I hope it doesn't, because Geoff always schedules the game awards at Fuck Europe O'Clock on a work night; and I don't want to miss Switch 2 finally happening because I was asleep
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Giancarlo
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it means we gonna suport the console until it no longer is able to give us profit, expect software on the console until 2025/2027, we intend for Switch to have a 10 year suport
ReddDreadtheLead
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These say NSW:
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24)
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24) ___ Famitsu Sales: Week 39, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24) 01./00. [NSW] Pikmin 1 + 2 (Nintendo) {2023.09.22} (¥4.527) - 23.941 / NEW 02./01. [NSW] Pikmin 4 (Nintendo) {2023.07.21} (¥5.980) - 22.894 / 864.229 (-3%) 03./00. [PS5] Lies of P #...
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Hartmann
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No, that is the abbreviation used by Chris who compiles the data. Famitsu and MC do not use NSW.These say NSW:
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24)
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24) ___ Famitsu Sales: Week 39, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24) 01./00. [NSW] Pikmin 1 + 2 (Nintendo) {2023.09.22} (¥4.527) - 23.941 / NEW 02./01. [NSW] Pikmin 4 (Nintendo) {2023.07.21} (¥5.980) - 22.894 / 864.229 (-3%) 03./00. [PS5] Lies of P #...
I think there's about 0% chance.
They don'tThese say NSW:
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24)
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24) ___ Famitsu Sales: Week 39, 2023 (Sep 18 - Sep 24) 01./00. [NSW] Pikmin 1 + 2 (Nintendo) {2023.09.22} (¥4.527) - 23.941 / NEW 02./01. [NSW] Pikmin 4 (Nintendo) {2023.07.21} (¥5.980) - 22.894 / 864.229 (-3%) 03./00. [PS5] Lies of P #...
ゲームソフト販売本数ランキング | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com
PS5、PS4、Switch、3DS等の推定ゲーム販売本数ランキング30件です。2024年1月1日～2024年1月7日に集計された店舗データが元になっています。
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ertaboy356b
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Nice writeup but what if we had a coprocessor that does the bulk of frame generation? Just take a look at HEVC software
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ReddDreadtheLead
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All right, it was useless to make a suggestion ill refrain from making any suggestions in the future. Thank you have a nice day.They don't
ゲームソフト販売本数ランキング | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com
PS5、PS4、Switch、3DS等の推定ゲーム販売本数ランキング30件です。2024年1月1日～2024年1月7日に集計された店舗データが元になっています。
No, that is the abbreviation used by Chris who compiles the data. Famitsu and MC do not use NSW.
ShadowFox08
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[In Prince Vegeta Team Four Star voice] You're not tired of seeing his Majora's mask at least , right... right?
As long as that LPDDR5X is 134 GB/a and we have like 2GB for the OS, max, easily 12GB
Too bad we can't have LPDDR5T. That 150 GB/s bandwidth would be really nice and go an even looonger way.
Bonus points f we got A78c with 8mb of L3 cache, but I'm not expecting it either.
We"re getting 102 GB/s, and we're going to like it
They should use NSFW. The New Switch Famicom Wii
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ERezaSwitch
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From the Nikkei article :
- How would you apply the "spirit of originality" to the successor to the switch?
I can't give you any specifics. We are constantly researching and developing hardware, but in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024, we will focus on expanding the switch business. This is not limited to the "next generation of switches," but the biggest hurdle in any era is whether we can deliver products that customers really want.
- Can we extend the lifecycle of the Switch yet?
We are still making software for switches for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2025. As long as we can maintain our momentum, we will work to expand the Switch business. In the fiscal year ending March 2024, we hope to sustain the momentum of Zelda and movies and link it to the holiday sales season. In terms of hardware, we will maximize demand not only for new hardware but also for second and replacement hardware.
- How would you apply the "spirit of originality" to the successor to the switch?
I can't give you any specifics. We are constantly researching and developing hardware, but in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024, we will focus on expanding the switch business. This is not limited to the "next generation of switches," but the biggest hurdle in any era is whether we can deliver products that customers really want.
- Can we extend the lifecycle of the Switch yet?
We are still making software for switches for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2025. As long as we can maintain our momentum, we will work to expand the Switch business. In the fiscal year ending March 2024, we hope to sustain the momentum of Zelda and movies and link it to the holiday sales season. In terms of hardware, we will maximize demand not only for new hardware but also for second and replacement hardware.
