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D36 said:
There's been some hostility brewing these past few pages. Why don't we just chill a little?
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P4bl0 said:
They did. You need to read the article:

According to multiple people with knowledge of Nintendo’s next-gen console plans, the company is likely to release new hardware during the second half of 2024, to ensure that it has ample stock available on day one and to avoid the kind of shortages seen with PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S.


Also no need to reexplain that VGC/Eurogamer are from the same group sharing the same owner and the same narrative
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I'm not super knowledgeable on this sort of thing, but it seems weird to me that they would want to launch the system during the Holiday to "ensure they can avoid shortages." when that's the busiest time of year. If a March launch is happening, the launch game isn't going to be something as big as a 3D Mario or a new Zelda game. It'll likely be Prime 4. I don't see how them launching the Switch 2 during Holiday 2024 is going to be much to their benefit when they can start with a soft launch in March and work themselves up to a 3D Mario launch in October of next year and then ramp up production in the Summer to account for a massive bump with Holiday sales.

According to some people here, production could start in December. An announcement a month beforehand makes a ton of sense, mostly to avoid leaks. I don't see them wanting to hold back because there's simply no need currently. All Switch games will probably work on the Switch 2, and if that's the case, then there's no reason for them to worry about cannibalizing sales. In fact, showing enhanced versions of games could improve sales. Mario Wonder at 4k would look beautiful and would probably sell a lot of people to get the system as soon as they can on top of people buying the game and playing it on their current Switch.

The PS5 and Xbox Series X|S launched during the Holiday season during lockdown. Everyone wanted one since they were in their house all day, but they couldn't get one because the slowed-down production the pandemic brought wasn't able to keep up with the massive amount of demand during the Holiday. Even if the pandemic never happened, shortages probably would have happened either way, in my opinion, though most definitely not anywhere near how bad it was. A lowkey launch way before the Holiday would prevent the probable shortages from happening since they would mostly be focusing on the hardcore audience anyway at launch, not repeating the exact strategy Sony and Microsoft had during Holiday 2020. I don't know if I'm off with something, though, so if I am, make sure to correct me.
 
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Paraspikey said:
I'm not super knowledgeable on this sort of thing, but it seems weird to me that they would want to launch the system during the Holiday to "ensure they can avoid shortages." when that's the busiest time of year.
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With an October-November launch they get an extra 7-8 months of production compared to a March launch. Simple as that.
 
redmutineer75 said:
With an October-November launch they get an extra 7-8 months of production compared to a March launch. Simple as that.
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But production depends on the reveal timing. If they aren't going to reveal it until March 2024, then production won't start until then as well. A September/October launch (to fit with some things I think Nate said a while ago I believe) would only give it two extra months of production. Launching it when everyone is going to have demand for it is the exact thing that will cause possible shortages. A March launch would prevent that for the most part because a lot of people aren't going to be able to buy the system during that time of year, which allows them to build up stock and momentum, and then they have a big 3D Mario around Holiday to fully hook people in.
 
At least when the thing finally enters production, we'll basically know everything about what it looks like, thanks to some handy people with phones on the assembly lines.
 
P4bl0 said:
Yes you did.

Current Switch 2 Release Window Claims:

[Publications]
VGC/Eurogamer: “second half of 2024” then « Nintendo wants to launch sooner »
Nikkei Asia: “next spring at the earliest”
TechInsights: “March or April next year”
MoneyDJ: “Q1 next year” (Foxconn’s FY starts in January)

[Individuals]
NWeedle: “before summer”
Pokemon leaker: “early 2024”
Necrolipe: "Before summer"
Jeff Grubb: « reveal before end of 2023 »
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I just got home and was able to go through this list…
  • We already discussed this, but “hoping to launch earlier” could simply mean “hoping to launch earlier within the second half”.
  • At the earliest, implying that later is entirely possible.
  • I’ll give you that.
  • I remember that article, but I’m pretty sure that was mostly in reference to production. And considering what was mentioned about Nintendo wanting ample stock, it could be reasonable to believe that they’ll start earlier in the year even with the reported H2 2024 launch.
As for the individuals outside of Jeff Grubb (who I’m familiar with) & the 4chan Pokémon leak, I’ll take your word that those two are reliable sources within this community (don’t worry, I’m being genuine here).
 
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ns156 said:
At least when the thing finally enters production, we'll basically know everything about what it looks like, thanks to some handy people with phones on the assembly lines.
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Yeah no not happening, people don’t have phones on assembly lines

iPhone 15 leaked from factory recently because they were gifted to workers but were asked not to turn on before release date
 
The Funcles will be there, rest assured. This is why i'm saying March looks extremely shaky if there's no factory chatter sometime soon. You can't take the fun out of Funcles.
 
