to expect the AAA and AA markets to shrink significantly? I just can't imagine millions of Xbox owners migrating to PS or PC, because those platforms don't offer what made Xbox attractive to many (plus the PS5 being disgustingly expensive in many regions).
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the thing is people are still buying the ps5 despite being expensive in those regions or if the ps5 are not available then pc. MS will go the sega route and just publish their games
 
Red Monster said:
I feel like such a sucker for buying an S and three years of game pass. I hardly use it, and now all the games I’d want the S for are going to be on my preferred console, PS5, anyway. This sucks.
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My xbox broke last month.... I was thinking on fixint it, but the fact that i barely use it unless on the cloud on my pc... so, no fix for it.
 
Yzz said:
If Microsoft stops advertising consoles and the games of other publishers, is it reasonable to expect the AAA and AA markets to shrink significantly? I just can't imagine millions of Xbox owners migrating to PS or PC, because those platforms don't offer what made Xbox attractive to many (plus the PS5 being disgustingly expensive in many regions).
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Not for that reason, but if the AAA gaming space is no longer financially viable for Microsoft to pursue I'd be worried about Sony long term. Microsoft has a lot more money than Sony.
 
Red Monster said:
I feel like such a sucker for buying an S and three years of game pass. I hardly use it, and now all the games I’d want the S for are going to be on my preferred console, PS5, anyway. This sucks.
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I have a Series S and PS5. I'm probably just going to use the Xbox to sub to Game Pass a month at a time. Binge on a bunch of games that I don't care about owning and then unsub. Let more games stack up, sub, and then unsub again. That will help justify my purchase.
 


i've always liked Kyle's take on Xbox things. Feels like the writing has been on the wall for Xbox for a long time.

All that said, I'm looking forward to playing Hi-Fi Rush on Switch.
 
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Red Monster said:
I feel like such a sucker for buying an S and three years of game pass. I hardly use it, and now all the games I’d want the S for are going to be on my preferred console, PS5, anyway. This sucks.
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I actually feel better about my Series S (2021 purchase) after having bought my PS5 (2023 purchase) -- the S is my GamePass, Street Fighter, and cheap digital games box and the PS5 is my cheap/rental physical, Final Fantasy, and Sony-1st-party box. I also find the S, despite being less graphically powerful than the PS5, much more pleasant to use due to the controller, UI, and quick resume.

(Full disclosure: I also game share and (GamePass share) with family in another state, which lowers the cost of Xbox gaming for me.)
 
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Apopheniac said:
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What Does Xbox Even Mean Anymore? - Aftermath

The company is reportedly considering releasing everything from Starfield to Indiana Jones on PlayStation
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Oh, that's easy: XBOX is the platform you get if you don't want to build a PC but you also don't want the option to buy any PlayStation exclusives. I'm sure there's dozens of people that want that. Some of them even post on Fami.
 
Brock Reiher said:
Not for that reason, but if the AAA gaming space is no longer financially viable for Microsoft to pursue I'd be worried about Sony long term. Microsoft has a lot more money than Sony.
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I think Sony will be fine for now by virtue that the PS5 is selling considerably better than Xbox. Like, it's not even a contest. I know people have been harbringers of doom for the home console market for a while now, but both Sony and Nintendo still have appealing products on the market which people want to buy. Microsoft's issue is that demand for the Xbox in particular has dropped off a cliff. I'm of the opinion they could turn it around if they wanted to, but if these rumblings are anything to go by, it doesn't seem like their bigwigs are interested in doing so.

There may be a future in which consoles are not viable, but I think it's a long way off based on current evidence. It may just be a future in which Xbox ducks out earlier than we anticipated.
 
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Next gen, Microsoft should take the 3DO route and license the brand to other manufacturers. I want the high end consoles from the big manufacturers (even Sony) all the way down to like an RCA equivalent (Hisense? I don’t even know who makes what anymore from a technology aspect).
 
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Dardan Sandiego said:
Oh, that's easy: XBOX is the platform you get if you don't want to build a PC but you also don't want the option to buy any PlayStation exclusives. I'm sure there's dozens of people that want that. Some of them even post on Fami.
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Hey.

It also has Rare Replay.

