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Hermii said:
Wouldn't say it's obvious just because of that imo. It could go any direction.
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Right. It could be in vein of SMOdyssey (multiple but separate "settings")

I don't think Bowser's Fury necessarily means anything as to the direction of the next 3D Mario game.
 
Sol said:
Other than Mario and Mario Kart, what other franchises would be ready to go with a new entry in the first 24 months of Switch 2's life? It seems way too early for a new Smash, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc. And we won't be seeing a new Zelda until 2028 at the earliest.
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  • Something from MonolithSoft, be it a new IP, a Xenoblade X remake, or Xenoblade X2
  • Fire Emblem 4 remake from IntSys
  • A new 3D Kirby from HAL
  • Something from PlatinumGames, probably Astral Chain 2
  • Metroid Prime 4 from Retro Studios, and either Metroid 6 from MercurySteam or Prime 2+3
  • Something from from Next Level Games, probably Luigi's Mansion 4
  • Wind Waker/Twilight Princess re-releases and a new 2D Zelda
And some other stuff that isn't immediately coming to mind.
 
LiC said:
One thing I am certain of is that "Switch NG" is merely Activision's own terminology.
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Another point: If "NG" was the codename, why didn't Nintendo have that redacted? We saw several references to "Switch and any next-gen hardware," "in-development Switch model," "successor to the Switch," etc. so obviously Nintendo was fine with people referring abstractly to a sort of "Switch Next" as synecdoche for their upcoming hardware. But I doubt they would be fine with it if it actually included their own internal codename.
 
theguy said:
our resident masters of whispers have been particularly quiet this weekend…what it do bruh?
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Wouldn't be surprised if the event was a dud for leak news. It was pretty boring from a consumer perspective though that's one thing i'll say, huge sleeper...
 
Giancarlo said:
then what Nintendo was doing on the business sector of TGS?
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Showing off the same demos they showed off at Gamescom, but to different developers.

That's really all it is— worst case scenario, we get confirmation on pre-existing leaks, which is exciting in its own way. Best case scenario, we get that along with new details that paint a clearer picture of what we can expect from NG.
 
Concernt said:
Clock for clock, it could be comparable, but in reality, given power constraints and design, and all that, it's likely to be not quite next gen.

If say, Xbox One X's CPU is 1%, and Xbox Series S is 100%, NG Switch sits at around 60-80%.

Enough for most games not to worry too much, but not in quite the same ballpark as next gen home consoles.
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Honestly though that may not be super terrible.

For current-gen games that run at 30FPS, hardly any are limited by the CPU on the current-gen consoles.
 
This is just an educated guess but there's a chance we get some (more) concrete info of the happenings at TGS after the actual event.

Isn't that what happened with Gamescom? I mean there were rumblings but the actual reports came later.
 
Sol said:
Other than Mario and Mario Kart, what other franchises would be ready to go with a new entry in the first 24 months of Switch 2's life? It seems way too early for a new Smash, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc. And we won't be seeing a new Zelda until 2028 at the earliest.
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I hope a new Animal Crossing isn't too far away. It's been over three years since New Horizons. I could see a new entry in the first 24 months of the Drake.
 
just stating the obvious but Bowser's Fury seems like an experiment/prototype for a next-gen Mario because the Switch can't run it at 60fps or even a stable 30 (at times).

so you've got a concept (more open-worldness) that already has justificaiton for being NG exclusive. i think it's fair to guess a next-gen Mario will explore some sort of open worldness regardless of theme.
 
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RumHamRigRunner said:
This is just an educated guess but there's a chance we get some (more) concrete info of the happenings at TGS after the actual event.

Isn't that what happened with Gamescom? I mean there were rumblings but the actual reports came later.
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HankyPanky said:
just stating the obvious but Bowser's Fury seems like an experiment/prototype for a next-gen Mario because the Switch can't run it at 60fps or even a stable 30 (at times).

so you've got a concept (more open-worldness) that already has justificaiton for being NG exclusive. i think it's fair to guess a next-gen Mario will explore some sort of open worldness regardless of theme.
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exactly Bowser Fury seems as concept that can fully realized on Nintendo next hardware
 
HankyPanky said:
just stating the obvious but Bowser's Fury seems like an experiment/prototype for a next-gen Mario because the Switch can't run it at 60fps or even a stable 30 (at times).

