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Kartina said:
So it looks like an October release might be the most probable date for the next switch after the new mochizuki report, a bit later than I expected but I guess we’re gearing up for a march teaser to june big reveal.
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That's my estimate, Q4 release, Q2 potential announcement and reveal blow out (based on the window I was provided.) Q2 was the deadline, which meant to me that the title is going to part of the launch line-up (meaning will be part of the next gen hardware's direct and marketing material was expected.)

Q1 made no sense for a blow out direct given that window on my end. I am confident based on the window that a June direct will focus on the next Switch and the titles we can expect followed by the release in (my expected estimate) November 2024. Just mainly because that is my expected month for a console drop but anytime during Q4 works.

An announcement of the console itself could happen before that direct if Nintendo is keen on finally revealing it publicly. I'm expecting some sort of reveal by Nintendo, I don't feel like they can keep the genie in the lamp for very much longer, just a hunch given the excitement that is brewing.

Tis the season of our imminent victory.
 
I don't think it will happen but it would be a great idea to have a economic Switch 2 only TV for those not interested in playing on the go.

Not my case. Very interested in that huge screen but if they can offer Switch 2 only TV for 250$ it would be great.
 
PedroNavajas said:
The jetson nano has half the gpu cores of a regular tx1.

Source: https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/jetson-nano
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Sure but a cut down version of TX1 isn't the only place this chip was used as.
Which is my reasoning of why Orin and all of its variations makes more sense to use up and down the pipeline for Nvidia products.

Because if we keep discussing R&D costs and how Nintendo might feel or think about extraordinary chip prices, then why have Nvidia make a bespoke custom chip in the first place.

People in general (not you specifically) think that Nintendo are such a cheapskate.
They could have easily used an Orin Nano and called it a day, and that would theoretically been a decent leap over the current Switch...
 
carbvan said:
I wonder if that kills backwards compatibility for switch 1 joycons then? Obviously if the new joycons are bigger, the old ones won't fit in the Switch 2. But if the design is so different it might be possible switch 1 joycons aren't even compatible at all.
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Evil Lucario said:
Even if you wouldn't be able to charge them off the console (which is not always the case), I absolutely bet they could still connect wirelessly.
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darthdiablo said:
TBH that’s not the theory right now. Customs data seems to suggest the same size as Joycons and someone also did a mockup of Joycons with 8 inch screen, it fits
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I think you're all wrong.

One, on size, regarding Darthdiablo's post, the rail seems to be the same size and shape, but the rail element does not have to run the whole length of the side of a device. While Joy-Con could theoretically suit a bezel-less 7.81" device, this just barely isn't the case for 7.91". In all likelihood, they'll be bigger, because that'll make the device look more coherent and improve comfort. What it means though is Joy-Con Rail is almost certainly preserved.

Which brings me to:

Obviously if the new joycons are bigger, the old ones won't fit in the Switch 2. But if the design is so different it might be possible switch 1 joycons aren't even compatible at all.
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But this isn't obvious at all. They can fit into the new system's rail without having to "suit" it. As a backwards compatible system carrying the controllers forward, even if you can't use the new system in handheld mode with the first generation of Joy-Con, they absolutely need to charge. It is ridiculous, unmarketable tripe for Nintendo to suggest you can use your old controllers but you have to keep your old system around to charge them. They probably won't break compatibility wirelessly, so they have to charge, so they have to attach.
 
LiC said:
That article was published at the end of September, a week before the OLED released. We can safely discount the idea that developers either still had a devkit of upgraded hardware from before the OLED plans changed, or had a devkit for some later thing that was still in development after the OLED.
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Didn't Zynga deny the report for the 4k Devkit?
Zynga has denied the report. “To clarify, Zynga does not have a 4K developer kit from Nintendo,” a spokesperson for the company told Kotaku in an email. “As a Switch developer for the upcoming Star Wars: Hunters game that Zynga announced on a recent Nintendo Direct, we can confirm that none of the developer kits Zynga has or is in receipt of are 4K developer kits.”
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kvetcha said:
I always assumed edge-lit. Doesn't seem bright enough to be fully backlit, and edge-lit is more compact.
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this is what I thought as well.

my larger point being, there are a lot of avenues for LCD panels to be much better: local array backlighting, lamination, hdr, etc. and I figure most of these are still cheaper than OLED
 
kvetcha said:
I wouldn’t go that far. 😅

I mean I think something different than even Super Nintendo Switch or Switch Advance. Those feel too backward-looking, and I feel like Nintendo might want to project technological innovation.