P4bl0 said:
Yeah no not happening, people don’t have phones on assembly lines

iPhone 15 leaked from factory recently because they were gifted to workers but were asked not to turn on before release date
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Switch lite was leaked from assembly lines. It's not unheard of. Happens all the time.
 
P4bl0 said:
Yeah no not happening, people don’t have phones on assembly lines

iPhone 15 leaked from factory recently because they were gifted to workers but were asked not to turn on before release date
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Maybe we will get something like that playstation q leak when someone was taking a video of a random factory unit.
 
Paraspikey said:
But production depends on the reveal timing. If they aren't going to reveal it until March 2024, then production won't start until then as well. A September/October launch (to fit with some things I think Nate said a while ago I believe) would only give it two extra months of production. Launching it when everyone is going to have demand for it is the exact thing that will cause possible shortages. A March launch would prevent that for the most part because a lot of people aren't going to be able to buy the system during that time of year, which allows them to build up stock and momentum, and then they have a big 3D Mario around Holiday to fully hook people in.
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Has it always been like that historically? (Reveal first then production)
 
redmutineer75 said:
With an October-November launch they get an extra 7-8 months of production compared to a March launch. Simple as that.
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They could produce over 1M units a month, so they would launch with 10M+ units? How? Stores only have so much shelf space, they could launch with maybe 6M considering the box is smaller than Playstation's or Xbox's, but wouldn't it make more sense for them to launch in Spring with 4M+ and replenish stock throughout the rest of the year, increasing production into the holidays?
 
HankyPanky said:
if RDR2 isn't getting a Switch 1 port this could be a signal we're getting close to release.

or it being a Cloud version seems more realistic than a heavily gimped Switch 1 edition.
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I don’t know if anyone has pointed it out, but cloud versions of these games aren’t rated. And the cloud versions aren’t available in Brazil at all, where this was rated. I think it’s probably a sign of Switch 2 stuff.
 
darthdiablo said:
Has it always been like that historically? (Reveal first then production)
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I'm unsure if it has ALWAYS been this way for every company, though I think it's obvious that companies don't want their hardware leaking early. The PS5 fully started mass production in June 2020, the same month it was announced if you want one example.
I think with the Switch specifically, production of the current Switch started in October/November 2016, if my memory is right.

Edit: The Switch entered production in September 2016, according to Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-nx-entering-production-report-2016-9
 
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NXRevolution said:
I don’t know if anyone has pointed it out, but cloud versions of these games aren’t rated. And the cloud versions aren’t available in Brazil at all, where this was rated. I think it’s probably a sign of Switch 2 stuff.
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Yeah I still don’t believe R2D2 would do well on Switch 1. Despite owning miracle port (Witcher 3). Switch 2 makes much more sense. I think Rockstar is still doing Switch 1 port but with intention of focusing more on Switch 2 performance (Switch 2-only patch?)
 
NXRevolution said:
I don’t know if anyone has pointed it out, but cloud versions of these games aren’t rated. And the cloud versions aren’t available in Brazil at all, where this was rated. I think it’s probably a sign of Switch 2 stuff.
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To be fair they could be using RDR2 as a test run for cloud gaming in that region, and Brazillian regulations may require cloud versions to be rated (or they decided to get it rated just to be on the safe side since they hadn't done cloud gaming in that region yet). We can't really say for certain this isn't going to be a cloud version. I think it's much more likely than a heavily downgraded version of RDR2, or an "impossible port" that has been in development for years and is releasing now when the Switch 2 is around the corner and even without the Switch 2 the monetary gain would absolutely not justify such a large amount of development time spent on it.

I think this is probably a Switch 2 thing and the listing on the website is (purposely?) mislabelled. Notice how "PlayStation 4" and "Xbox One" are not correctly capitalised (they're written as "Playstation 4" and "XBOX One"). The information presented might not be 100% correct and "Nintendo Switch" could possibly be referring to any Nintendo hardware.
 
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I've been pondering this for a while and I finally want to get this thought out in the open. What do you think the chances are of possibly bringing back pointer controls in the NG Switch?

I want to say I've fully bought in to gyro controls for aiming. They are a great compliment to dual analog. I play most games with them if I can. But there was just something so amazing about the Wii's pointer controls.

There are two, technically 3, games that really made pointer controls stand out for me. The conduit 1 and 2, and RE 4. The controls in those games are just perfect. But it's not just fps games that would benefit. I was looking at the house of the dead remake, and I thought, how much better would this be with a Wiimote? Dead space extraction is another fantastic light gun game. They just aren't doable anymore, in any meaningful way anyway.

What do you all think? Could this be one of the gimmicks that differentiates the NG Switch and the Switch? Is it even feasible? I thought about making this it's own topic, but I'm kind of afraid to do that lol.
 
