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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)
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CalmMind
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Those are some good odds. I'm convinced.
SoldierDelta
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No dock sounds very silly unless Nintendo wants it to be a handheld exclusive console... which contradicts literally everything we know about the damn thing. It could be connection via wireless dongle, but that's also dumb and still disables any potential to add additional power while docked.
Idk, I'm not into this one.
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Then by that assumption, the reveal should be imminent and idk about that. Ill be glad to be wrong
darthdiablo
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That would be even worse - having stock completely run out way before release of successor.
I think part of it, other than what Concernt mentioned, is Nintendo might be trying to meet the 15m sales number forecast (and they're not there yet).
CalmMind
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Or it's just right and these so-called reputable reports are all wrong. I'm more inclined to follow the money.
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I don’t see how a three-month marketing cycle for a new generation platform is realistic. Even Chad said their chatter was more speculation.
They come from actually reputable reporters in the gaming industry with industry sources backing them up, so I’m more inclined to believe them.
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Feedback are intended as more like taps on the shoulder rather than official warnings. They don't really "pile up", they're intended more as reminders of rules or intent, as I understand it.
That said, I am glad this thread is back on topic.
Even without an announcement, there are credible reports that production/assembly begins soon, and there's usually leaks.
That said, Nintendo specifically announces systems along with the start of assembly to AVOID leaks, so I dare be hopeful for next week.
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The irony is the "reports" are production this year, aiming for early next year, so.
That's interesting.
darthdiablo
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They're reporting rumors. 2024-H2 is a "rumor", not a "report". You labeled H2 as "report" which was inaccurate.
Exactly, lol.
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I’m pretty sure the more reputable gaming news sites only mentioned production in the sense that Nintendo was waiting until the back half of 2024 to ensure ample stock, which implies that production will begin much earlier.
If they specifically mentioned when production would start, everyone on social media would’ve been talking about it. Most of the chatter on that front is isolated to here.
Something like a 3D Mario or Zelda would benefit. Games with dynamic lightning conditions, and a user controlled camera.
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I wanted to bring up two other things that are a bit weird now.
1. Capcom just got done with their TGS 2023 show, yet they didn't show anything new, despite the fact they have an unannounced game expected to sell "millions" by the "end of March 2024."
They seem to be going all out with Monster Hunter stuff currently for its 20th Anniversary, which they say will be celebrated on March 11th.
Capcom planning to release game ‘which will sell millions’ by end of March 2024
Bloomberg journalist Takashi Mochizuki says that Capcom is planning to announce a new game which the company is assured to sell millions of copies of by March 2024. It is not clear which franchise the…mynintendonews.com
Since Monster Hunter is a Nintendo timed exclusive IF this unannounced game is Monster Hunter, them saving it to reveal when Nintendo reveals their next generation makes a ton of sense. They don't have much time to announce it and then release it. Announcing it at TGA is completely possible, but it would be weird since that would only give it a 3-month marketing campaign.
Edit: Monster Hunter portable games seemingly are timed exclusive. Numbered games are still multi-platform. Either way, it would be weird to announce it at TGA and only have a 3-month marketing campaign when Rise got 7 months' worth of marketing before release. It's weird for them to set up such an announcement at their TGS show without... actually announcing anything.
Edit 2 (the sequel): https://famiboards.com/threads/futu...ts-before-commenting.55/page-1718#post-837333
There is apparently no evidence that Capcom will release a game that'll sell "millions" by the end of March 2024.
A reveal is completely possible, though a release is not likely at all. The person who claimed this is most likely mistaken.
It could be a Switch 2 game, though nothing suggests the absence of any new announcements at TGS is directly related to a new hardware reveal.
2. Nintendo Live is apparently happening in Hong Kong and Taipei. They announced it last night in such short notice.
It's happening in Hong Kong on November 11th - 12th
It's happening in Taipei on November 25th - 26th
Very weird timing, considering that after WarioWare, their releases only consist of remakes beyond the Peach game, which isn't launching for another 5 months. They could very well have something before both of these dates. It seems weird to me to do this at all if they weren't going to have something around this time.
Capcom says it has a ‘major unannounced title’ planned before March ’24 | VGC
The unknown game will release during its current fiscal year…
www.videogameschronicle.com
Seems like the Bloomberg person was correct about a major Capcom game releasing by the end of the FY.
very not reliable
TomNookYankees
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HDMI port directly on the device?
No i dont know how they would manage to fit it on the device without making it monstrously huge.