so you've got a concept (more open-worldness) that already has justificaiton for being NG exclusive. i think it's fair to guess a next-gen Mario will explore some sort of open worldness regardless of theme.
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It’s 60 fps on docked
 
I already know Nintendo is going make some incredible looking games on this new system because they have to, so I'm interested to see what 3rd parties do on the system. I think my "now we are playing with power" on Switch NG from 3rd parties will be seeing Cyberpunk 2077 in handheld mode with raytracing at 30fps, or a performance mode 60fps version in handheld mode if possible. I hope Cyberpunk with the DLC is there at launch because I think it will be a great showcase title for the system. Is there any third-party games you're looking forward to playing/replaying on Switch NG that will wow you?
 
Concernt said:
Clock for clock, it could be comparable, but in reality, given power constraints and design, and all that, it's likely to be not quite next gen.

If say, Xbox One X's CPU is 1%, and Xbox Series S is 100%, NG Switch sits at around 60-80%.

Enough for most games not to worry too much, but not in quite the same ballpark as next gen home consoles.
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Awesome, thank you for the update.
 
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Mr.Gamerson said:
I already know Nintendo is going make some incredible looking games on this new system because they have to, so I'm interested to see what 3rd parties do on the system. I think my "now we are playing with power" on Switch NG from 3rd parties will be seeing Cyberpunk 2077 in handheld mode with raytracing at 30fps, or a performance mode 60fps version in handheld mode if possible. I hope Cyberpunk with the DLC is there at launch because I think it will be a great showcase title for the system. Is there any third-party games you're looking forward to playing/replaying on Switch NG that will wow you?
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RDR2, Cyberpunk, GTA VI, Sekiro, FF VII Remake (and Rebirth), Yakuza Like A Dragon and Like A Dragon Infinite Wealth, DmC V (and future VI), Elden Ring.

Which of these is really possible and what clues do we have?
 
Onizuka said:
RDR2, Cyberpunk, Sekiro, FF VII Remake (and Rebirth), Yakuza Like A Dragon and Like A Dragon Infinite Wealth, DmC V (and future VI), Elden Ring.

Which of these is really possible and what clues do we have?
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All of these are very possible other than maybe DMC6 (because DMC6 is 2028 at earliest and is probably going to be much later).

The issue here is just whether or not the devs are interested. I would expect Cyberpunk to come over as CD Projekt Red loves porting it and NVIDIA programmers are super familiar with the game, but I don't know if From or Rockstar are interested in porting RDR2 or Elden Ring and the Yakuza devs dislike Nintendo. Rockstar has given up completely on anything to do with Red Dead 2 because they were very unhappy at the lack of success of Red Dead 2 Online.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
All of these are very possible other than maybe DMC6 (because DMC6 is 2028 at earliest and is probably going to be much later).

The issue here is just whether or not the devs are interested. I would expect Cyberpunk to come over as CD Projekt Red loves porting it and NVIDIA programmers are super familiar with the game, but I don't know if From or Rockstar are interested in porting RDR2 or Elden Ring and the Yakuza devs dislike Nintendo. Rockstar has given up completely on anything to do with Red Dead 2 because they were very unhappy at the lack of success of Red Dead 2 Online.
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It would be great to have RDR2, Yakuza and GTA VI on Switch 2 (and Elden Ring, Sekiro).
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
All of these are very possible other than maybe DMC6 (because DMC6 is 2028 at earliest and is probably going to be much later).

The issue here is just whether or not the devs are interested. I would expect Cyberpunk to come over as CD Projekt Red loves porting it and NVIDIA programmers are super familiar with the game, but I don't know if From or Rockstar are interested in porting RDR2 or Elden Ring and the Yakuza devs dislike Nintendo. Rockstar has given up completely on anything to do with Red Dead 2 because they were very unhappy at the lack of success of Red Dead 2 Online.
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From a business perspective it makes sense to port those games to the switch, the switch is going to sold like 150 million consoles at lifetime, the switch 2 could a huge success and better to be early to the system than late
 
