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StarTopic Nintendo Switch 2 Speculation Thread |ST| The Future is Probably a Year From Now

How confident are you that one year from now (April 2nd, 2025) you will own a Switch 2 system?

  • Absolutely

    Votes: 192 57.8%

  • No because scalpers will kill my chances

    Votes: 39 11.7%

  • I hope so, but it is probably farther out

    Votes: 50 15.1%

  • Team second half 2025

    Votes: 24 7.2%

  • Josh, please stop it

    Votes: 27 8.1%
  • Total voters
    332
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qwerp said:
like how wii fit was a new ip, sure. Im not down playing it, but come on. When people say, "we want new nintendo IPs", they don't mean a new fitness game franchise.
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The problem is that when people say "we want a new IP", literally everything doesn't count unless it is a traditional single player-focused game internally developed by EPD.
Ring Fit? Fitness game, it doesn't count.
ARMS? Multiplayer-focused, it doesn't count.
Labo? Casual, weird, it doesn't count.
Sushi Strikers? Not a "real" game, it doesn't count.
Astral Chain? It's by Platinum, so it doesn't count, otherwise we would have to count Vanquish and Nier Automata as Nintendo games (<- actual argument I heard)

And in the past few gens:
Splatoon? ... We have to count it 'cuz it's too big, too popular, but it doesn't really count.
Wii Sports/Play/Fit/Music? Casual shit, they don't count.
Brain Training? Another casual game, it doesn't count.
Rhythm Heaven? Lol a rhythm game, it doesn't count.
Xenoblade? It's not a proper Nintendo game, it doesn't count.
Dillon/Pusmo/Pullblox? What are they? Obviously they don't count.

So "Nintendo should make a new IP" should actually be read as "Nintendo EPD should make a new IP in the vein of Mario and Zelda". And fair enough, nothing wrong in wanting something following Mario and Zelda style (and even yet, Splatoon single player modes and DLCs are very very close to this kind of new IP), but:
a) this is very subjective. Why do Mario and Zelda count, and ARMS and Rhythm Heaven do not?
b) it doesn't make any sense to recognize Kirby, FE and Pokémon as Nintendo games but then splitting the hairs for Xenoblade and Astral Chain. Either we are always talking of internally-developed games, or we are using "Nintendo game" for everything produced by Nintendo;
b) Mario and Zelda are 30-year old series, it's only natural that more recent IPs gather to different tastes


As a fan of internal EPD games, I'm personally very happy with the new IPs we got on Switch. Ring Fit, Labo (the 3rd game has a mini open world which is very fun, even without the cardboard) and Sushi Strikers were good games with an unique personality.
 
John Omaha said:
This is why I prefer to talk about 'new franchises' or 'series' rather than 'new IP.' I feel that when people say they want Nintendo to work on new IP, they usually mean games that can be iterated upon in the long term and (hopefully) carry their fanbase forward to future consoles, not games that are built around a specific peripheral. This is what separates new IPs like Wii Fit or Labo from the likes of Splatoon.

Ring Fit is certainly a highly successful new IP, but does it have franchise potential?
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To be fair I don’t think it needs to worry around about being built around a specific peripheral to become a franchise. The possible inclusion of the Camera feature on the switch 2, could add more depth to make it franchise worthy. Whilst still using the parts that come with the game. They could even add dlc with different attachments if they really wanted to.

So yes Ring fit does have franchise potential.
 
Gingerbread Man said:
The problem is that when people say "we want a new IP", literally everything doesn't count unless it is a traditional single player-focused game internally developed by EPD.
Ring Fit? Fitness game, it doesn't count.
ARMS? Multiplayer-focused, it doesn't count.
Labo? Casual, weird, it doesn't count.
Sushi Strikers? Not a "real" game, it doesn't count.
Astral Chain? It's by Platinum, so it doesn't count, otherwise we would have to count Vanquish and Nier Automata as Nintendo games (<- actual argument I heard)

And in the past few gens:
Splatoon? ... We have to count it 'cuz it's too big, too popular, but it doesn't really count.
Wii Sports/Play/Fit/Music? Casual shit, they don't count.
Brain Training? Another casual game, it doesn't count.
Rhythm Heaven? Lol a rhythm game, it doesn't count.
Xenoblade? It's not a proper Nintendo game, it doesn't count.
Dillon/Pusmo/Pullblox? What are they? Obviously they don't count.