Someone got FSR3 Frame Generation going on the Steam Deck (via Windows) it looks like
I mean it's hard to say it's not at least worth discussing. Game goes from like 23-32 fps at times to near 60 fps in the quality setting and even higher than that in some of the other performance modes. That's pretty impressive. I would be pleased with 30 fps going to 40 fps, lol.
As an aside, man this game bombing must've cut Square-Enix deep becuase it looks like it cost as much as a mainline FF game to make. Bit of a shame as I like the main character design.
I mean it's hard to say it's not at least worth discussing. Game goes from like 23-32 fps at times to near 60 fps in the quality setting and even higher than that in some of the other performance modes. That's pretty impressive. I would be pleased with 30 fps going to 40 fps, lol.
As an aside, man this game bombing must've cut Square-Enix deep becuase it looks like it cost as much as a mainline FF game to make. Bit of a shame as I like the main character design.
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FSR3 at 30fps would absolutely be horrible. There's no "if", it just won't be good.
Keep in mind FSR3 and DLSS3 are both strictly frame doubling, so it won't be running 20fps internally, it'll be capped at 15fps.
Considering a typical modern pipeline of 1 frame input buffer -> simulation -> render to back buffer -> render next frame and interpolate -> finally draw to screen, that's like 200-267ms of input lag if not more. Straight up unplayable.
And on top of that it won't even look good. 67ms between frames is too large a gap for frame interpolation to fill with major artefacts and because those interpolated frames will be on screen for a full 33ms each, you're definitely going to notice those artefacts.
I'd rather have 20fps, tbh.
The problem is still, that the frames are artificial calculated and thus the reaction gets delayed. You want usually 60FPS because the game becomes smoother and you can react better. But with Framegeneration its just the game getting smoother. Looking at the Reviews for DLSS3, which I still presume superior, this will impact the gaming experience in some games drastically and also the experience for some people. Lets take Mortal Kombat 1, which has several issues on Switch, it would be a quite bad idea to solve it with Framegeneration, as for Beat Em Up you want 60 FPS for the reaction time.
I am quite sure, I would give a **** and take the better graphics, as I don't care much for this, but I know there is quite a bunch of people who would care. So it won't be the solution, but a welcomed option.
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[In Prince Vegeta Team Four Star voice] You're not tired of seeing his Majora's mask at least , right... right?
As long as that LPDDR5X is 134 GB/a and we have like 2GB for the OS, max, easily 12GB
Too bad we can't have LPDDR5T. That 150 GB/s bandwidth would be really nice and go an even looonger way.
Bonus points f we got A78c with 8mb of L3 cache, but I'm not expecting it either.
We"re getting 102 GB/s, and we're going to like it
This is the first I've heard of LPDDR5T. I wonder if that'll be in a Switch 2 Pro.
Do you think there's much chance of the RAM being clocked higher in the docked mode?
P4bl0
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This translation seems more accurate
He basically saying nothing new except that Switch 1 will be supported till at least March 2025
He also mentions new hardware as in Switch 2 and second/replacement hardware as in Switch 1 for people with less budget
Expanding the Switch business could also mean launching Switch NG and keep building the Switch brand.
His words are quite vague and could have different meanings, it doesn’t exclude a reveal this year at all
It’s actually the opposite it looks like he put a deadline on Switch 1 first party support, which was quite unexpected
P4bl0
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They won’t have all the Wii U golden ports for this next generation, they were very lucky with Switch being able to re-release all the Wii U games.
This time they will need new games from both 1st and 3rd party to sustain their schedule and growing audience
YolkFolk
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Sounds like the focus is on Switch 1 this financial year and the system will be supported until at least early 2025. That isn’t entirely unexpected to be honest. I think we’ll get a reveal of Switch 2 very early in the next financial year based on these comments. I wouldn’t even rule out late March for a reveal even.
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FSR 3 or Frame Generation seems like a technology that would be for the followup to the T239 considering all the compromises that'd be needed to make it work.
Which honestly would be perfectly fine in my book as it would give plenty of time for it to improve and mature in the same way DLSS upscaling has.
