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Interesting tweet for Kamiya to post soon after the news... (mild NSFW I guess?)
"I just noticed that my pants are torn to a degree I've never seen before..."
He was shitting bricks when he saw the offer from NetEase.
Interesting tweet for Kamiya to post soon after the news... (mild NSFW I guess?)
"I just noticed that my pants are torn to a degree I've never seen before..."
I'm not saying that their GaaS initiative wasn't a part of their self publishing initiative at all. But more that the two - Kamiya calling for self publishing and Platinum wanting GaaS games - aren't incongruent. The former can easily be true without Kamiya necessarily being the deciding factor for the latter. After all, there's a reason the first set of self published games were Kamiya's.I think if the live servie / GaaS focus wasn't a part of the self-publishing, they wouldn't have had to say this as a part of their restructuring.
If it was just "grunt" work, like it was for Babylons Fall, it would've been something P* has been doing for a while now.
After all, they wanna own the IPs they create. The Gaas / live service stuff is definetly a part of this.
Man, this just makes me think about how Platinum's REALLY not in a good shape as of late. The last game of theirs I really liked came out 10 years ago
Curious, is this something you are able to share further as to why he may have left, or is that not something you can share without jeopardising your sources?He's clearly pissed and something (maybe GG cancellation) made him want out ASAP.
Besides GaaS could be seen as a necessary "evil" for cash flow, and there's nothing inherently uncreative about GaaS games
Curious, is this something you are able to share further as to why he may have left, or is that not something you can share without jeopardising your sources?
Alternatively, do you think this is something that will develop further in the future, or not because NDA’s will stop people from talking?
I'm fairly sick so let me rephrase that.The last three games they worked on were bayonetta 3, cereza and the lost demon and as support for ff16.
I think saying that's not good shape isn't particularly fair.
Now, their short lived delve in to self publishing stuff, which Kamiya certainly appeared to be pushing for, didn't go so well, and if they're going to double back down on working with Nintendo and Square projects for the foreseeable future, that'd certainly explain Kamiya leaving to try elsewhere (and a netease bag may well be involved)
There are other higher up on platinum, Takao Yamane, he comes from nintendo and enter platinum last year as vicepresidentHe's one of the founders, and literally the vice-president of P* right now.
The only higher up would be Inaba, and i doubt Inaba would've actively and openly gone against Kamiya.
If anything, the PR released by P* reads like they didn't want him to leave.
Kamiya has had 2 failed games, 1 cancelled game, and what's about to be another cancelled game in the span of 10 years. I agree with what you're saying that GaaS is a risky market, but again, I think it's much more likely Platinum had to start getting stricter with Kamiya in general and that's why he left. Rather than some moral outrage at GaaS due to "uncreativity". If anything, the fact that the company has to rely on publishers to get anything done was probably a bigger concern to Kamiya's creativity.But i think it's been pretty obvious that recently, there's more GaaS failing hard than making big money. Unless you're company name is Hoyoverse.
i don't see how it wouldn't be canceled. it was kamiya's project and his first one in a long time as the director, and it's not something that was going to make a lot of money.Nani? Maybe Project G.G got canned?
There are other higher up on platinum, Takao Yamane, he comes from nintendo and enter platinum last year as vicepresident
Kamiya has had 2 failed games, 1 cancelled game, and what's about to be another cancelled game in the span of 10 years. I agree with what you're saying that GaaS is a risky market, but again, I think it's much more likely Platinum had to start getting stricter with Kamiya in general and that's why he left. Rather than some moral outrage at GaaS due to "uncreativity". If anything, the fact that the company has to rely on publishers to get anything done was probably a bigger concern to Kamiya's creativity.
But I guess there's not much else to say on this topic so we don't have to speculate further.
Nani? Maybe Project G.G got canned?
It's a gut feeling, sure, but i don't think he wants to join Nintendo.
And frankly, i think he's too difficult to handle for Nintendo to even actively think about going after him.
I could see him going to NetEase.
I don't really get how that was what you got out of my post? The outrage was just a joke because it's Kamiya. I also never said you said it was the single reason.Yamane is vice-president, too. I don't think him also being CBO puts him above Kamiya.
I don't even know where i ever said it was outrage due to uncreativity???
I just said that Kamiya is prolly someone who's more into meaty single player games like Bayonetta or Astral Chain (i know the latter isn't from him), and that he might not have liked the change of focus to GaaS.
I also never said it was the single reason he left?
Yamane is vice-president, too. I don't think him also being CBO puts him above Kamiya.
I don't even know where i ever said it was outrage due to uncreativity???
I just said that Kamiya is prolly someone who's more into meaty single player games like Bayonetta or Astral Chain (i know the latter isn't from him), and that he might not have liked the change of focus to GaaS.
I also never said it was the single reason he left?