😤
 
Thinking back at the whole Activision acquisition drama, all i have to say at this point is lol and maybe lmao


It really does suck for all the people that built their libraries on the ecosystem, if they end up nuking the hardware side of Xbox...
 
Dardan Sandiego said:
Oh, that's easy: XBOX is the platform you get if you don't want to build a PC but you also don't want the option to buy any PlayStation exclusives. I'm sure there's dozens of people that want that. Some of them even post on Fami.
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Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey machine, don't forget that!

Infinite Undiscovery even!
 
Barely caught this over all of the other Xbox news, but apparently FFXIV will require Game Pass on top of the subscription fee? What in the hell
 
I suppose Xbox can be become the actual publishing and Game Pass Division

I just wont to not loose my(not so big) Series S digital library

Still the best version of Toy Story 3 and Code Veronica on Xbox
 
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Red Monster said:
I feel like such a sucker for buying an S and three years of game pass. I hardly use it, and now all the games I’d want the S for are going to be on my preferred console, PS5, anyway. This sucks.
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Gamepass sounds great, but if you never want to play anything on it, you may as well be spending more money than standard boxed games.

Like, I'm subbed to NSO of all things, but I actually play stuff on that regularly.
 


It may be Game Pass or bust for any developers who want to make games for Xbox going forward. The audience has already been conditioned to not pay for games and wait for Game Pass. The issue becomes even bigger sales of the console stagnate.
 
Having been offline all weekend, this is incredible news to return to. Feels like potentially the end of a two-decade era.

As someone who has been the very happy owner of a Series X and gamepass sub, I'm a little shocked it hasn't been more successful. It's hard to imagine the green team having done more. Great hardware, incredible value (gamepass), and yes, some great exclusives. People just don't care. It appears the network effect on Playstation is just too high at this point to be overcome.

Man, I could talk about it for days - starting with all the wasted effort of that lawsuit, or who has been fighting for what direction internally in Microsoft - but I'll wait for an announcement.

All I'll say for now is that if you haven't had an Xbox or PC, then you're a winner here and you're really gonna want to play:
-Grounded
-Pentiment
-Flight Sim
-Forza Horizon 4 or 5 (I prefer 4)
-Psychonauts 2

Like I said, there are good games in this ecosystem. I genuinely feel like if something like Grounded had been created and marketed by Nintendo, or say, Pentiment by Sony then the reaction to them would have been entirely different. Firstly the marketing would have been better, but there's a self-sustaining fanbase that almost does the marketing for you online. Xbox doesn't have that, and games are diminshed just by association with this brand that has become associated with losing (being 3rd out of 3 for more than a decade) as well as corporate america (microsoft in general).

Add in the fact that Xbox could never under any circumstances - no matter what choices were made - win in Japan, and man it's really hard to see what they could have done differently - other than manage their studios better, I guess.

Welp, PS5 Pro for me this holiday, I guess. Now I'm looking at all the digital games I bought for full price on Xbox and wondering how much it'll cost to rebuy them on sale on the PS5. Fortunately it was only about 5 games, lol, due to game pass. Don't regret the Series X one bit, though. Great machine, and game pass had me try games (like Pentiment) I may have never tried otherwise.
 
Heron said:
Having been offline all weekend, this is incredible news to return to. Feels like potentially the end of a two-decade era.

As someone who has been the very happy owner of a Series X and gamepass sub, I'm a little shocked it hasn't been more successful. It's hard to imagine the green team having done more. Great hardware, incredible value (gamepass), and yes, some great exclusives. People just don't care. It appears the network effect on Playstation is just too high at this point to be overcome.

Man, I could talk about it for days - starting with all the wasted effort of that lawsuit, or who has been fighting for what direction internally in Microsoft - but I'll wait for an announcement.

All I'll say for now is that if you haven't had an Xbox or PC, then you're a winner here and you're really gonna want to play:
-Grounded
-Pentiment
-Flight Sim
-Forza Horizon 4 or 5 (I prefer 4)
-Psychonauts 2

Like I said, there are good games in this ecosystem. I genuinely feel like if something like Grounded had been created and marketed by Nintendo, or say, Pentiment by Sony then the reaction to them would have been entirely different. Firstly the marketing would have been better, but there's a self-sustaining fanbase that almost does the marketing for you online. Xbox doesn't have that, and games are diminshed just by association with this brand that has become associated with losing (being 3rd out of 3 for more than a decade) as well as corporate america (microsoft in general).