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Yeah, it's very much not happening before Fall 2024 at the earliest.
It's just dead silent before the speculated November 6th reveal.
Maybe they briefly mention it to investors in November and say "it's coming next holiday" but that's as much as we'll get in November.
And since it's not going to be shown in November, it's probably not coming before Q3 and July and August would be really weird to launch consoles in.
So it's Fall (at the earliest).
It's just dead silent before the speculated November 6th reveal.
Maybe they briefly mention it to investors in November and say "it's coming next holiday" but that's as much as we'll get in November.
And since it's not going to be shown in November, it's probably not coming before Q3 and July and August would be really weird to launch consoles in.
So it's Fall (at the earliest).
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Giancarlo
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Nintendo will keep using the hybrid format for it consoles,until they found another huge concept for use in it consoles, at least 3/4 generations for hybrid format on it consoles
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Although I don't think this really reveals anything about Drake, I still find what gamma0burst found rather interesting.
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Wait, the March Capcom game is real? I can’t remember any rumor that has been tried to be debunked more than that one.
I’m still not giving up on a March release for Switch 2until November has passed without announcement, personally.
And it’s hard to take any rumour seriously if they say that Switch will drop the dock. Redesign sure, but I can’t imagine no dock.
I’m still not giving up on a March release for Switch 2until November has passed without announcement, personally.
And it’s hard to take any rumour seriously if they say that Switch will drop the dock. Redesign sure, but I can’t imagine no dock.
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Why are we still posting these random twitter users they are just looking for clout and we are giving them that.
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Yeah, DLSS's performance cost is the same for resolution X, no matter what the scaling factor is. Converting 720p->1080p will take the same amount of time to go from 360p->1080p.
2ms would be a miracle. I've seen some benchmarks suggesting 20ms.
If we assume that docked is roughly twice handheld, then we should also assume that the target res is roughly 2x. 1080p in handheld would be pushing 1440p in docked. 20ms to 4k would be 10ms to 1440p, which would be just inside the line for a 60fps experience. Sub 8ms for 1440p would be great.
DLSS works by using AI to make a decision for every pixel in the final image. So the input resolution doesn't matter, only the output resolution, and performance should scale with resolution. So 1080p should take roughly half the time of 4k. Which is roughly what you see in official benchmarks.
FSR basically only makes decisions about the pixels it needs to fill in. That's why FSR performance changes with the scaling mode, not the resolution. On FSR, 720p->1080p is faster than 540p-1080p. On DLSS, those two things are the same.
The DLSS approach produces better results, and makes it simpler to target an output resolution, and you drop the input resolution till you get there. The FSR approach is generally cheaper, and makes it easy to do "light" upscaling. With DLSS, 2x upscaling is kinda expensive, but it's also so good it's basically the same as native, so (on PC anyway) it's basically free performance for no drawbacks.
With FSR, 2x doesn't look as good, but it's so cheap, that you can throw it on top of an image that is already pushing the limits. It won't look as good as native, but it's cheap enough that it's basically free resolution.
Yeah. The only documented change to the tensor core itself is a AI research feature that was already present in the datacenter GPUs that was placed in the consumer ones. Remember, data scientists are buying 4090s and never playing games on them.
Ignore Nvidia's marketing, they'll say misleading things like "2x the performance", but that's not from improvements to the tensor core itself. It's just that the 4090 is so much bigger than a 3090, and clocked so much higher, that it's a 2x increase across the board. That's not the design of the GPU, it's the node.
He got Covid. He's doing alright, but he took himself all but some minor admin at DF.
Also, DF has had a wave of time sensitive content, so I suspect the video would be queued up until all that stuff was out first anyway.
There is a lot of support for DisplayPort in T239 for it not to physically connect to a display. Not sure what you mean by additional power - it's gotta plug in to charge somehow. But I don't think it's really viable to have the dock add performance. There is no indication of that in the leak, and the technical complexity is very high.
darthdiablo
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I don’t think March Capcom game has ever really been debunked other than claims there was a mistranslation.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I must apologize to Bloomberg reporter (even though I still have no idea what Capcom is doing here. Maybe it's something semi small like X9 that can be announced at TGA and released in March or shadow dropped? An X9 shadowdrop at TGA I guess could make sense?)
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It’s not releasing a 2025, that much is certain. I’d probably say August if we’re really lucky & November in the absolute worst-case scenario. But considering that Pokémon usually comes out in November, I’d imagine that Nintendo will want to release the Switch 2 earlier.
