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Paraspikey said:
If we're meant to take this literally, wouldn't this imply no reveal until September? If we're only going to start seeing developers confirm a Switch 2 launch in 12-18 months, that implies that a reveal wouldn't be until then, no? Developers confirmed their games would be on the NX and the Switch before it's release. I'm not entirely sure why people are now thinking he means this is when the release window is.

Despite my own speculation, though, a September launch is my expectation. I'm just not sure why people are jumping the gun, assuming this means this is when it releases when, if anything, it implies we won't see anything until next September, at least if we were to take it literally.
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You can twist it however you want honestly lol. It can easily mean the switch 2 is releasing at least a year from now, and you’ll start seeing third party games released day and date then or soon after.

By end of November we’ll know 100% because Nintendo isn’t waiting until December or later to announce a system for a March release (H1 would still be possible with a January announcement).
 
With Henderson tweet and knowing where he has sources, maybe they have planning a good alliance with EA and Ubisoft to bring their subscription services to (EA Play and Ubisoft Plus) to Switch NG. Those services can offer future NG titles and all current Switch 1 software (via BC with maybe upgrades?). Even there can also be a special price that gives players NSO+EA Play+Ubisoft Plus for less than buying each one individually.

With a robust third party lineup from third parties from mainly western publishers, Nintendo only needs to release (as NG exclusive, not considering current Switch titles like Prime 4) a high quality 3D Mario title lol and then let players buy their Switch NG with Mario 3D + another third party title (be it COD/Battlefield if you like shooters, FIFA/NFL/NBA/UFC/NHL if you like sports, The Crew/NFS if you like racing, Assasins Creed if you like WRPGs..)
 
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Dark Cloud said:
You can twist it however you want honestly lol. It can easily mean the switch 2 is releasing at least a year from now, and you’ll start seeing third party games released day and date then or soon after.
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I think it's silly to draw conclusions from the tweet, and I'm not entirely sure where people are getting he confirmed a September-December launch when that isn't what he said at all. I think the only solid conclusion that can be drawn is that it'll be out by December 2024, which is something we all know already lol.
 
Paraspikey said:
If we're meant to take this literally, wouldn't this imply no reveal until September? If we're only going to start seeing developers confirm a Switch 2 launch in 12-18 months, that implies that a reveal wouldn't be until then, no? Developers confirmed their games would be on the NX and the Switch before it's release. I'm not entirely sure why people are now thinking he means this is when the release window is.

Despite my own speculation, though, a September launch is my expectation. I'm just not sure why people are jumping the gun, assuming this means this is when it releases when, if anything, it implies we won't see anything until next September, at least if we were to take it literally.

I think they meant to say something like "within the next 12-18 months", it doesn't make much sense for a developer to hold off on announcing their stuff UNTIL it launches.
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Major 3rd party titles that show up during launch window likely won't say "Launching on XBox Series X|S, Playstation 5, Nintendo Switch 2, and PC".

Most likely, those major 3rd party titles would already have been launched. If those games were launching at the same time as Switch 2, I would think that is coincidence (because I don't see it as likely that major 3rd party would just hold back and wait until Switch 2 launches first but I could be wrong).

Once Switch 2 settles down into cadence of things, I think that was what Tom Henderson was referring to.. we'll gradually start to see major 3rd party games be announced more and more as "Launching on XBox Series X|S, Playstation 5, Nintendo Switch 2, and PC".

At least that's my (and other's) interpretation here.
 
darthdiablo said:
Major 3rd party titles that show up during launch window likely won't say "Launching on XBox Series X|S, Playstation 5, Nintendo Switch 2, and PC".

Most likely, those major 3rd party titles would already have been launched. If those games were launching at the same time as Switch 2, I would think that is coincidence (because I don't see it as likely that major 3rd party would just hold back and wait until Switch 2 launches first but I could be wrong).

Once Switch 2 settles down into cadence of things, I think that was what Tom Henderson was referring to.. we'll gradually start to see major 3rd party games be announced more and more as "Launching on XBox Series X|S, Playstation 5, Nintendo Switch 2, and PC".

