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Side note, I'm happy they're targeting Elder Scrolls 6 for 2026.
Starfield took so long because they heavily reworked their engine, and on top of that had society collapse right in the middle of devlopment. Now that all that is out of the way, I think the timeline they have is reasonable.

Game development is getting longer of course, but without COVID thowing a major wrentch in things, I think during this next generation we'll go back to a much better turnaround for games, at the very least an average 3ish years for a sequel instead of 5+ as has been common this past gen.
Hopefully this even applies to Nintendo and we can expect the next 3D Mario and Zelda to not take anywhere near as long as the upcoming Mario and Tears of the Kingdom.
i not sure if the next 3D Mario/Legend of Zelda would take less time to develop, EPD 8/3 always aim to surpass, to make the most impressive Legend of Zelda/Mario they could with the hardware they are working, you cant make a ambitous game in only in a 3 years development cycle,it take 4/5 year development cycle to make a ambitous game.
 
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Yeah but there's now additional context at least. Such as the date and that it wasn't actually "an email to Nintendo President Shunturo Furukawa" like that article states (though maybe other places did report the context correctly).
That's fair. But unfortunately, there was certainly a lot of misinformation about it the first time around, and it seems like we're replaying all the greatest hits again now, which is why I'm kind of pushing back on the idea of bringing this up as something new. Seems like it's just going to cause people to go through all the same misinterpretations and misreporting as last time, with the "bonus" of seeming more recent and relevant than other reporting from Gamescom etc.
 
I can't believe we are in the FTC point of discussion again. Like, it literally feels like going back in time. It's exhausting. The only thing that emails tell us is that Switch 2 will be more capable than current Switch and that it will be able to handle Call of Duty in one way or another. That statement is true whether the machine is 1 Tflop or 3 Tflops. Just stop.
 
This ABK info related to power of the NG Switch is only a guidance provided by Nintendo
Things changed by a wide margin since the last devkits was shared

Famiboards already ways ahead of any specs reporting that is being shared on outlets or prominent NVIDIA leakers nowadays
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Y'all seriously think Nintendo are gonna charge for patches?

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I'm not nearly as optimistic on this as some here are. I do expect backwards compatibility but I do not "expect" next gen patches for Switch games. I am hopeful for next gen patches but I am not expecting it. I think it would almost need to be baked into the compatibility layer. With MVG's Zelda BotW overclock video, and it seems relatively easy to unlock the framerate and increase resolution. If Nintendo were to do a full on 4K RayTraced build of Zelda TotK for example, I would not expect a free upgrade. It will either be a new stand alone release for SNG or Nintendo will charge a fee for the upgrade. In my mind, the most likely scenario is that backwards compatibility is pretty straight forward and we get no next gen patches. Zelda TotK could be a possible exception because a new 3D Zelda is likely give years off, so it will be the evergreen Zelda title for SNG.
 
This ABK info related to power of the NG Switch is only a guidance provided by Nintendo
Things changed by a wide margin since the last devkits was shared

Famiboards already ways ahead of any specs reporting that is being shared on outlets or prominent NVIDIA leakers nowadays
Next topic
Makes sense, from Nintendo perspective there isn't any reason to overpromise when having the baseline of PS4 is already enough to guarantee some ports from a lot of big publishers so it only gets better from there if they can actually deliver more.
 
DLSS is clearly in a league of its own. It’s especially noticeable when the native res is very low.



(The video here was on DLSS 2.x, further improved in 3.x)

This video should be mandatory watching before coming into this thread
Lol
 
the info isn't exactly new but the email itself was not published publicly until today
There is one "new" tidbit in that email. "It would be helpful to secure early access to development hardware prototype to prove that out nice and early"

The sentence right before that "given the closer alignment..." was repeated everywhere during the trial, and used to claim that Actiblinkered had access to devits and that they knew the system performance. During the trial, Kotick stated that they didn't have devkits, and that they didn't know the actual performance of the hardware.

This second sentence clearly explains that Kotick wasn't lying, and that all the overheated speculation during the trial based on that one sentence was silly.
 
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I can't believe we are in the FTC point of discussion again. Like, it literally feels like going back in time. It's exhausting. The only thing that emails tell us is that Switch 2 will be more capable than current Switch and that it will be able to handle Call of Duty in one way or another. That statement is true whether the machine is 1 Tflop or 3 Tflops. Just stop.
the media decided it was news again
 
The FTC claims are literally just the power target Nintendo told them the console would reach. Anyone that looked at the specs should already know why they'd rather say PS4/Xbox One, saying PS5/Series would be disingenuous and highly deceptive, even if Nintendo's own curated benchmarks show close results. It's just basic messaging, come on now.
 
Also, something we need to remember is that when we talk about Switch 2 power compared to other consoles, most of the time is just raw GPU power talk. With the data we have, we already know that the CPU will be miles ahead from the 8th gen, and we also have solid proofs that the storage will be faster and the amount of RAM bigger. Even if the GPU had the exact same Tflop count as PS4 (which in portable mode is possible), we still would be in front of a machine, in general, much more capable than PS4, even in the GPU front thanks to the modern architecture, RT and DLSS.
 