Add in the fact that Xbox could never under any circumstances - no matter what choices were made - win in Japan, and man it's really hard to see what they could have done differently - other than manage their studios better, I guess.

Welp, PS5 Pro for me this holiday, I guess. Now I'm looking at all the digital games I bought for full price on Xbox and wondering how much it'll cost to rebuy them on sale on the PS5. Fortunately it was only about 5 games, lol, due to game pass. Don't regret the Series X one bit, though. Great machine, and game pass had me try games (like Pentiment) I may have never tried otherwise.
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yeah inertia and messing up the XONE generation was basically a death sentence for the xbox console
 
biglo25 said:
yeah inertia and messing up the XONE generation was basically a death sentence for the xbox console
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It was.

And looking back, I think Kinect was what initially led them down that path. It was very successful for them for a time, but without Kinect I reckon they totally rethink the value proposition of Xbox One, and ensure it's as powerful as PS4 at the same price - at the least.

Xbox was always at it's most successful when the brand was positioned as "the most powerful box, for the most hardcore gamers, with the best online multiplayer features". That was how they entered the market, that was how they succeeded with the 360.

Kinect moved them away from that considerably, and then XOne being substantially weaker than PS4 finished the job and killed that brand message stone dead - right as people started building libraries and online friend communities that would last decades. They tried to recapture this brand image with the One X, but halfway through a generation was too late.

The role Kinect played in all this is very interesting. Of course, the focus on TV and sports and attempt to remove used games showed that the problem was far more than that - it was a fundamental misunderstanding of the market in the boardroom, but still... without Kinect maybe they might at least have made a competitive box and been able to pivot.

Of course, none of that solves the fact that it's a game company attached to a fundamentally uncool corporation that would never succeed in Japan and that Europe was conquered by Sony in the PS2 generation in a way that was always going to be hard to undo.
 
Heron said:
Add in the fact that Xbox could never under any circumstances - no matter what choices were made - win in Japan, and man it's really hard to see what they could have done differently - other than manage their studios better, I guess.
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Probably the best thing would have been to invest in smaller scale studios without outright buying them out during the 360 era, and curate a steady relationship with all Japanese publishers. Make due with the fact the early projects wouldn't do gangbusters, but keep going steady until they had a firmer grip. Instead they kinda just threw money into random game grabs and one off projects that went nowhere.

You could argue MS has a great relationship with the big Japanese publishers, but they never did anything to really cultivate and grow that relationship into one that had an impact in Japan. Xbox was just too big in the Americas to ignore, and even then, plenty did. (See Square.)
 
I thought about buying a series X when it was on sale for $350 in December. Kind of glad I didn't. I still have a Xbox One X that I bought in 2019 and have barely played on. I'll likely only hook it up again if I felt like playing Banjo Kazooie.

I for one would love to play Starfield and Rare Replay on my PS5.
 
Heron said:
Having been offline all weekend, this is incredible news to return to. Feels like potentially the end of a two-decade era.

As someone who has been the very happy owner of a Series X and gamepass sub, I'm a little shocked it hasn't been more successful. It's hard to imagine the green team having done more. Great hardware, incredible value (gamepass), and yes, some great exclusives. People just don't care. It appears the network effect on Playstation is just too high at this point to be overcome.

Man, I could talk about it for days - starting with all the wasted effort of that lawsuit, or who has been fighting for what direction internally in Microsoft - but I'll wait for an announcement.

All I'll say for now is that if you haven't had an Xbox or PC, then you're a winner here and you're really gonna want to play:
-Grounded
-Pentiment
-Flight Sim
-Forza Horizon 4 or 5 (I prefer 4)
-Psychonauts 2

Like I said, there are good games in this ecosystem. I genuinely feel like if something like Grounded had been created and marketed by Nintendo, or say, Pentiment by Sony then the reaction to them would have been entirely different. Firstly the marketing would have been better, but there's a self-sustaining fanbase that almost does the marketing for you online. Xbox doesn't have that, and games are diminshed just by association with this brand that has become associated with losing (being 3rd out of 3 for more than a decade) as well as corporate america (microsoft in general).