At least that's my (and other's) interpretation here.
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So that would imply the launch would be before the next 12-18 months?
 
Paraspikey said:
So that would imply the launch would be before the next 12-18 months?
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Yup - according to comments here Tom Henderson doesn't really deal with speculation or speculative stuff. Maybe he talked to studios/devs.

But what does it mean I guess is part of the debate. Launching 12-18 months later? Or within the next 12-18 months?
 
Not gonna lie, I'm a bit bummed that we have Far Cry 7 confirmed and Final Fantasy VII deconfirmed (at least for the near future). Would gladly trade their places if I could as I have no interest in like 80% of AAA western games. But maybe the silver lining here is we'll get the FFVII Remake Trilogy for $70 on Switch 3, which will have part 1 on the cart and parts 2 & 3 as download codes lol.

It's a sample size of 2 games, but I'm already getting worried Japanese companies like Square Enix, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Sega/Atlus will continue to exclude Nintendo for their big budget games (or they'll be extremely late ports, like NieR: Automata on Switch).

Also what is the source for the next Monster Hunter being confirmed for Switch 2? I scoured the last 5 pages and couldn't find it.
 
I don't put much into the 12-18 month thing. Could be just be about the games Tom knows about. No reason to worry.
 
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In regards to Henderson I think he just means in 12-18 months most third party games that are coming out then or getting announced around then to come out at a later date will mostly all be announced to be cross platform for all three systems.
Like a lot of 3rd party games we already know about that end up releasing right around when Switch 2 comes out obviously won’t be coming to it for a little bit, some might.

Switch 2 could launch anywhere between March and November of next year, and I don’t think Hendersons tweet is implying a release date range.

I’m still firmly in camp switch 2 is coming May-June ish though!
 
topsekret said:
Not gonna lie, I'm a bit bummed that we have Far Cry 7 confirmed and Final Fantasy VII deconfirmed (at least for the near future). Would gladly trade their places if I could as I have no interest in like 80% of AAA western games. But maybe the silver lining here is we'll get the FFVII Remake Trilogy for $70 on Switch 3, which will have part 1 on the cart and parts 2 & 3 as download codes lol.

It's a sample size of 2 games, but I'm already getting worried Japanese companies like Square Enix, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Sega/Atlus will continue to exclude Nintendo for their big budget games (or they'll be extremely late ports, like NieR: Automata on Switch).

Also what is the source for the next Monster Hunter being confirmed for Switch 2? I scoured the last 5 pages and couldn't find it.
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Quoting D36:

D36 said:
Not that I disagree, but insiders aren't always right and shouldn't be seen as infallible by default.
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Don't take insiders word as gospel. Unless it's from Nintendo or Ubisoft FC7 is definitely not confirmed. Same about FF7.
 
D36 said:
Not that I disagree, but insiders aren't always right and shouldn't be seen as infallible by default.
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I agree, they're not always right or infallible. Never claimed they were either.

I'm just annoyed that the other poster I responded to (with that comment of mine) seems to be consistently befuddled on why people are talking about stuff insiders say more than his own words and he also seems to be on some kind of crusade against them.

Pointing out if he was an insider himself (with some track record), maybe people would take his words a bit more seriously.
 
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Hermii said:
Is this chart from 2018?
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I don't know if it's from 2018, but it's wouldn't have to be. TSMC knew in 2020 they were launching 5nm that year with iPhones/M1 Macs.

They would have known at that time that by 2024, the then cutting edge 5nm process would be matured and cheaper (and also high volume vendors like Apple would be transitioning to 3nm by 2023/24). Just like they already know today that in 2026 the current 3nm cutting edge process will be transitioning into the "cheap/mature" customer category and by 2027 it'll be totally wide open.

They know this stuff years in advance.

Nintendo using 4 year old nodes is about as Nintendo of a thing as it gets, the Wii U's GPU 40nm TSMC process was 4 years old when they launched the Wii U in 2012. The Mariko/Lite Switch revisions on 16nm was a 4 year old process. Nintendo allowing 4 years to pass for 5nm to become cheaper/matured is fairly par for the course, the OG 20nm Switch was a bit of an exception at being about 3 years old when it launched in the Switch, but Nintendo seems to really like 4 year old mature tech likely because they get it at a very nice cost and don't have to compete so much with other vendors.