Paraspikey said:
I'm unsure if it has ALWAYS been this way for every company, though I think it's obvious that companies don't want their hardware leaking early. The PS5 fully started mass production in June 2020, the same month it was announced if you want one example.
I think with the Switch specifically, production of the current Switch started in October/November 2016, if my memory is right.

Edit: The Switch entered production in September 2016, according to Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-nx-entering-production-report-2016-9
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That is great. I had no idea, always thought for some reason production would be underway already (months) leading up to reveal.

Hope the December production rumors are true.
 
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darthdiablo said:
That is great. I had no idea, always thought for some reason production would be underway already (months) leading up to reveal.

Let’s hope the December production rumors are true.
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Yes technically production (of parts) is underway already months leading up to reveal, but when we refer to production it’s actually the assembly of all the parts into the console
 
Slappywag said:
I've been pondering this for a while and I finally want to get this thought out in the open. What do you think the chances are of possibly bringing back pointer controls in the NG Switch?

I want to say I've fully bought in to gyro controls for aiming. They are a great compliment to dual analog. I play most games with them if I can. But there was just something so amazing about the Wii's pointer controls.

There are two, technically 3, games that really made pointer controls stand out for me. The conduit 1 and 2, and RE 4. The controls in those games are just perfect. But it's not just fps games that would benefit. I was looking at the house of the dead remake, and I thought, how much better would this be with a Wiimote? Dead space extraction is another fantastic light gun game. They just aren't doable anymore, in any meaningful way anyway.

What do you all think? Could this be one of the gimmicks that differentiates the NG Switch and the Switch? Is it even feasible? I thought about making this it's own topic, but I'm kind of afraid to do that lol.
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I think that would be really cool to see, though I doubt they would see much need to do it, honestly, considering Gyro exists. I think they see that as the "evolution" even if it isn't the same and is way more inaccurate lol
 
Slappywag said:
I've been pondering this for a while and I finally want to get this thought out in the open. What do you think the chances are of possibly bringing back pointer controls in the NG Switch?

I want to say I've fully bought in to gyro controls for aiming. They are a great compliment to dual analog. I play most games with them if I can. But there was just something so amazing about the Wii's pointer controls.

There are two, technically 3, games that really made pointer controls stand out for me. The conduit 1 and 2, and RE 4. The controls in those games are just perfect. But it's not just fps games that would benefit. I was looking at the house of the dead remake, and I thought, how much better would this be with a Wiimote? Dead space extraction is another fantastic light gun game. They just aren't doable anymore, in any meaningful way anyway.

What do you all think? Could this be one of the gimmicks that differentiates the NG Switch and the Switch? Is it even feasible? I thought about making this it's own topic, but I'm kind of afraid to do that lol.
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It would be really cool, and relatively cheap too, but i think it would create too much of a wedge between handheld and docked mode, unless they incorporate the sensor into the system itself
 
Neoxon said:
I apologize for the slight derail, but I both wanted to give my two cents as well as get some more context as to where all the hope for early 2024 was coming from.

Thank you for the insight, & apologies for the intrusion.
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This thread just assumes the Switch 2 is coming as soon as is literally possible.

That's the entire context.

Nate's "some people at Gamescom said something about March" is the closest thing to evidence for the hope.
 
Between Gotham Knights, Borderlands 3, MK I and Red Dead Redemption 2, Switch EoL magic ports have been on fire. I legit expected publishers to stop greenlighting the magic ports so late into the generation. What's next? Elden Ring, Cyberpunk 2077 and Resident Evil 4R getting a Switch version?
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
This thread just assumes the Switch 2 is coming as soon as is literally possible.

That's the entire context.

Nate's "some people at Gamescom said something about March" is the closest thing to evidence for the hope.
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Announcing it in March with an August release date
 
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Neoxon said:
I apologize for the slight derail, but I both wanted to give my two cents as well as get some more context as to where all the hope for early 2024 was coming from.

Thank you for the insight, & apologies for the intrusion.
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No apology required.
Slappywag said:
I've been pondering this for a while and I finally want to get this thought out in the open. What do you think the chances are of possibly bringing back pointer controls in the NG Switch?
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I would love it, but the sensor bar is a bit of a mess. Some folks have suggested using all around tracking, like VR does, instead.
 
oldpuck said:
I may be misremembering the order of events - my recollection was that it was updated after the VGC article dropped.
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From my memory (can't Google easily right now)-

Late July VGC reports about devkits, says the plan is H2 2024 launch "to avoid shortages"

Eurogamer follows up with corroborating report about devkits the same day (?), also reports late 2024

Late August after gamescom (or early Sept or whenever that was :

Eurogamer reports about BOTW tech demo at Gamescom, says plan could be H2 2024 but Nintendo seems to want to release it earlier

VGC follows up same day with Matrix tech demo article, doesn't change their stance on launch timing
 