Which honestly would be perfectly fine in my book as it would give plenty of time for it to improve and mature in the same way DLSS upscaling has.
casualreader
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Not really no. I was really convinced we d get a presentation this year and release around march, but the recent nonsense feels discouraging in this respect. Am I the only one to feel this way ?Do you feel it?
entut1
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That last quote is the oldest trick in the book
It's a given there's software in the next fiscal year ending March 2025. It doesn't mean it'll be there all year long, it just mean there's software for Switch between March 2024 and March 2025. Who would've thought? Luigi's Mansion 2 is already confirmed for Summer 2024 so it's a game in the next fiscal year. The TTYD remake is probably in it too, it's undated beyond the year. Those are non-answers basically and change nothing.
ertaboy356b
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Switch 1 or cross-gen games till next fiscal year. After that I assume they will go all in the Switch 2 with no more Switch 1 first part releases.
ShadowFox08
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Sk Hynix announced it back in January. Not expecting it all though. I do expect different bandwidth clockspeeds in handheld and docked like current switch models. I'm thinking 68-88 GB/s and 102 for docked. I would only expect more than 102 GB/s, if Switch 2 ends up using a lpddr5x module instead of lpddr5. 88/102 and 133 GB/s are better bandwidths for handheld and docked modes of course.
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The way we're picking apart the wording here doesn't feel appropriate as it's being (machine?) translated.
Regardless, I would think the following makes a bit more sense given the context of the question:
precedes and is describing the following statement.
BreakAtmo
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I mean one would hope that they would not go about making a chip with 6x the cores of the the Tegra X1 if they weren't planning to feed it properly. If they weren't willing to pay for fast RAM, wouldn't they actually be better off making a smaller chip and saving even more money that way?
P4bl0
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Re: Furukawa Interview
I asked my Japanese partner for a more accurate translation in English and the meaning behind those words.
Q: How will you apply the "spirit of innovation" to the successor of the Switch?
F: "I can't say anything specific. We are always researching and developing hardware, but for the fiscal year ending in March 2024, we are focusing on expanding the Switch business. Whether it's for 'what comes after the Switch' or not, the biggest hurdle in any era is being able to deliver something that customers really want."
Meaning: The CEO is tight-lipped about any plans regarding a successor to the Switch, emphasizing that they're always involved in R&D. What stands out is their focus on customer needs; their decisions hinge on what the consumer actually desires, whether it's the Switch or its successor
Q: Can you still extend the lifecycle of the Switch?
F: "Towards the fiscal year ending in March 2025, we are still making software for the Switch. As long as we can maintain momentum, we will work on expanding the Switch business. For the fiscal year ending in March 2024, we want to sustain the momentum of Zelda and the movie, and link it to the holiday season. For the hardware, we will maximize not only new demand but also demand for second units and replacements."
Meaning: They have plans to keep the Switch relevant at least until 2025. This includes leveraging popular franchises like Zelda and tying in multimedia efforts like movies to boost sales. They are also considering the 'secondary market,' meaning people buying second units or replacing their old ones.
I asked my Japanese partner for a more accurate translation in English and the meaning behind those words.
Q: How will you apply the "spirit of innovation" to the successor of the Switch?
F: "I can't say anything specific. We are always researching and developing hardware, but for the fiscal year ending in March 2024, we are focusing on expanding the Switch business. Whether it's for 'what comes after the Switch' or not, the biggest hurdle in any era is being able to deliver something that customers really want."
Meaning: The CEO is tight-lipped about any plans regarding a successor to the Switch, emphasizing that they're always involved in R&D. What stands out is their focus on customer needs; their decisions hinge on what the consumer actually desires, whether it's the Switch or its successor
Q: Can you still extend the lifecycle of the Switch?
F: "Towards the fiscal year ending in March 2025, we are still making software for the Switch. As long as we can maintain momentum, we will work on expanding the Switch business. For the fiscal year ending in March 2024, we want to sustain the momentum of Zelda and the movie, and link it to the holiday season. For the hardware, we will maximize not only new demand but also demand for second units and replacements."
Meaning: They have plans to keep the Switch relevant at least until 2025. This includes leveraging popular franchises like Zelda and tying in multimedia efforts like movies to boost sales. They are also considering the 'secondary market,' meaning people buying second units or replacing their old ones.
YolkFolk
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I’ve seen several translations and only seen this in yours.
P4bl0
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Yeah my translation comes from a Japanese native not a machine.
carbvan
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Very convenient his Japanese partner that only he knows produces stuff like this.