So "Nintendo should make a new IP" should actually be read as "Nintendo EPD should make a new IP in the vein of Mario and Zelda". And fair enough, nothing wrong in wanting something following Mario and Zelda style (and even yet, Splatoon single player modes and DLCs are very very close to this kind of new IP), but:
a) this is very subjective. Why do Mario and Zelda count, and ARMS and Rhythm Heaven do not?
b) it doesn't make any sense to recognize Kirby, FE and Pokémon as Nintendo games but then splitting the hairs for Xenoblade and Astral Chain. Either we are always talking of internally-developed games, or we are using "Nintendo game" for everything produced by Nintendo;
b) Mario and Zelda are 30-year old series, it's only natural that more recent IPs gather to different tastes


As a fan of internal EPD games, I'm personally very happy with the new IPs we got on Switch. Ring Fit, Labo (the 3rd game has a mini open world which is very fun, even without the cardboard) and Sushi Strikers were good games with an unique personality.
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And I don't want to hear that we have Xenoblade so we don't need Golden Sun, actual argument I heard.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
If you ask the question: Which Nintendo character outside of Fire Emblem and Xenoblade is capable of carrying a story driven title and which character would Nintendo allow enough leeway for the developer to do that? You get the answer: None of them. Which can be frustrating and some people would like to see traditionally great Nintendo gameplay paired with a great narrative. It won’t happen, but it would be nice.
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Zelda could be made to be a more story driven series than it has been as of now, you could easily make Link a talking protagonist, have more cutscenes and make a more story driven narrative, not everyone would think that would be the way to go for the Zelda series but it could easily be done if Nintendo took that option in the future.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
If you ask the question: Which Nintendo character outside of Fire Emblem and Xenoblade is capable of carrying a story driven title and which character would Nintendo allow enough leeway for the developer to do that? You get the answer: None of them. Which can be frustrating and some people would like to see traditionally great Nintendo gameplay paired with a great narrative. It won’t happen, but it would be nice.
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Other than Fire Emblem and Xenoblade, I think Dragalia Lost deserves it, but it was ruined by a stupid mobile game developer.
Unless they find a new developer, this IP will never be revived.
 
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SirArthur said:
There are layers to this. In the interview Tei (the director) said that that the game was design for an audience that are new to SRPGs i.e a younger audience that the usual FE players, hence the choice of Mika Pikazo as an artist.

There is nuance to 3 houses comparison: they were developed around the same time with the goal of hitting different audiences to see what they should do going forward. Coming out of the success of the 3DS titles, they wanted to experiment and because it came out after 3H (it was gonna release a year after, since they were targeting 2020, from a Nintendo Dream Interview) considering Engage a response to 3H in combat, story, etc is foolish to assume.

Sure 3H reached 4 million but like all game sales there is context, it was the first FE (non warriors) on switch and its been 4 years since then (and in a ton of Nintendo sales, 3H has been one of the prominent titles). Engage has barely been out a year and like 3H after its first quarters, we will only get new data on the CESA papers.

To say the game failed to expand the audience is unwarranted, unless we have the data of the audience it reached and their target number. Will Engage reach 4 million, probably not, we are in the end of the life of the switch, its a stacked year and w-o-m are factors that will impact it longer term. So unless Nintendo and IS, explicitly say the game did not reach their expectations, we will have to wait a couple of years to see where the sales lands.
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And there lies another problem, they tried to push Engage to a younger audience when that goes directly against the idea of being a celebration of a bunch of games that said audience were probably too young to experience. And again, it doesn’t seem like they were able to reach that demographic considering that the game sold worse than Three House within a similar timeframe & (at least in Japan) fell off a cliff sales-wise after the first few weeks. Plus, like you said, the WoM factor isn’t really there thanks to the terrible writing & divisive character designs holding back the stellar gameplay.