If they were speaking with TSMC and Nvidia on which node to use in 2020 which they almost certainly would have to have been, they probably were told "hey if you can wait till 2024, the 5nm process we have today that is bleeding edge will be cheaper and fit into the budget you want with plenty of production availability at great yields".

If Switch 2 is 2nd half 2024 and it is indeed a 4N/5nm processor ... then I think that's no coincidence, that's entirely by design.
 
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Hermii said:
Don't take insiders word as gospel. Unless it's from Nintendo or Ubisoft FC7 is definitely not confirmed. Same about FF7.
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Yeah, I know. Maybe I should have put the words "confirmed" and "deconfirmed" in quotes to show that.

Though as Nate is the one "deconfirming" FFVII for the near future ("no plans at this time"), I think it carries some weight. Nate has a pretty good track record and is diligent about vetting sources.
 
Plum said:
Made a quick mock-up:

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Wii U vibes all over again
 
Paraspikey said:
If we're meant to take this literally, wouldn't this imply no reveal until September? If we're only going to start seeing developers confirm a Switch 2 launch in 12-18 months, that implies that a reveal wouldn't be until then, no? Developers confirmed their games would be on the NX and the Switch before it's release. I'm not entirely sure why people are now thinking he means this is when the release window is.

Despite my own speculation, though, a September launch is my expectation. I'm just not sure why people are jumping the gun, assuming this means this is when it releases when, if anything, it implies we won't see anything until next September, at least if we were to take it literally.

I think they meant to say something like "within the next 12-18 months", it doesn't make much sense for a developer to hold off on announcing their stuff UNTIL it launches.
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is a time frame when we could expect third party suport on the console or not and also the Xbox Series X/S refresh leaked on the Microsoft documents
 
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topsekret said:
Not gonna lie, I'm a bit bummed that we have Far Cry 7 confirmed and Final Fantasy VII deconfirmed (at least for the near future). Would gladly trade their places if I could as I have no interest in like 80% of AAA western games. But maybe the silver lining here is we'll get the FFVII Remake Trilogy for $70 on Switch 3, which will have part 1 on the cart and parts 2 & 3 as download codes lol.

It's a sample size of 2 games, but I'm already getting worried Japanese companies like Square Enix, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Sega/Atlus will continue to exclude Nintendo for their big budget games (or they'll be extremely late ports, like NieR: Automata on Switch).

Also what is the source for the next Monster Hunter being confirmed for Switch 2? I scoured the last 5 pages and couldn't find it.
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is better to have a good late port, rater then release this such games day one on Switch sucessor, we dont want the Mortal Kombat 1 situation to repeat on Nintendo next hardware,dont we
 
darthdiablo said:
Yup - according to comments here Tom Henderson doesn't really deal with speculation or speculative stuff. Maybe he talked to studios/devs.

But what does it mean I guess is part of the debate. Launching 12-18 months later? Or within the next 12-18 months?
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I don't think he knows when the console is launching. I think it's more of his opinion--12-18 months is a safe bet to make anyway.


justanotherperson said:


Why blue/purple? It was revealed to me in a dream today (and because I think it would help differentiate from Gen I). What do y'all think of this stylization for Gen II?
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I don't mind the purple colored logo, but there's a possibility the color could kind of backfire like GC. Why not keep the red color, and just only change the logo, and box if necessary? Red is synonymous with Nintendo's identity.Sony and MS have been doing blue and green for ages.
 
Giancarlo said:
is better to have a good late port, rater then release this such games day one on Switch sucessor, we dont want the Mortal Kombat 1 situation to repeat on Nintendo next hardware,dont we
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Yeah, for sure. If the news was "Square Enix is working on a port of FFVII Remake for Switch 2, but it won't make it for launch. Probably 6-12 months later." I would be happy with that. But to hear "no plans at this time" is not a good sign. That sounds like they aren't even even looking into it.