ILikeFeet said:
same thing they always do in the business section:
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Mr.Gamerson said:
I already know Nintendo is going make some incredible looking games on this new system because they have to, so I'm interested to see what 3rd parties do on the system. I think my "now we are playing with power" on Switch NG from 3rd parties will be seeing Cyberpunk 2077 in handheld mode with raytracing at 30fps, or a performance mode 60fps version in handheld mode if possible. I hope Cyberpunk with the DLC is there at launch because I think it will be a great showcase title for the system. Is there any third-party games you're looking forward to playing/replaying on Switch NG that will wow you?
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I totally expect successor's year one will be underwhelming in terms of third party content, but I do expect increased support from western publishers. Assassin's Creed Red is gonna shine on the successor, Ubi also could bring older AC games starting with Mirage. Ubi's other heavy-hitter, Star Wars Galaxies could sell best on the successor.
Onizuka said:
RDR2, Cyberpunk, GTA VI, Sekiro, FF VII Remake (and Rebirth), Yakuza Like A Dragon and Like A Dragon Infinite Wealth, DmC V (and future VI), Elden Ring.

Which of these is really possible and what clues do we have?
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I only expect three of those games to be on Switch successor.

Yakuza's problems with Nintendo is not hardware related so zero chance for it to be on successor.
Capcom didn't bother with DMC4 and DmC on Switch, they'll not bother with 5 and future games either. Don't be surprised if Capcom completely ignores the successor.
From's situation is very similar to ones above. If they didn't support Switch will enough, they won't support the successor either.

For RDR2, if the rumors are true, it still could get a miracle port for current Switch. I think chances are even increased after RDR 1 on Switch.
 
New games like GTA6, KH4, Monster Hunter Next, Resident Evil 9, and Assassin's Creed Red are more suggestive of how serious AAA third-party support will be for the Switch 2. We will see how it goes.
 
darthdiablo said:
(edit: learned Zippo is not to be trusted and is permabanned from here, so treat this accordingly)

Grain of salt and all that.

We know 3D Mario on Switch 2 is a near-certainty (duh). Talks about "open world" approach for the next 3D Mario game.

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Here we go. I know only a few things at this moment in time.

-Firstly, it's going to be our very first open world 3D Mario game. Given Zelda and Pokemon have taken the plunge, it was only a matter of time before the portly plumber did as well.

-This game will NOT be a sequel to Odyssey, so if you were expecting that, don't. This is going in an entirely different direction.

-I've been told the game looks "Absolutely jaw dropping." If you thought Mario Vs. Donkey Kong looked good, then you haven't seen anything yet. EPD Tokyo are about to blow people's fuckin' minds yet again.

-Lastly, this will be THE GAME for Nintendo next year. Mario will be a day one Switch 2 game, and I would bet serious amounts of money that this will be the very first game that we will see running on their shiny new system. This will be the first 3D Mario game to be a launch title since 1996's Super Mario 64, which means this is a big freaking deal. Expect a very strong launch lineup from Nintendo and third parties alike.
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Every single thing mentioned here is already what everyone's expecting for the next 3D game, lol.
 
Lancelot said:
Every single thing mentioned here is already what everyone's expecting for the next 3D game, lol.
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We expect the next 3D Mario to be open world? I haven’t heard that before.

Odyssey isn’t open world. The next 3D Mario could be the same approach Odyssey used, multiple “sub worlds” (hat world, food world, moon world etc)

That’s the distinction. But as was pointed out, Zippo is not to be trusted.
 
9-Volt said:
Yakuza's problems with Nintendo is not hardware related so zero chance for it to be on successor.
Capcom didn't bother with DMC4 and DmC on Switch, they'll not bother with 5 and future games either. Don't be surprised if Capcom completely ignores the successor.
From's situation is very similar to ones above. If they didn't support Switch will enough, they won't support the successor either.

For RDR2, if the rumors are true, it still could get a miracle port for current Switch. I think chances are even increased after RDR 1 on Switch.
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Well then I don't understand why Nintendo should lose that advantage over its competitors even when its consoles could get those Capcom games due to performance, (DmC V or future VI), I don't understand why Capcom would do that or why that hatred to Nintendo or that attitude with Nintendo.
I say the same thing about From Software or other developers, if the problem is not power or performance, why this attitude and hatred? What's the Nintendo point of fighting then for third party games?
 
Atlus said:
Why must we constantly go around in circles about chip size and their so-called specs.
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Because most of the regular commenters in this thread are chip/spec people. And constantly going around in circles has, periodically, turned up new stuff. I get that it can be annoying, but if you have speculation about new gimmicks, please, offer it.

