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Serious Lady Emily accuses Chuggaconroy of sexual harassment

I really don't know either of them well enough to have an informed opinion on this but I'm inclined to believe the person coming out with the story. 🤷
 
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Mekanos said:
Adults with neurodivergence and other similar issues are responsible for their own behavior. You’re not going to convince me otherwise.
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no one said they're not responsible. i've spent 20 years, ever since i got basic understanding at like 6 or something, to keep being better and take responsibility for everything i say and do. years of daily social analysis and noting things down and practicing and working through the hell of it never being enough for people who learned it all naturally

giving context is not ever deflecting responsibility or invalidating a victim's experience in any way

you yourself are however trying to invalidate our experiences though with "but i never had that problem", like im sure you realize thats just being discriminatory with extra steps.
 
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you yourself are however trying to invalidate our experiences though with "but i never had that problem", like im sure you realize thats just being discriminatory with extra steps.
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You’re assuming a lot and saying things I didn’t say. So I’ll make this clear:

Every time a man acts inappropriately to a woman, there’s a reason parlayed around as to why. It’s never about how the woman felt receiving the harassment, it’s about how the man didn’t understand the social cues, or maybe he was depressed, or maybe she said the wrong thing. You never hear this story the other way about autistic women saying the wrong thing to men. Men get so much leniency on social awkwardness as a cover for inappropriate behavior, and it’s frankly bullshit.
 
seems fine to offer his place on spectrum as context here, as long as the harm caused isn't disputed. that said, some of the responses out there sure are eager to immediately interpret this as generously as possible
 
SlumWolf said:
seems fine to offer his place on spectrum as context here, as long as the harm caused isn't disputed. that said, some of the responses out there sure are eager to immediately interpret this as generously as possible
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Agreed.

I had a friend doxxed by an influencer.

Influencers shouldn't get off easy.
 
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Speaking as somebody with autism and ADHD, I think both things can be true. Chugga's autism can make it hard for him to pick up on things - especially through text - but what he did and said can also be really fuckin' gross. He maybe didn't realize he overstepped, but he still said everything. I think it's hard to make a call on his intent without hearing both sides of the story. To be clear, this doesn't absolve Chugga of anything, but I'd rather wait and know for 100% that this was a malicious act rather than tear him down before we hear a word from him. The intent also shouldn't take away from the things he said, nor should Lady Emily's words and screenshots be ignored or brushed aside in the meantime.

Granted, Emile having a bigger platform does make it tricky, but still.
 
lattjeful said:
Speaking as somebody with autism and ADHD, I think both things can be true. Chugga's autism can make it hard for him to pick up on things - especially through text - but what he did and said can also be really fuckin' gross. He maybe didn't realize he overstepped, but he still said everything. I think it's hard to make a call on his intent without hearing both sides of the story. To be clear, this doesn't absolve Chugga of anything, but I'd rather wait and know for 100% that this was a malicious act rather than tear him down before we hear a word from him. The intent also shouldn't take away from the things he said, nor should Lady Emily's words and screenshots be ignored or brushed aside in the meantime.

Granted, Emile having a bigger platform does make it tricky, but still.
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I mean without pretending to be an expert on anything, Emily still said 'no', it can't really get clearer than that. Maybe there's more to this/missing context but it doesn't really look great for Chugga.
 
What a terrible day to have functioning eyeballs.

Welp I certainly didn't like reading any of this. Apparently I missed a lot of sketchy stuff on The Run Away Guys and live shows too.

I've long since given up on expecting youtubers or any popular figures to not do some bad stuff behind closed doors. They aren't people you know after all. But this one stings. Was far and away my favourite lets player. Short of an impersonator (who also knows a friend's address?? not likely) this is super uncomfortable.
 
AstroOhHey said:
I mean without pretending to be an expert on anything, Emily still said 'no', it can't really get clearer than that. Maybe there's more to this/missing context but it doesn't really look great for Chugga.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I agree. Moreso just weighing in on the ongoing debate about his intent and his neurodivergence and all that. I think it can provide context, but it doesn't excuse his behavior or actions.
 
As an autistic person myself, I would like to give him some BotD and say an in-depth apology + a commitment to being better would be enough... if it weren't for the whole thing about mailing shit to people. That's an insanely shitty breach of personal space. And that's not even getting into how much he's let his fetish bleed into his public-facing content and how irresponsible/downright creepy that is given that he doubtlessly has a lot of younger viewers.
 