Once again, I’m not saying the game failed. But it doesn’t seem to be accomplishing some of the goals they were hoping for. The best analogy I can think of is how FFXVI sold: It met SE’s expectations, but they were hoping for more. And as the likes of Delzethin & Captain Astronaut highlighted, there are very clear reasons as to why Engage didn’t expand FE’s audience (some of which aren’t entirely IS’s fault). While it’s probably too late for the long-rumored Echoes Genealogy to take these lessons into account (assuming that the game is happening), I wouldn’t be surprised if the next brand-new FE game (hopefully) learns the right lessons from Engage & Three Houses to take the best elements of both.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
That was 23 years ago.
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1. Rude!

2. I don't jive with this talking point since it implies the only way to tell a story is the way Sony does. Nintendo games may not have riveting plots, but their worlds are incredible and connect with folks as much as (if not more than) the competition.
 
I hate basically all Sony stories other than Spider-Man 2018 and the ending of TLOU1. You don’t need to be like Sony or whatever to have complex characters and good dialogue.

The God of War reboots are just standard MCU trash while trying to redeem a monster while giving him zero actual moral challenges. Horizon has the worst VA and cutscene direction possible. It’s possible to do a lot better.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I hate basically all Sony stories other than Spider-Man 2018 and the ending of TLOU1. You don’t need to be like Sony or whatever to have complex characters and good dialogue.
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Actually, Nintendo has two recurring problems right now…
  • Nothing with narratives on the level of what Sony puts out.
  • A lack of diversity (regarding women & people of color) amongst their characters, with the progress they’ve made being really slow.
Why not kill 2 birds with one stone?
 
Neoxon said:
Actually, Nintendo has two recurring problems right now…
  • Nothing with narratives on the level of what Sony puts out.
  • A lack of diversity (regarding women & people of color) amongst their characters, with the progress they’ve made being really slow.
Why not kill 2 birds with one stone?
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I don’t think one of those are really a problem for Nintendo.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I hate basically all Sony stories other than Spider-Man 2018 and the ending of TLOU1. You don’t need to be like Sony or whatever to have complex characters and good dialogue.

The God of War reboots are just standard MCU trash while trying to redeem a monster while giving him zero actual moral challenges. Horizon has the worst VA and cutscene direction possible. It’s possible to do a lot better.
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I just don't really care, personally. It's not why I'm here, and I assume a lot of others are in the same boat. I'd just read a book if I wanted strong characterization and dialogue.
 
Neoxon said:
Actually, Nintendo has two recurring problems right now…
  • Nothing with narratives on the level of what Sony puts out.
  • A lack of diversity (regarding women & people of color) amongst their characters, with the progress they’ve made being really slow.
Why not kill 2 birds with one stone?
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Just kill the second bird. The first bird has a family!
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I hate basically all Sony stories other than Spider-Man 2018 and the ending of TLOU1. You don’t need to be like Sony or whatever to have complex characters and good dialogue.

The God of War reboots are just standard MCU trash while trying to redeem a monster while giving him zero actual moral challenges. Horizon has the worst VA and cutscene direction possible. It’s possible to do a lot better.
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I think we've hit the point where calling shit MCU like means absolutely nothing.
 