I agree with this, but I would also see him working as a freelance for external companies like them with no problem. He said several times that he owes much gratitude to Nintendo for giving the Bayo series a real chance (despite the IP rights being hold by SEGA), instead of a Scalebound scenario (and maybe now G.G.?).
Not saying like he is extremely essential for the series production, he isn't even the director of Bayo2&3 but I can't think of ruling out his future involvement.
Yes, but since Yamane's entry on the high chairs, Inaba had made a policy change and was talking about making Platinum rely more on Nintendo (which surely helps the fact that only their latest games with Nintendo are the ones that work well).
While Kamiya, I imagine, preferred to continue with his independence of working on what he wants and how he wants.
Depends, if he indeed does start a studio under NetEase or Tencent, i don't think he would do any work for a theoretical new Bayonetta game, no matter how small.
Same if he joins another pub/dev ... like if he in theory would rejoin Capcom for example.
I wonder if he was up to being a freelancer ... though after so many years in the business, he might prefer heading a studio of his own again.
I'm not saying that Nintendo sees Kamiya as a problem. Only that Kamiya was the main defender of initiatives like Platinum 4 and self-publishing, and since last year the Platinum leadership has been shifting from wanting self-publishing to wanting to rely more on Nintendo.Depends, if he indeed does start a studio under NetEase or Tencent, i don't think he would do any work for a theoretical new Bayonetta game, no matter how small.
Same if he joins another pub/dev ... like if he in theory would rejoin Capcom for example.
I wonder if he was up to being a freelancer ... though after so many years in the business, he might prefer heading a studio of his own again.
Dunno, i feel like Nintendo was part of a lot of "Kamiya friendly" happenings at P*.
"Reviving" Bayonetta, his baby even if he stepped back a bit in 2 and 3.
(Wanting to add Nintendo and Sega giving P* the time after Bayo 3 had so much problems in the beginning)
Allowing them to do the multiplatform W101 ports, Nintendo co-owns (or co-owned ... i don't know anymore) the IP.
Giving them the chance to do a Star Fox game.
Generally keeping the company "busy" by doing quite a few project with them.
Don't think Nintendo would've demanded or would demand Kamiya to stop working on stuff he wants and do things for them within P*.
they are??? first I'm hearing of itKamiya is a free thinker. I don't think he would work for Netease, Tencent or other companies that only are extended arms of the corrupt Chinese government.
whether he ends up working for netease/tencent or not won't have anything to do with them being chinese companies with ties to the government.Kamiya is a free thinker. I don't think he would work for Netease, Tencent or other companies that only are extended arms of the corrupt Chinese government.
he hasn't been heavily involved in most of platinum's biggest hits other than being a supervisor. they will be fine, and may even be better off not having to spend time on his passion projects.That's a wrap. Platinum Games games are only as good as the amount of involvement Kamiya has in them. I'm guessing they'll be mostly a support studio now.
I think this might turn out be true. Kamiya's ego and attitude haven't seemed to be that helpful in recent years.he hasn't been heavily involved in most of platinum's biggest hits other than being a supervisor. they will be fine, and may even be better off not having to spend time on his passion projects.
A lot of their biggest hits have been their worst games imohe hasn't been heavily involved in most of platinum's biggest hits other than being a supervisor. they will be fine, and may even be better off not having to spend time on his passion projects.
Even "freethinkers" need money to burn to make their thoughts and ideas into reality and make a profit out of them.Kamiya is a free thinker..
It won’t. Kamiya had stepped out of writing and directing since Bayo2hope this doesn't mean the end of the Bayo franchise
That's a wrap. Platinum Games games are only as good as the amount of involvement Kamiya has in them. I'm guessing they'll be mostly a support studio now.
PG grew by ~50% over the past 5 years and in that time opened two more studios, one in Tokyo and one in Fukuoka. It's entirely possible that the financial realities made it difficult for PG to work on the types of games Kamiya wants to make without a larger publisher backing it. Just how it goes.
Kamiya has had barely any input on their most successful games.That's a wrap. Platinum Games games are only as good as the amount of involvement Kamiya has in them. I'm guessing they'll be mostly a support studio now.
No way to know how much Tencent money went into their expansionWasn't that basically the Tencent (i think) investment they got?
I would argue his prestige is what drive the interest in the studio, and he is responsible for their best games if not their most successful. Without that prestige I doubt future games will be as successful.Kamiya has had barely any input on their most successful games.
Doesn't mean much if their current crop of games doesn't look to bring in money. One has to ask, how popular would an Ultraman inspired game really be with all the money thrown at it?Wasn't that basically the Tencent (i think) investment they got?
NeverHe’s going to Nintendo at last.
I think lately they sold Taura name more as PG representationI would argue his prestige is what drive the interest in the studio, and he is responsible for their best games if not their most successful. Without that prestige I doubt future games will be as successful.
which isn't as good of a sell, lolI think lately they sold Taura name more as PG representation