Paxie said:
As an autistic person myself, I would like to give him some BotD and say an in-depth apology + a commitment to being better would be enough... if it weren't for the whole thing about mailing shit to people. That's an insanely shitty breach of personal space. And that's not even getting into how much he's let his fetish bleed into his public-facing content and how irresponsible/downright creepy that is given that he doubtlessly has a lot of younger viewers.
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From my understanding, him sending gifts to his friends is not a new thing.
 
xaszatm said:
I’m sorry but why is it Lady Emily’s job to try and reconnect with Chugga? Why is it on her to feel uncomfortable after months of messages?
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I'm not seeing anything within the chain saying Emily has to reconnect. Just that Chugga attempts to do so.
 
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small update on the situation, someone asked NCS (one of Chugga's longtime friends and happens to live with him) about if Emile will respond, this is what Tim said.

So Emile is fully aware of the situation, based on the "torn up about it" part, it seems to imply that he's very remorseful about the situation but it's unclear if he genuinely means it or not.

And it’s also unclear if he’ll respond or how he’ll respond.

(if you want me to be honest, the best case scenario here is that he just owns up to it and behind the scenes, just works to make things right and just rework his life for most of 2024. And that he doesn’t make a garbage response like Colleen or Jirard like someone in his fan subreddit said.)
 
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EvilChameleon said:
Boy, NintendoCapriSun, there's another name I haven't heard in a while.
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well he's like the most low profile out of the well known LP trio (Tim, Emile, and Jon).

And he's basically the best person to ask and get updates from since he lives with Emile.
 
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Chugga has given a brief apology and expressed the intent to discuss more in a couple of days as he collects his thoughts.
 
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NCS retweeted this cringe tweet thread lmao

honestly while i get that NCS is his literal roommate and all, this thread would be the last thing i'd consider RTing, it's just stupid victim blaming and an awful take only made because heaven forbid people learn that their creators can be do bad things and this just reeks of copium
 
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Some of the takes about the apology seem overly cynical. He didn't run from this for weeks like so many others, he owned up and apologized the same day as the allegation came out. Nobody should immediately forgive him, but lets at least give him the chance to fully respond before we try and argue if he's sincere or not with regret for what he's done.
 
BassForever said:
Some of the takes about the apology seem overly cynical. He didn't run from this for weeks like so many others, he owned up and apologized the same day as the allegation came out. Nobody should immediately forgive him, but lets at least give him the chance to fully respond before we try and argue if he's sincere or not with regret for what he's done.
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Yeah owning up to it is a start, now he just needs to give an explanation that isn't denying or doubling down like many other people have done.
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I'm sorry, but can we go through this thread without defending Chugga, even marginally?
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There's a thing called letting the accused give a side and then determining if they're completely bullshitting or whatever gibberish they're decides to spout instead of dismissing everything and saying/acting with "GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!" with no exceptions.

If Emile here is just giving another garbage response like what Colleen, Jirard, and Dream did then there's no defending him and should just fuck off permanently. Simple as that.
 
ZephyrPhoenix said:
Yeah owning up to it is a start, now he just needs to give an explanation that isn't denying or doubling down.

There's a thing called letting the accused give a side and then determining if he's completely bullshitting or whatever gibberish he decides to spout instead of dismissing everything and saying/acting with "GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!" with no exceptions.

If he's just giving another garbage response like what Colleen, Jirard, and Dream did then there's no defending him.
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He is most definitely guilty and too many influencers bounce off of stuff like this as it is.
 
merp said:
He is most definitely guilty and too many influencers bounce off of stuff like this as it is.
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Believe women (unless its a wholesome internet video game man I like)!

Seriously, people always ask why more women don't come forward with experiences like this. LadyEmily did, with tons of proof, and people act like absolute shitheels about it.
 
It should be noted that long "here's why you should be skeptical" thread has been deleted, unless it's just Twitter being shit as is often the case these days.
 
BassForever said:
Some of the takes about the apology seem overly cynical. He didn't run from this for weeks like so many others, he owned up and apologized the same day as the allegation came out. Nobody should immediately forgive him, but lets at least give him the chance to fully respond before we try and argue if he's sincere or not with regret for what he's done.
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I don’t really think it’s anybody place to decide whether or not Chugga’s statement (and future apology) is valid besides Lady Emily and the other women he’s done this to, honestly.
Speaking of, Lady Emily made a little response of her own.
 
Overhearing about all of this doesn't surprise me one bit. I've seen disgusting behavior of him besides this.
I can't forget a time where I was ganged up on in a Discord server (with one of the server mods telling me to shut up and threatened to give me a "strike") over assuming this YouTuber was a zoophile for saying sexual slangs about animals on his Elephant Daisy tweet.