Nintendo isn't going to make a Western story driven game unless they have western studios do it. They have 2 atm and they prefer those studios to work on other things

I will point out that Sony's focus on those games has resulted in their library getting a LOT less diverse. They require alot of manpower, like TOTK for every single game manpower
 
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Argot said:
if you want more story driven games from nintendo please purchase Another Code: Recollection coming out this coming January
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or actually, play xenblade 1 and 3 which have better narratives than anything sony puts out but we're not ready for that conversation
 
Pessimistic Pokémon Prediction: 2024's Pokémon game is Based Black/Wowza White, made by ILCA, totally ignoring the Switch 2. No Switch 2 version in its own box on the shop shelves; no patch for more frames on Switch 2, it's a very switchy switch game, which everyone hates, which sells 12 million copies
 
VegiHam said:
Pessimistic Pokémon Prediction: 2024's Pokémon game is Based Black/Wowza White, made by ILCA, totally ignoring the Switch 2. No Switch 2 version in its own box on the shop shelves; no patch for more frames on Switch 2, it's a very switchy switch game, which everyone hates, which sells 12 million copies
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Wouldn't surprise me to see Unova remakes but also a "it doesn't run like shit now" patch for Scarlet & Violet on the Switch 2.
 
VegiHam said:
Pessimistic Pokémon Prediction: 2024's Pokémon game is Based Black/Wowza White, made by ILCA, totally ignoring the Switch 2. No Switch 2 version in its own box on the shop shelves; no patch for more frames on Switch 2, it's a very switchy switch game, which everyone hates, which sells 12 million copies
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I wish they could make the overworld model better than BD/SP like gen 6 and release B2/W2 as DLC like XC2 Torna, but I am sad to say that I have no hope for a Pokémon remake.
 
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Nintendo already has a diverse enough library. Mario itself offers a lot of diversity between:
• 3D Single Player Action, Adventure collectathon
• 2D Sidescroller
• Multiplayer race game
• Multiplayer party game
• RPG
Then start counting non Mario IPs

Can Nintendo make a game like what Sony offers?
Yes.

Should they?
Maybe

Do they need to?
No
 
I definitely don't want a Sony-like game, lol.

You can do something at least like Avatar The Last Airbender style depth of storytelling though.

Xenoblade tries to do story stuff (though it's up and down) and so does Fire Emblem (though it's... mostly down with some ups, I like Three Houses' story a lot), but the rest of their franchises are pretty minimalist in the narrative department. Which is mostly fine, but it would be nice to see 1-2 story-heavy EPD/Next Level/Retro games. New IPs that introduced a lot of heroic women would be nice too as Nintendo's catalog is very minimal in that regard (though they're obviously trying to rebrand Peach).
 
Make a Logan-style Waluigi game with Charles Martinet. Don't tie it into any cinematic universe what-so-ever. Just do a rough, beautiful, emotional tale about an older Waluigi. Have Hideo Kojima direct, give him full control. Watch the Metacritic score explode.
 
If you're looking for my dream gameplay/story distribution (for a game with an actually good story) then:

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Yeah, it's really good.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
If you're looking for my dream gameplay/story distribution (for a game with an actually good story) then:

220px-Hades_cover_art.jpg


Yeah, it's really good.
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I forgot his name, but they can make this sort of gameplay video game with that guy from Kid Icarus Uprising, the one with the giant sword
 
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Neoxon said:
Once again, I’m not saying the game failed. But it doesn’t seem to be accomplishing some of the goals they were hoping for. The best analogy I can think of is how FFXVI sold: It met SE’s expectations, but they were hoping for more. And as the likes of Delzethin & Captain Astronaut highlighted, there are very clear reasons as to why Engage didn’t expand FE’s audience (some of which aren’t entirely IS’s fault). While it’s probably too late for the long-rumored Echoes Genealogy to take these lessons into account (assuming that the game is happening), I wouldn’t be surprised if the next brand-new FE game (hopefully) learns the right lessons from Engage & Three Houses to take the best elements of both.
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I agree that the a lot of things were out of the hands of IS, hindsight is 20/20 after all.

But I don't understand what lessons FE4 would take. Its a remake, so the story has a base, will there be changes I assume so, Valentia had some and it turn out, imo, a great game. The biggest changes are going to be in the gameplay and level design, its the only FE I haven't played but I've seen those maps lol. I do think their next mainline entry will have elements of previous but I also think they will keep experimenting.
 