Oh look, a post that connects the chip talk to new gimmick talk:

Thraktor said:
Firstly, I can't come up with any plausible explanation for why Nintendo would be working on machine learning approaches to computer vision that doesn't involve their new console, which is the first with dedicated ML acceleration hardware, having some kind of camera, whether built in or as an accessory.
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I can, actually, I think Nintendo has got ML hardware, they've been playing with it for a bit, and they like to experiment. And I suspect they'd love to sell some accessories, or work on some kind of revision of their hardware.

That said, I turned around on the controller argument when I realized that, to function as a standard bluetooth camera, a camera in the Joy-Cons would need the controller there as well


boomersooner2000 said:
What are the capabilities of the A78C ARM Cortex CPU that is rumored to be on Drake? As a RISC processor, can it be competitive with a Zen2 processor. Just curious as I find it fascinating to review opinions regarding the capabilities of Drake.
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Define competitive? Here is a representative benchmark. On the left is an 8 core Orin at 1.98GHz, so a related CPU at clocks in the neighborhood of what we might get. On the right is the PS 5.

redmutineer75 said:
Regarding the clock speed discussion, is Oldpuck's T239 calculator still accurate in this regard? Using the Korean leak numbers with a 1080p screen on TSMC 5nm, that's a battery life of around 3 hours, which would fit with the idea of it being around the V1 Switch battery-wise.
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I don’t actually remember how dated the power data is in there. But I don’t think anything has radically changed
 
darthdiablo said:
We expect the next 3D Mario to be open world? I haven’t heard that before.

Odyssey isn’t open world.

That’s the distinction. But as was pointed out, Zippo is not to be trusted.
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It was the expected transition considering how long they've been making linear, open zone games. Bowser's Fury heavily implies it as well, it's not really something that sticks out as a surprise.
 
Sol said:
Other than Mario and Mario Kart, what other franchises would be ready to go with a new entry in the first 24 months of Switch 2's life? It seems way too early for a new Smash, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc. And we won't be seeing a new Zelda until 2028 at the earliest.
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I can see these being all launch “window” games:
  • Metroid Prime 4
  • Monolith Soft new ip 🙏
  • First party gimmick game
  • 3D Mario
  • Mario Kart
  • Pokémon Spin off games (Dash, Mystery Dungeon, etc)
No new mainline Pokémon games. No mainline Pokemon remakes either. The Gamefreak Pokémon games always arrive latter in the generation after they accumulate the install base.

I expect massive AAA third party support this time even more than the Switch. This can run literally any current gen games. Question tho lies if they want to support it. I’m 99% positive Cyberpunk will be a launch window game because the Witcher 3 did so well on Switch. CD Projekt is still supporting Cyberpunk. I think they would want another launch of the game on a new console. Just to give the game more life from the extra marketing from Nintendo. Genshin will mostly make its debut as well. Elden Ring should be here too. Monster Hunter, Red Dead 2 etc.
 
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Lancelot said:
It was the expected transition considering how long they've been making linear, open zone games. Bowser's Fury heavily implies it as well, it's not really something that sticks out as a surprise.
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Well if that pans out (open world for next 3D Mario), I’ll be happy. I love the open world concept in BOTW and TOTK and think 3D Mario could shine on that front too
 
darthdiablo said:
Well if that pans out (open world for next 3D Mario), I’ll be happy. I love the open world concept in BOTW and TOTK and think 3D Mario could shine on that front too
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The only "new" hard to believe thing in there would be the visually jawdropping claims. Not saying it won't be, but a 60 FPS game by design can't be the best looking thing both in the short and long term, again it's Zippo so lol.
 
eye0h said:
Pretty common thought tbh. If not open world more open area levels.
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Odyssey is “open world area levels”. I would think that would be expected at minimum for the next 3D Mario.

A fully open world similar to BOTW and TOTK would be an evolution, one I’m looking forward to
 
Thraktor said:
It could be an accessory, but with how cheap basic camera modules are now, I suspect that adding the necessary hardware to connect a camera accessory would be almost as expensive as just adding the camera itself.
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Excellent post. I've been thinking about this too and the one issue I can see with it being a fixed camera attached to the device is it seriously limits docked mode camera use, I imagine Nintendo will want to utilise the camera in both modes and will likely be their gimmick for this generation. I won't get started on potential utility of computer vision in gaming because I won't stop.