This is absolutely without corroboration.
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I kinda hope it isn't the obvious "Nintendo Switch AI".
 
Eos said:
I don't think it will happen but it would be a great idea to have a economic Switch 2 only TV for those not interested in playing on the go.

Not my case. Very interested in that huge screen but if they can offer Switch 2 only TV for 250$ it would be great.
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For consumers? sure. For Nintendo? not at all. (so yeah, won't happen)
 
Meelow said:
The thing is with WUST was our expectations were so over the top being the first HD Nintendo console, and a lot of fake insiders leaking a bunch of fake shit.



Wii U Speculation Thread, which was a huge thing back in 2011-2012: look it up on GAF; it's truly a wild ride.
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Those were the days man.
 
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Concernt said:
"Nintendo Switch AI".
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ILikeFeet said:
this is what I thought as well.

my larger point being, there are a lot of avenues for LCD panels to be much better: local array backlighting, lamination, hdr, etc. and I figure most of these are still cheaper than OLED
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Exactly. The LCD screen used on the Switch is a mediocre budget LCD screen. Not even close to being high end. So there is a ton of room to incorporate a much improved LCD screen with SNG that is a significant upgrade over the LCD display in the Switch. We have to keep in mind that there are around 90-100 million Switch units sold that are the LCD model, most Switch users did not upgrade to the OLED model, so for them it will be nothing short of a big upgrade. The OLED has always been marketed as a "premium" Switch and not the new standard. I love my Switch OLED, and if Nintendo offered an OLED model at launch I would buy it, but I will be perfectly happy with an 8" 1080p LCD screen, as long as its a quality display.

With Nintendo going with an 8" screen, the SNG will be bigger than the Switch making it even less "portable" than the Switch. However, this may end up making a SNG Lite make more sense this time around. Get it down to the size of a PS Vita and they will have something that is truly pocketable. The Lite model will probably always be the least popular model, but there is certainly a market for it. Not to mention that it gives Nintendo the quickest path to a $199 SNG in 2-3 years.
 
LiC said:
There are some theories about an upgraded Switch that could have been planned at some point, but there was never a chip in development that would have provided DLSS as a feature in 2021.
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I was wondering, would it be possible to have a customized version of DLSS (along the lines of "1.9") that would run on the Tegra X1? This way, the extra performance when overclocking Mariko could be spent on DLSS but keeping the pre-upscale game practically the same as the original Switch.
Give the CPU a slight overclock, use the LPDDR4X to its maximum capacity, and maybe adopt 6GB of RAM and you have a Switch PRO.
 
LinkURL said:
I was wondering, would it be possible to have a customized version of DLSS (along the lines of "1.9") that would run on the Tegra X1? This way, the extra performance when overclocking Mariko could be spent on DLSS but keeping the pre-upscale game practically the same as the original Switch.
Give the CPU a slight overclock, use the LPDDR4X to its maximum capacity, and maybe adopt 6GB of RAM and you have a Switch PRO.
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Far fetched imo (the part about DLSS, not the part about OC Mariko).
 
Concernt said:
that's terrifying.