Skittzo said:
From my memory (can't Google easily right now)-

Late July VGC reports about devkits, says the plan is H2 2024 launch "to avoid shortages"

Eurogamer follows up with corroborating report about devkits the same day (?), also reports late 2024

Late August after gamescom (or early Sept or whenever that was :

Eurogamer reports about BOTW tech demo at Gamescom, says plan could be H2 2024 but Nintendo seems to want to release it earlier

VGC follows up same day with Matrix tech demo article, doesn't change their stance on launch timing
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This is not correct regarding the Eurogamer report to be clear. They just say "Nintendo wants to release before late next year if possible"

www.eurogamer.net

Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

In Cologne last month, Nintendo's public Gamescom showfloor booth let you play Pikmin 4 and Super Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. …
www.eurogamer.net www.eurogamer.net

A recent report pinned Switch 2's arrival for the latter part of next year, with development kits now in the hands of some key partners. This chimed with what Eurogamer had also previously heard, though on timing I understand Nintendo is keen to launch the system sooner if possible.
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The link for "latter part" links to report that says late 2024. "latter part of the year" also means late in the year instead of just the 2nd half of the year.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
This thread just assumes the Switch 2 is coming as soon as is literally possible.

That's the entire context.

Nate's "some people at Gamescom said something about March" is the closest thing to evidence for the hope.
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I mean, if you want to think that everyone who thinks it could launch in March is just blindly hoping, then you can. I'm not exactly sure how that's benefiting discussion, especially when you actively ignore other points people have made in favor of a March launch and say that Gamescom is the ONLY thing that could be pointing to it.

I think everyone here completely understands a late 2024 launch is completely possible. I think most people here think that's the most likely outcome and, in my opinion, should be the current expectation if people want to avoid disappointment since a March 2024 launch could easily not happen, and if things end up being that way, then they will. It's as simple as that. But ignoring things that could point, do point, or just actively saying it's an early 2024 launch doesn't make sense. I don't know why people get mad at one another when it comes to discussion about the launch timeframe, nor do I see why people need to act superior as if they fully know the answer. Regardless of the outcome, we're still getting the system sometime next year. Discussions like this should be fun, not a competition, to see who's opinion ends up being the most correct. Not saying you do this specifically, just it's a problem with this thread in general.
 
karmitt said:
Ok sure.

Do you think they’ll target 30fps at 4K? And if you believe that, then why isn’t it perfectly reasonable to believe them capable of having a much lower resolution target at 60fps? ** As soon as every other company out there started to achieve competent 4K or even 1440p images, perhaps sometime around the PS4 Pro, all that extra headroom afforded by the higher resolution meant we started to see performance profiles pretty consistently.

If you don’t believe they’ll target 4K 30fps, then why? Do you actually believe Nintendo will capitalize on every bit of power/capability in their new 4K system such that their flagship title can’t run close to 4K?

The only thing I’d question is whether they’d bother with performance profiles, not whether such a thing could exist.

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I wasn’t considering handheld profiles when I wrote this. That does change things. A 4K/30 game in docked is likely 1080/30 handheld. I don’t know how much room there is for that title to be running at something 720p (or lower) at 60fps. Definitely makes the idea of performance profiles a little less obvious.
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The capability of the machine isn't what makes me think 30fps will be the target, it will largely come down to the development team and their targeted goals for performance. You would still have to design a game that allows for that scaling and I feel like the performance budget for the next Zelda will be focused on enhanced visuals with some insane mechanics that would be tough to pull of on Switch.

The ToTK team has stated they're not at all intimidated by the thought of making a game more ambitious than ToTK. That to me screams to me another game that might be quite demanding on the next Switch. On top of that, I am not convinced that performance modes or high framerate modes are a standard of any kind on console.
 
What are we counting as H1 and H2? If we're going by calendar year, that means H1 is 1 January 2024 to 30 June 2024 and H2 is 1 July 2024 to 31 December 2024, but if we're going by Japanese fiscal year, H1 is 1 April 2024 to 30 September 2024 and H2 is 1 October 2024 to 31 March 2025.
 
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I assumed #TeamH1 vs #TeamH2 was going by calendar year. Which puts me in the awkward place of thinking this thing is dropping in Summer 2024, which is smack dab in the middle of both.
 
redmutineer75 said:
What are we counting as H1 and H2? If we're going by calendar year, that means H1 is 1 January 2024 to 30 June 2024 and H2 is 1 July 2024 to 31 December 2024, but if we're going by Japanese fiscal year, H1 is 1 April 2024 to 30 September 2024 and H2 is 1 October 2024 to 31 March 2025.
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We're going by calendar year.
 
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I think Switch 2 is H2 but they are trying to get it out as soon as possible so May/June could be in the cards, if it doesnt make it to June I think the earliest it can release is September. July-August are bad months for console releases
 
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