It's sadly unbelievable that some people out there turn out to be disgusting scums.
Regardless at the same time, I really don't got much words to say about this.
 
If you see a story like this and your first instinct is to try to provide "context", please take a moment and consider why you're doing that. Did anyone ask for context? Was the situation ambiguous and required clarification? If the answer to both of those questions is "no", it's possible you're not giving context, you're giving excuses.
ZephyrPhoenix said:
There's a thing called letting the accused give a side and then determining if they're completely bullshitting or whatever gibberish they're decides to spout instead of dismissing everything and saying/acting with "GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!" with no exceptions.
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This isn't a court of law. I'm very interested to hear what "the accused" could say in this situation that would make you think it's okay.
 
VitalitySensor said:
I don’t really think it’s anybody place to decide whether or not Chugga’s statement (and future apology) is valid besides Lady Emily and the other women he’s done this to, honestly.
Speaking of, Lady Emily made a little response of her own.
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So it seems like she wasn't not the only instance. Sigh, best thing to hope is that he fully grows from this. Unlike most YTubers I've seen with allegations going towards them for whatever, he didn't wait for like a day or weeks to make a response and didn't try to deny it or whatever, and instead owned up to it and admitted he overstepped his boundaries. That's the only silver lining which isn't really much.
 
VitalitySensor said:
I don’t really think it’s anybody place to decide whether or not Chugga’s statement (and future apology) is valid besides Lady Emily and the other women he’s done this to, honestly.
Speaking of, Lady Emily made a little response of her own.
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Sure, I also don't think the victims in general have to ever forgive Chugga regardless of how valid or sincere his apology and actions are going forward. Similarly, any of his fans who can no longer enjoy his work for what he did are also valid. I say this as someone who unsubscribed after Lady Emily's original tweets. I hope Chugga will continue to own up to what he did, apologize for his actions, and seek help to improve himself. I also hope the victims are able to heal.
 
It never is the only instance.

If this was done at such a degree as this? Then it is far away from being the "only instance."

I think some are being just a bit naive in how much YouTubers and influencers can get away with for a long time and the reason for why people like us react the way we do to these incidents when they finally arise.

'Cause I can tell you this comes from my own experiences with people like this myself.

DreamyMystX64 said:
Overhearing about all of this doesn't surprise me one bit. I've seen disgusting behavior of him besides this.
I can't forget a time where I was ganged up on in a Discord server (with one of the server mods telling me to shut up and threatened to give me a "strike") over assuming this YouTuber was a zoophile for saying sexual slangs about animals on his Elephant Daisy tweet.

It's sadly unbelievable that some people out there turn out to be disgusting scums.
Regardless at the same time, I really don't got much words to say about this.
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That's a pity. Seems you learned earlier than most. :(
 
Paxie said:
As an autistic person myself, I would like to give him some BotD and say an in-depth apology + a commitment to being better would be enough... if it weren't for the whole thing about mailing shit to people. That's an insanely shitty breach of personal space. And that's not even getting into how much he's let his fetish bleed into his public-facing content and how irresponsible/downright creepy that is given that he doubtlessly has a lot of younger viewers.
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Emily has a PO box and provided it and the shoe size.

Mailing things, of it is communicated that it's acceptable (which was implied by providing those information) is fine.
I have send stuff to friends and received stuff, so there are implied social arrangements where it's fine without asking.
Here the stuff after that is the problem, not so much the sending itself.
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In regards to Irresponsible to let your fetishes bleed into your content:
I disagree here, as long as it's not explicit, and promotes unsafe/unsolicited/unconsentual topics.

Is a man talks about liking big breasts or big buts it never was a problem, even if it's context for young audiences, so taking other preferences into account should just as much be fine, and shielding young people from sexuality as a whole doesn't seem a) reasonable, and b) healthy.

Puritanism leads to more abuse (lack of understanding/shame about ones own sexuality, unease to talk to others), and sexuality does not start with 18.

(Assuming we're not talking like 6-8 year olds and more like 11-16 as young audience)
Ind you, I'm not talking sexual content, or explicit content (even verbally), but in an audience appropriate language I don't see a problem in communicating some aspects.

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I like Emily's response. Not holding it as a grudge, trying to go forward on a positive note ("hope you grow"), but keeping it skeptical since the framing is not quite there and more things need to be addressed.
 
EvilChameleon said:
It should be noted that long "here's why you should be skeptical" thread has been deleted, unless it's just Twitter being shit as is often the case these days.
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It's gone. I'd say good riddance, but I feel like people running cover for sexual harassers to the point they write a long tweet thread exonerating them shouldn't just get to delete it and pretend nothing happened. Oh well.
 
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