Add in the fact that Xbox could never under any circumstances - no matter what choices were made - win in Japan, and man it's really hard to see what they could have done differently - other than manage their studios better, I guess.

Welp, PS5 Pro for me this holiday, I guess. Now I'm looking at all the digital games I bought for full price on Xbox and wondering how much it'll cost to rebuy them on sale on the PS5. Fortunately it was only about 5 games, lol, due to game pass. Don't regret the Series X one bit, though. Great machine, and game pass had me try games (like Pentiment) I may have never tried otherwise.
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From my perspective, Microsoft never recovered from how badly they fumbled the launch of the Xbox One. Even leaving aside the DRM and no-used games debacle, you consider that during the 360 era they were firing on all cylinders - I'd personally consider the 360 a top 5 console of all time for me. Yet they never built a library of exclusives like that again. They failed to get notable third party exclusives outside of stuff like Tomb Raider (which caused an almighty shitstorm at the time). And all the while their internal studios failed to produce anything that could realistically compete with Last of Us and God of War on the Sony side, and Zelda and Mario on the Nintendo side. Forza is about the only series they've had during this time which has stayed consistently good with multiple new releases. That's why they went on an acquisition spree to plug the gaps, and now it seems they may have overplayed their hand.

I keep on joking that Microsoft have had the best upcoming slate of games for the past 10 years but they have had a huge issue getting these projects over the line. All those games you've listed have been great, and I will keep on telling anyone who listens that Hi-Fi Rush was one of the best games released last year in a packed year. But there's nothing there that's on the same level as Sony and Nintendo's big hitters. Stuff like Halo and Gears of War used to be, but they've been badly mismanaged and are now MIA.

Like I said above, I felt that with time Spencer and his team could probably have turned it all around for their next console, but if Xbox sales are really so drastically bad, then that's time it looks like they won't get now.
 
Galgavias said:
I'd personally consider the 360 a top 5 console of all time for me. Yet they never built a library of exclusives like that again.
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The fact that we never got something like Xbox Live Arcade again (and that some really solid indies are still locked behind it - the Dishwasher is an example of a game that's probably not ever going to be rereleased because of MS sitting on the publishing rights) is a genuine travesty.
 
So I remember last year, Phil was going on podcasts and making media appearances where he was basically trying to paint a bad picture for Xbox, ostensibly for the PR to push the Activision deal through. But looking back on all of that, if Xbox/Microsoft PR had no issue with him saying things like "We lost the worst generation to lose," I kind of wonder how bad things actually are behind the scenes. What's the stuff PR wouldn't let him say?
 
Starfield really was the lynchpin here. No other upcoming exclusive game will even have half the hype that game did, and it failed to deliver or move the needle in the slightest. I guess Elder Scrolls VI would too, but Microsoft isn't gonna sit on their hands for the 5+ years that game has ahead of it in development while their consoles sell like garbage.

Oh well, I personally will not lament the loss of Microsoft as a console hardware maker at all. Since Xbox One, they've been a bit dangerous for the industry as a whole, and it's nice to see that consumers rejected all their dumb plans.
 
JazzPotatoes said:
The thing is, Starfield was never going to turn things around by itself. No one game ever turns around hardware by itself. It's about showcasing that you've got an upcoming library of strong software.

Following on from Starfield, MS were setting things up to show off Indiana Jones, Avowed, Hellblade II, etc. And now out of nowhere, after already advertising these games as must have Xbox games, the messaging is now pivoting to "Oh yeah, these are going to be on other platforms too."

To compare, if Nintendo had taken this approach, then the release of Mario Kart 8 on Wii U would be the point at which they announced they're packing in making hardware.
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I get where you are coming from, but ultimately if even Starfield didn't move the needle, which of these other games would have realistically?

Comparing it to Nintendo on the WiiU is also not really a fair comparison. While the WiiU sales where obviously dysmal, Nintendo still had an incredibly strong catalogue of IPs, including access to massive multi media franchises such as Pokémon and (at the time at least) the 3DS as well.

For Microsoft the situation is that they face this uphill battle while having to effectively build up IPs. Now that they bought a few massive ones it seems that that also didn't help to turn around the ship for the hardware business. And they also been facing this uphill battle for more than a decade, while Nintendo has been having their usual ups and downs but including some massive successes also.