P4bl0
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It's a translation not a production.
He wouldn't call the next console the "next Switch/Switch Next" and officially confirm that it's a Switch 2 in an interview let's be realistic
YolkFolk
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It feels a bit like you didn’t like the comments because they seemed to indicate no reveal in 2023 and so you therefore modified the comments to make it sound like there’s a chance.
Obviously I could be wrong but I think we’ll need another source before we take this translation on board.
P4bl0
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I didn't "didn't like the comments" they are very vague, actually I like them as they seem to imply we will have at least 1 year cross-gen period.
I just wanted a real japanese person to review them and not rely on Google Translate/deepL
They don't seem to indicate any reveal is/isn't happening anyway, so you're quite reaching, you can keep your accusations though
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Yes but I never saw a company announce a new product and say "surprise ! It wasn't included in our forecast so here are our updated expectations for this fiscal year, we lied to our investors just to keep the surprise for the fans".
For the release time frame, I said holiday 2024 but indeed I meant H2 but it is obvious that it wouldn't be released during the summer, it would likely be between the end of septembre and the end of november.
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Regardless of what the text in the article truly says, it still means nothing. Interviews like these have words that are all chosen carefully. The words mean whatever they need to mean in the future. If there is no console release next year, well this interview didn't indicate that. But if one does release, than this article didn't say it couldn't happen either. Looking at interviews like this where it's just corporate speak because they can't reveal anything is futile.
P4bl0
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The fiscal year predictions were solely about Switch 1, that's what Furukawa meant. Also his comment was only reported by a Bloomberg journalist known for remixing stuff, none of his comments were included in the actual Q&A
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eh I'd say 2024 being the reveal year has felt pretty likely ever since the June direct with Mario Wonder being the big holiday release.
People don't like the reasoning but unless the console literally comes out in March, I don't see Nintendo taking any chances to kneecap their second biggest release of the year (even if the impact ends up being minimal).
My personal guess being March as the earliest possible time they reveal new hardware based on natedrake own sources.
Dark Cloud
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Yeah, next year in 2024.Do you feel it?
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Not really, no. If anything, the recent interview bolstered my March reveal/September release belief.Do you feel it?
This year is truly about the Switch 1 & it having its going-away party with what will likely be its last big exclusive game (Mario Wonder).
Dark Cloud
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I agree. Mario Wonder is the last big exclusive. Revealed in March followed by presentation in May-June and release in September.
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I mean the last guaranteed 10+ million seller that’s exclusive to the Switch 1. Any others will likely either be Switch 2-only or cross-gen.
Coco98bisFR
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Yes but that's what I meant, whatever he meant, you don't need the perfect translation, what we got was enough to understand that he meant that there wouldn't be a new hardware for this fiscal year, that's all. No need to speculate like "oh why did he specifically said that, it probably means that Switch 2 will be released for holiday 2023 or early 2024" like most people do on this thread where hints are seen literally everywhere, when things are generally quite obvious.
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Do you think Peach Showtime will release after the Switch 2 is available?
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The last first-party title on 3DS actually launched 2 years after Switch came out (Kirby's Epic Yarn port launched in March 2019), which pretty much meant 3DS got support for two entire fiscal years alongside Switch. 3DS got third-party support for another 2 years or so after that, I think, until some time in 2021, meaning 8 years of first-party support and 10 years of third-party support.
Switch is both massively more popular and has a far more active and lucrative software market. Add to that cross-gen support being easier this time around given the tech context, and it's not crazy to assume that Nintendo are going to be continuing first-party Switch support for even longer than they continued with 3DS.
Not entirely unprecedented for Nintendo to have that big a gap between major software titles, given we went 12 months from Super Mario Odyssey in October 2017 to Super Mario Party in October 2018, with only small/medium scale titles launching in that interim. That being said, I'm personally of the opinion that Nintendo hoped for bigger things from Labo in that period, and right now I'd still look at early next fiscal year (May through July, though I'd pick June as the sweetspot) for new hardware.
But I don't think it's impossible Nintendo are prepared to spend January through August riding things out on smaller scale and middle-tier software launches; they'd have the new console to point to as their next Big Thing and a September launch still means the hardware is available for half their next fiscal year.
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Peach Showtime can be a Switch game and an NG launch game at the same time.
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