I still expect 7.91" personally, but even still, it's big...
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Seriously, what is this, like how would you even use old Joy-Cons with it? Why would they give the system less form factor in their national games market dominated by portable systems??? Genuinely I don't see the system and screen being any bigger than the OLED
 
Goodtwin said:
Exactly. The LCD screen used on the Switch is a mediocre budget LCD screen. Not even close to being high end. So there is a ton of room to incorporate a much improved LCD screen with SNG that is a significant upgrade over the LCD display in the Switch. We have to keep in mind that there are around 90-100 million Switch units sold that are the LCD model, most Switch users did not upgrade to the OLED model, so for them it will be nothing short of a big upgrade. The OLED has always been marketed as a "premium" Switch and not the new standard. I love my Switch OLED, and if Nintendo offered an OLED model at launch I would buy it, but I will be perfectly happy with an 8" 1080p LCD screen, as long as its a quality display.

With Nintendo going with an 8" screen, the SNG will be bigger than the Switch making it even less "portable" than the Switch. However, this may end up making a SNG Lite make more sense this time around. Get it down to the size of a PS Vita and they will have something that is truly pocketable. The Lite model will probably always be the least popular model, but there is certainly a market for it. Not to mention that it gives Nintendo the quickest path to a $199 SNG in 2-3 years.
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On the matter of a next gen Lite, three things come to mind:

Node shrinking from 4N is a lot harder than 20nm MOSFET, if I'm not mistaken, but someone better informed please correct me there.

But T239 on 4N would already be smaller than the Tetra X1+ of the Lite, so the size constraints would come from thermals and battery capacity.

Furthermore, Lite is meant to be the cheapest in the line. Vita's launch design was frankly extremely premium, as well as compact.

I think the next generation Lite could be smaller than the current Lite, as a smaller SOC and a smaller motherboard, a smaller cooling system (as Nintendo has patented) and smaller bezels should allow this to be the case, without putting too much of a dent in battery life. But I wouldn't expect it to be MUCH smaller, even if I think that would be neat.

Maybe they could go with a clamshell design and stack the embedded controllers on top of the other components to get it down to 3DS XL size, with the sacrifice of being thicker to fit an appropriate battery.
 
LiC said:
There are some theories about an upgraded Switch that could have been planned at some point, but there was never a chip in development that would have provided DLSS as a feature in 2021.
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The reporting on the Switch Pro were inaccurate. There is reason to believe when looking into the OLED model that Nintendo very well may have considered a Mariko based Pro/NEW model, but it would never have featured DLSS and any 4K games would have been limited to the simplest of 2D games. The only thing that makes sense to me is the information surrounding the Pro model was conflated with leaked info surrounding T239, leading some journalist to assume that they were one in the same but that was not the case. So there was likely a Pro model that was indeed canceled, but the 4K DLSS Pro model that was being reported most likely never existed.
 
LinkURL said:
I believe it would be possible to maintain the current form factor with a 7.9" screen by only increasing the horizontal dimension of the tablet, we would only need really thin edges.
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I don't believe that this is the case, the bezels wouldn't need to be merely tiny, they would have to be nonexistent, and that's not realistically possible. However, with tiny bezels, even a 7.91" display should hopefully mean the device doesn't get much bigger, modern LCD panels (...or the LGG6) have truly miniscule bezels.
 
Goodtwin said:
I love my Switch OLED, and if Nintendo offered an OLED model at launch I would buy it, but I will be perfectly happy with an 8" 1080p LCD screen, as long as its a quality display.
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I know Apple is switching the iPad Pro to OLED this year (reportedly resulting in a big price bump), but the existing Pro's Mini-LED screen is spectacular. Anything even close to that display and people would not be complaining.
 
disregard...it's not technically inaccurate, they increased the screen size by the correct ratio...but the original screen size relative the joycon size is not the true ratio (I think?). So it looks a bit more extreme.
 
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I'll requote these mockups and size comparisons since these are the only ones I can find in this thread that include an 8 inch / 7.91 inch screen.
mjayer said:
Here's my contribution... more rough (and 8" not 7.9.. oops)

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Serif said:
I remember there being mockups in this thread about how the ~8 inch screen could look, I found @mjayer's work and I think this could be a realistic amount of bezel to expect.