Now I started thinking how Nintendo could overcome this issue in a very nintendo way, which would be simple, utilising existing approaches or tech in innovative ways. The solution I came up with was a removable camera module on the switch. A small rectangular module housing a camera and mic that clicks in at the bottom or top of the tablet using USB-C. For most setups where the switch is docked and facing forward that also works for docked, however the people who can't face the switch forward also need a docked option and this can be done via a sensor bar style dummy cradle with a simple USB-C Passthrough. Then a USB Cable from cradle to the dock. Nintendo could even sell spare camera modules for the users who want one stationary on top of the TV and don't want to keep detaching the one on their switch.

With regards to the node talk, I've taken a much simpler approach now.

There is no way that Nintendo is going to release a low powered, next generation handheld device that is supposed to last them an entire generation on a worse node than the existing current gen devices that draw 200W. With that said, there are likely only two or three nodes that are better than TSMC 7NM and Nvidia already has tons of capacity reserved on one of them.
 
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oldpuck said:
Yes, Nvidia has made multiple updates to how ultra performance mode performs. Here it is in Cyberpunk and here it is in Witcher III

Rich is currently testing an underclocked 2050M laptop to get better data here. We've spoken briefly about it, and he is definitely investing this very question.
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Interesting. A 2050M is basically an Option AGX in GPU speed--same amount of cores and roughly the same speed.

I will forever refer to 1440p as 2k. Just to mess with RedDredd and others.
Kenka said:
The Switch successor, judging by the rumoured screen specs, is bigger than the current one. In theory, it could pack a bigger battery, a bigger cooling system and a bigger SoC. But sadly, each of this element on its own with impact its price negatively.

The process node used doesn't just influence the SoC price, but also the quantity of copper used for the colling system and the size of the battery the unit is equipped with. These costs can add up quite a lot.


You might want to read that post: https://famiboards.com/threads/futu...-staff-posts-before-commenting.55/post-837732
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It doesn't address PS4 Pro GPU ( Polaris),which has mixed precision like Maxwell.

@miamoto You've given comparisons of PS4 base AMD GPU, but what shoot PS4 Pro's GPU that has mixed precision mode.. it's a lot closer to Zen 2, no?

oldpuck said:
Define competitive? Here is a representative benchmark. On the left is an 8 core Orin at 1.98GHz, so a related CPU at clocks in the neighborhood of what we might get. On the right is the PS 5.
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I'd be interested to see Orion AGX's 12 core A78E at 2.2Ghz go up against the AMD CPU's 8 core CPU at 3.5Ghz per core...

edit: still slower huh

12 core AGX Orion 2.2Ghz vs AMD 4700s 8 core at 3.5Ghz per core.

Edit: wait, why does it say one core and 12 threads? Wtf

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Multiverse said:
Mario needs to be 60fps. A new 60fps open-world game on a console? That sounds not possible. Ports at 60fps, well, yes. As we’ve heard from Gamescom.

I think they would want to push the visuals. I don’t think open world is possible. The world will be larger, for sure, but not an open one.
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It's certainly possible. If it's as complex as Totk on switch 1, I don't see why not. But Mario games don't need to be though. I think the most we'll get is something like Bowsers Fury, Odyssey, or Super Mario 64. They can expand on making the world's larger with little to no loading time between worlds, and a more complex physics system to enhance gameplay.

I expect most if not all Mario games to target 60fps. The boost from a78c will be enormous.

I'm more interested in seeing how far they can push it with other franchises like Zelda.
 
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Multiverse said:
Mario needs to be 60fps. A new 60fps open-world game on a console? That sounds not possible. Ports at 60fps, well, yes. As we’ve heard from Gamescom.

I think they would want to push the visuals. I don’t think open world is possible. The world will be larger, for sure, but not an open one.
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I don't know about that. Would it really need to be that dense? Mario doesn't need to have a billion detailed little rocks and foliage and individual blades of grass. Besides where the actual levels are, the open world can get away with being less detailed than most open world games and save processing power. Go look at Bowser's Fury, it's really just empty water for the most part between the platforming sections.
 
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