And by the way this is not me cheering for them to drop the hardware business. More choice is good as far as I am concerned. If Sony were the sole competitor on this specific high-end console space it would surely not benefit consumers.
 
Grubb is saying that Microsoft plans to announce their change in strategy at the end of February so unless plans change, we might be waiting a bit for official confirmation.
 
TanookiTom said:
I get where you are coming from, but ultimately if even Starfield didn't move the needle, which of these other games would have realistically?

Comparing it to Nintendo on the WiiU is also not really a fair comparison. While the WiiU sales where obviously dysmal, Nintendo still had an incredibly strong catalogue of IPs, including access to massive multi media franchises such as Pokémon and (at the time at least) the 3DS as well.

For Microsoft the situation is that they face this uphill battle while having to effectively build up IPs. Now that they bought a few massive ones it seems that that also didn't help to turn around the ship.
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MS should try releasing those games. they spent so much money on independent studios and most of them haven't released anything yet. at least Nintendo kept the few Wii U owners fed
 
As someone who has never owned an Xbox, this is only a plus for me, but I can definitely see why people are upset.

At the same time, this feels like something MS was going towards for a while now, so its not too surprising.
 
Christo750 said:


i've always liked Kyle's take on Xbox things. Feels like the writing has been on the wall for Xbox for a long time.

All that said, I'm looking forward to playing Hi-Fi Rush on Switch.
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I like that Kyle's take is more like the "Xbox" brand / name is pretty much destined to fail.
Sure, hindsight is 2020 but if MS didn't planned to take the "Weird 3rd party" way, they might've make a new console or service that is not named "Xbox" at all but something more akin to "Microsoft Gaming".

robertman2 said:
Gears on PS did nearly happen before
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Knowing how CliffyB talked about the memory problems of the 360 (at the time because man did they improve the engine with Gears 2 & 3), knowning that the PS3 had having even less RAM than the 360, comparing the two versions would've been interresting.
 
AegisField said:
I'm trying to understand what benefit this decision has for the Xbox platform.
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It effectively kills the Xbox as a platform, yeah. It could be great for MS in the long run having their games everywhere, but there is no point for consumers to get an Xbox (at least a series X) other than GamePass, a service you can also get on PC.

I'm happy with mine, I play it a lot, and I'm kinda meh on Sony's exclusives so there's no reason for me to get a PS5 but going forward PS will be the way to go. It kind of is right now so imagine in 4/5 years.
 
Koren Lesthe said:
I like that Kyle's take is more like the "Xbox" brand / name is pretty much destined to fail.
Sure, hindsight is 2020 but if MS didn't planned to take the "Weird 3rd party" way, they might've make a new console or service that is not named "Xbox" at all but something more akin to "Microsoft Gaming".
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Trying to rebrand that at this stage is as good as killing your division.
Their best bet is to make streaming devices for their gaming division, honestly.
 
HockeyBird said:
Grubb is saying that Microsoft plans to announce their change in strategy at the end of February so unless plans change, we might be waiting a bit for official confirmation.
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That's literally what that one Discord leaker that's been getting everything right said, hahahaha

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AceBandage said:
Trying to rebrand that at this stage is as good as killing your division.
Their best bet is to make streaming devices for their gaming division, honestly.
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Yeah, I don't see them doing a Sega when they said "The Saturn is not our future" and killed it with the Dreamcast in order to compete with the N64 and the PS1.
 
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touchfuzzy said:
Starfield really was the lynchpin here. No other upcoming exclusive game will even have half the hype that game did, and it failed to deliver or move the needle in the slightest. I guess Elder Scrolls VI would too, but Microsoft isn't gonna sit on their hands for the 5+ years that game has ahead of it in development while their consoles sell like garbage.
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As bad as "it's good, but will this save x" discourse is, it might've been justified with Starfield lol

For all the talk out of Microsoft about being good stewards of ABK, if they'd announced Starfield would hit PS5 back in 2022 people would've been a lot less worried about their acquisitions. Gotta wonder what they were expecting out of it, especially with Game Pass
 
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Waiting until the end of February would be wild at this point. This is only going to get more traction and will cause FUD. If they can they need to fast track that announcement and take back control of the narrative.
 
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