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This is how the PS Portal compares to the Steam Deck and ROG Ally.
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Langstonboy said:
Yeah, that’s massive, but again, many children use tablets that are this big all the time and don’t have a problem with them. But idk about the Japanese market.
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Tablets are a enterily different thing, they aren‘t really comparable, you don‘t hold them like a handheld. A handheld PC like Steam Deck or ROG Alley would be a better comparison.
 
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Concernt said:
that's terrifying.

I still expect 7.91" personally, but even still, it's big...
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Gamer_G said:
Seriously, what is this, like how would you even use old Joy-Cons with it? Why would they give the system less form factor in their national games market dominated by portable systems??? Genuinely I don't see the system and screen being any bigger than the OLED
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Darknut85 said:
That‘s cruel. I hope the screen isn‘t bigger than 7.5 inch. If it‘s that big there‘ll be quite a backlash in JP.
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Just to be extra clear, the Joy-Cons are still accurately to scale in this picture. The OG Switch screen was just that small with all the bezel.

A 7.91" screen could likely just get away with the OG Joy-Cons, though I'd question the ruggedness of the device. Nintendo hasn't really made any screens prone to shattering upon a drop before.
 
Hosermess said:
isn't this inaccurate/wrong?
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I cannot say what/why, but that comparison doesn't look right to me.

Either way, it's poorly made. Switch 1 Joycons in there makes it confusing. I know 6.2" to 8" is a big jump, but that looks like too big of a jump to me? And also, there's thin gray bars on left and right sides of screen, is that part or not part of the screen?

Serif said:
I'll requote these mockups and size comparisons since these are the only ones I can find in this thread that include an 8 inch / 7.91 inch screen.
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Thanks, that's exactly what I was remembering (someone did an excellent mockup of hypothetical Switch 2 model with 8" screen)

I guess I didn't realize how much non-display space there was between the Joycon part and the actual display borders in Switch 1. Plenty of room for bigger screens with smaller bevels to expand into.
 
darthdiablo said:
I cannot say what/why, but that comparison doesn't look right to me.

Either way, it's poorly made. Switch 1 Joycons in there makes it confusing. I know 6.2" to 8" is a big jump, but that looks like too big of a jump to me? And also, there's thin gray bars on left and right sides of screen, is that part or not part of the screen?
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It looks about right.
 
since Game Cube, Nintendo usually use the Legend of Zelda franchise as short of a tech demos for it next consoles, could we expect a Legend of Zelda tech demo(like the Twilight Princess Wii U tech demos) for Switch sucessor?
 
Jersh said:
Just to be extra clear, the Joy-Cons are still accurately to scale in this picture. The OG Switch screen was just that small with all the bezel.

A 7.91" screen could likely just get away with the OG Joy-Cons, though I'd question the ruggedness of the device. Nintendo hasn't really made any screens prone to shattering upon a drop before.
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That wouldn't require minimal bezels, that would require 0, which is impossible (especially with LCD). That and the durability concerns definitely makes me think we'll see a device that is larger, though not monstrously so.

The original Joy-Con would... Kind of maybe fit, but it would need a taper, albeit a small one, like the Orion screen. I don't think Nintendo would like that, it just doesn't look great, and a new generation (almost always) means new controllers. I don't see why they wouldn't use that to design controllers that fit the new system better.
 
Cerlinho said:
I"m really curious about the name now. I still don't even have faith that they will use "Switch" as the main name again
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The insiders do not know the retail name of Switch 2, they know the code name.

It’s not being shared because it isn’t relevant and makes spotting fake leaks easier if they cite a wrong code name.
 
Concernt said:
That wouldn't require minimal bezels, that would require 0, which is impossible (especially with LCD). That and the durability concerns definitely makes me think we'll see a device that is larger, though not monstrously so.

The original Joy-Con would... Kind of maybe fit, but it would need a taper, albeit a small one, like the Orion screen, and I don't think Nintendo would like that, it just doesn't look great, and a new generation (almost always) means new controllers, I don't see why they wouldn't use that to design controllers that fit the new system better.
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I agree, who would want to use drifting Switch Joy-Cons for NG.
 
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