But hey, maybe FFVII is just a one-off cause of another Sony moneyhat to extend their console exclusivity for a few more years.
 
ShadowFox08 said:
I don't think he knows when the console is launching. I think it's more of his opinion--12-18 months is a safe bet to make anyway.
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Not what I stated either. Comments here described him as quite legit. As in he wouldn't randomly throw out opinions like that.

I don't think the "12-18 month" bit was random either. 12-18 months is weirdly specific. His tweet, I believe was about game(s) coming with that label (launching among with PS5, Xbox X|S, etc). If that pans out (and again as some here attested to, he doesn't really deal with speculation much), then Switch 2 would have had to launch by then.
 
ShadowFox08 said:
I don't think he knows when the console is launching. I think it's more of his opinion--12-18 months is a safe bet to make anyway.
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“In 12-18 months” isn’t a safe bet - “in the next 12-18 months” would be, ie. from today until early 2025, but that’s not what he said. If he wanted safe why not say something like “next year” and leave it open ended?

I hate that part of the tweet. I’m going back to the Eurogamer/VGC “second half of 2024” + “Nintendo is keen to launch the system sooner if possible.”

Getting PS5/XSX titles day and date is nice to hear about tho.
 
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darthdiablo said:
I agree, they're not always right or infallible. Never claimed they were either.

I'm just annoyed that the other poster I responded to (with that comment of mine) seems to be consistently befuddled on why people are talking about stuff insiders say more than his own words and he also seems to be on some kind of crusade against them.

Pointing out if he was an insider himself (with some track record), maybe people would take his words a bit more seriously.
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I think the issue here is that information between these people tend to contradict one another. I think it's fair to provide some scrutiny, even if there's a good track record.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The "12-18 months" thing could just be that Tom Henderson was asking around about 2025-2026 Ubisoft games and the devs said all of them were targeting the Switch 2 (and those games will be announced in 12-18 months ish)
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There’s countless ways to interpret it. It’s a bad tweet.
 
Instead of doing red as the central color, I could aee them doing a more White/Light grey with colored secondaries.
Here's an absolutely STUNNING mock-up I made
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Saturnman789 said:
Instead of doing red as the central color, I could aee them doing a more White/Light grey with colored secondaries.
Here's an absolutely STUNNING mock-up I made
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Red feels central to the Nintendo and Switch brand today and I’m skeptical they’d move away from it so quickly.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The "12-18 months" thing could just be that Tom Henderson was asking around about 2025-2026 Ubisoft games and the devs said all of them were targeting the Switch 2 (and those games will be announced in 12-18 months ish)
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Yup, that's what it could also mean. Games are announced 12-18 months later, rather than being released.

Ambiguous tweet is ambiguous.
 
Wait now y'all think the tweet is ambiguous or poorly worded? How are you reading any way other than "Games announced in 12-18 months will target all platforms"?
 
karmitt said:
Red feels central to the Nintendo and Switch brand today and I’m skeptical they’d move away from it so quickly.
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I understand where you're coming from, but if they stuck with the same red i feel it would be somewhat confusing for consumers, unless the logo had a radically different design. If its a different color it becomes much more clear its for a new device.
In retrospect I don't think any nintendo console has kept the same primary logo color set-up as its predecessor
 
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Joy-Boy said:
GBA/Gamecube - Purple
Wii - White/grey
DS - Black on white background
3DS - Black on white with a pinch of red
Wii U - Blue
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Hasn’t there been some consistency around colouring for Nintendo branding eg. the racetrack logo? I know they’ve bounced around a bit on it, but I assumed they’ve settled on red for the foreseeable future.

They could definitely pivot a little bit and have red be more of an accent like Sony has done with Blue and PS5.
 
lemonfresh said:
after Henderson's comments I wonder if some people are going to be h1 2025 now lol
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Possibly could happen, NX was slatted for Holiday 2016 however games were not ready so they pushed it to March 2017 along with Zelda Wii U was going to be the only game from Nintendo at E3 that year.
 
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