So yeah, a release in September or October 2024 makes the most sense based on everything we know.
SoldierDelta
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What I meant was that, in handheld mode, it would need to underclock for both user comfort and battery life. When docked, neither is needed. I think that's how the Switch 1 worked (If I'm wrong here, pls correct me).
It needs a dock or a charging station or whatever in order to run at a slightly higher capacity, so no dock makes no sense imo. If I'm incredibly off-base here, I really want to be corrected. I just thought it didn't make sense for the Switch 2 to not have a dock outright.
darthdiablo
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While I agree in general we shouldn’t share random tweets with no known (or bad) history, sometimes if certain (tangible) particulars were shared mixed with bad information, the tangibles can be checked out and lead to other discoveries.
Like how a tweet from unreliable Connor led us to customs lookup websites, to discovery of Carpa devkits and possibly others (CKUI, IWOH) although we are less sure about those, we cannot rule those out yet.
Nearly always there’s nothing worthwhile to explore in unreliable tweets because there aren’t any tangible to check out like Connor’s “SEC8N confirmed” tweet. We lucked on that bad tweet
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lemonfresh
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March capcom game and switch 2 have no correlation other than people's wet dreams so why is it even bring discussed here, at least disccus it in the software thread lol, but it still might not come to switch 2. Capcom has seen ton of success without nintendo especially sf6 sales recently so they might not be in a rush to put thier games on Nintendo
It's me. I bring all the hate.
BTW this thread is STILL going on about offtopic things.
I was told it is specifically about hardware.
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Ah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I don't see how it would run dockless. What the dock does now is 1) connect to the TV, 2) connect to the power, 3) make sure that the vents on the Switch are uncovered so that the fan can adequately cool the machine.
It's the tablet part of the Switch that does all the work of clocking higher, but it's the dock that makes it safe, by ensuring that the system isn't bleeding battery life, and isn't propped up on a table somewhere, unable to vent all the extra heat.
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Yeah, I get how I made my thoughts come out as nonsense, thanks.
The Dock is essentially how the Switch works as a hybrid console. Take that away, and you've just got a powerful (albeit underclocked to make sure you don't have the power of the sun in the palm of your hands) handheld designed for gaming. It's just hard to believe that they'd remove that, especially since I don't think anyone here knows how they'd do it.
CalmMind
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In no conceivable universe is MegaMan X9 a major release.
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I'm a believer in the reality that Capcom is going to port every game released within the last 5 years and the intern's cat onto the Switch 2 within the year it releases, but it's pretty much pointless to speculate on something that hasn't come to be yet. Is it possible that whatever the hypothetical title is will be a day one title on the Switch 2? Idk, maybe, but it's kinda pointless to think about it in the same vein as speculating what other games will come to the handheld day one.
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thats the most nintendo thing i heard about the switch 2 lol the no dock part
SiG
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I'm inclined to believe this is the direction they're heading.
But nobody likes to think about it.
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If Capcom defines major as >1m sold, it might.
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I just don't think it makes a ton of sense. It's not that you couldn't do it, but you'd either need a connector dangling off of your TV or a (probably expensive) wireless video adapter of some kind. Or I guess it could not be a hybrid at all, but that doesn't seem like a possiblilty
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I'm thinking that the Miracast solution they've been experimenting with the Wii U is something they're likely to build upon.
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darthdiablo
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The ports (for power and HDMI) is going to get worn out if one constantly switches between handheld and “docked” modes. Worn out ports would be terrible customer experience (having to get in touch with support for repair on main unit rather than just dock replacement)
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on one hand I'm not 100% beliving this on the other hand I would love to be right about Super Nintendo Switch name
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Convinience and the having no need for a dedicated screen. Imagine being able to project you game onto any display, including your own PC or tablet, without requiring any additional hardware.
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Wow. Really?
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Which is telling because the OLED is meant to phase out the OG. Granted, the OLED is also more expensive to manufacture, plus warehouse costs.
If anything, right now, Nintendo could be estimating how much free supply chain abd warehouse space they have in order to better forecast how much they can use for next gen
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It's not like the docks are expensive to manufacture, they're essentially just pieces of plastic. And streaming such a high quality image wirelessly... I haven't run the numbers or anything, but I imagine that would have quite a bit of latency and be bad for battery life. You could have a designated spot for the Switch to charge while it does this, but then you've basically invented a dock for your dockless Switch
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can someone smarter than me explain how this is connected to the next switch?
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