Random third-party thoughts

-I think EA's support next-gen is going to actually be really good. EA is trying to be bought by Disney so all of their projects (other than Battlefield and skate) are Disney IPs or sports games. EA has shown they're finally trying to bring sports games to Nintendo systems and I'm sure Disney would prefer if their games could be played on the Switch 2 and low end PCs.

-I think there's a decent chance Sega is bought by Microsoft or Sony soon after Hyenas' failure and the mass layoffs at CA and Relic and the likely cancellation of Jet Set Reboot and Crazy Taxi Reboot. This would be bad for Nintendo losing Persona and Sonic, but I don't know how bad this would be exactly. I don't think Nintendo should get in a bidding war for Sega considering that only Persona and Sonic matter to Nintendo. Stuff like Football Manager, PSO2, Total War... Not super valuable to Nintendo.

-I think Ubisoft, EA/Disney, and Warner Bros will have very strong third-party support for the Switch 2, but I'm extremely curious about Take Two. Take Two has Civ 7, Bioshock 4, Judas, and GTA6 coming out in the next 26 months and I'm really interested to see which of these land on the Switch 2.

-I very much hope Capcom bundles some of their last gen ports together instead of trying to sell RE4 Remake at $70 despite launching two years before.
 
qwerp said:
If I was Nintendo, I would be doing everything I can to get GTA6 on Switch 2 within the first year of the game's launch.
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from the leaks the game looks really demanding. I mean rdr2 was already insane but this is a true 9th gen rockstar game, Im doubtful it would run without being severely downgraded
 
lemonfresh said:
from the leaks the game looks really demanding. I mean rdr2 was already insane but this is a true 9th gen rockstar game, Im doubtful it would run without being severely downgraded
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I'm sure if they put in the time for it and optimised it well it could run, although that's hard to say as we haven't seen the game in any official capacity.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Random third-party thoughts

-I think EA's support next-gen is going to actually be really good. EA is trying to be bought by Disney so all of their projects (other than Battlefield and skate) are Disney IPs or sports games. EA has shown they're finally trying to bring sports games to Nintendo systems and I'm sure Disney would prefer if their games could be played on the Switch 2 and low end PCs.

-I think there's a decent chance Sega is bought by Microsoft or Sony soon after Hyenas' failure and the mass layoffs at CA and Relic and the likely cancellation of Jet Set Reboot and Crazy Taxi Reboot. This would be bad for Nintendo losing Persona and Sonic, but I don't know how bad this would be exactly. I don't think Nintendo should get in a bidding war for Sega considering that only Persona and Sonic matter to Nintendo. Stuff like Football Manager, PSO2, Total War... Not super valuable to Nintendo.

-I think Ubisoft, EA/Disney, and Warner Bros will have very strong third-party support for the Switch 2, but I'm extremely curious about Take Two. Take Two has Civ 7, Bioshock 4, Judas, and GTA6 coming out in the next 26 months and I'm really interested to see which of these land on the Switch 2.

-I very much hope Capcom bundles some of their last gen ports together instead of trying to sell RE4 Remake at $70 despite launching two years before.
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This isn't true. All that article said is that Iger's assistants want to buy EA and he isn't interested.

And I doubt Sega will be bought anytime soon
 
robertman2 said:
This isn't true. All that article said is that Iger's assistants want to buy EA and he isn't interested.

And I doubt Sega will be bought anytime soon
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The most accurate Era insider said that EA really wants to be bought by Disney and the news reporting has been that EA reallllly wants to be bought by a large media company.

kotaku.com

Report: EA Looking To Sell Or Merge

The Madden and Apex Legends publisher is apparently looking for a way out
kotaku.com kotaku.com

This can also be deduced from the fact that EA has signed up to make five Disney games, lol.
 
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