Also, something we need to remember is that when we talk about Switch 2 power compared to other consoles, most of the time is just raw GPU power talk. With the data we have, we already know that the CPU will be miles ahead from the 8th gen, and we also have solid proofs that the storage will be faster and the amount of RAM bigger. Even if the GPU had the exact same Tflop count as PS4 (which in portable mode is possible), we still would be in front of a machine, in general, much more capable than PS4, even in the GPU front thanks to the modern architecture, RT and DLSS.
wasn't the ps4's CPU outdated in 2013?
 
I have been thinking. Might it be possible that Nintendo opted for a configuration of 10 Ampere SM + 2 Maxwell SM for BC? If Drake is indeed using SEC8N, it might be possible that 10 SM at 500 MHz satisfy the power budget.
 
The FTC claims are literally just the power target Nintendo told them the console would reach. Anyone that looked at the specs should already know why they'd rather say PS4/Xbox One, saying PS5/Series would be disingenuous and highly deceptive, even if Nintendo's own curated benchmarks show close results. It's just basic messaging, come on now.
To add to this, power target = baseline and PS4 graphics isn't nowhere near a bad thing lol. This is basically telling me that the next Switch will have better 3rd party support and studios as talented as Monolith Soft will be able to develop a game with full HD visuals (no more 368p on handheld and greater resolutions with DLSS)!

Heck, it was even framed as a good thing for Steam Deck because it really is a good thing and this goes to show how far handheld gaming has come
 
I have been thinking. Might it be possible that Nintendo opted for a configuration of 10 Ampere SM + 2 Maxwell SM for BC? If Drake is indeed using SEC8N, it might be possible that 10 SM at 500 MHz satisfy the power budget.
nah. NVN2 wants 1536 ampere cores. maxwell cores would be useless to NVN2 and would sit unused
 
Next 3D Mario will most likely be exclusive to Switch 2 because it needs AAA 1st party exclusive content on it. Otherwise what’s the point of buying a Switch 2 if the game runs on Switch?
Better performance and easier to look at
I’ve been looking at some of the PS5 Games Remastered from PS4

Some evergreens like Spiderman required a paid upgrade ($10) if you had the PS4 disc.

Do we see Nintendo doing something similar for like let’s say BOTW ?
Absolutely. Or they could get people into it first by offering it for "free" or a discount price with a NSO subscription.

In this thread: people dooming, people dooming about dooming.

When are yall gonna catch up and start complaining about the people complaining about the dooming? 😂
I say we reply with, "Ok, Doomer. 😐"
 
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Man, I like this thread for many good reasons... But this constant dooming phase without a minimum of literacy to interpret new information is getting tiresome. If people are going to be so reactionary for the slightest breadcrumb, it kind of ruins the whole point.
Preach.
 
The old "new" news here pretty much confirmed key partners have been aware of the new switch since last year. They had dev kits for months now, which is also old news, but somehow the Gamescom demo made people think developers were only getting briefed about the new switch now and that the hardware is still "early" in the development. “Pre-hardware”.

"Nintendo still needs to tinker about battery and heat".
 
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the info isn't exactly new but the email itself was not published publicly until today
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From what I understand, they didn't yet have DevKits when the email was sent, and were speculating that the NG would have performance closer to the PS4, but in comparison to the Switch OG and not in comparison to the PS5.
 
How do we think Nintendo's software pipeline to hold up? This will be the first biggest jump they've made since the Wii U in 2012. Do we think it will slow down games even a little bit? Maybe they'll put a bit more focus on budget and mid range titles, maybe more remasters to keep the software flowing with a release every month? We've already seen development times for new heavy hitters slow down since moving to HD which is normal since this has happened to literally the whole industry and Nintendo last.
 
Nothing, really. T254 is a fantasy as regards Nintendo, it simply isn't happening as far as one can tell. It wouldn't even provide significant benefits...
You don’t know that, Blackwell is rumored to be a complete redesign of the entire architecture that nvidia has employed since Volta (Volta, Turing, Ampere and Lovelace are all based on Volta). We have yet to see how Blackwell performs. To be clear I’m not saying that they’re better off using blackwell, because we don’t know what it is going to be performance wise.
 
You don’t know that, Blackwell is rumored to be a complete redesign of the entire architecture that nvidia has employed since Volta (Volta, Turing, Ampere and Lovelace are all based on Volta). We have yet to see how Blackwell performs. To be clear I’m not saying that they’re better off using blackwell, because we don’t know what it is going to be performance wise.
Isn't Blackwell releasing in 2025 (or at best.. late 2024)?

Isn't that enough to tell you it's fantasy fanfic?
 
To add to this, power target = baseline and PS4 graphics isn't nowhere near a bad thing lol. This is basically telling me that the next Switch will have better 3rd party support and studios as talented as Monolith Soft will be able to develop a game with full HD visuals (no more 368p on handheld and greater resolutions with DLSS)!

Heck, it was even framed as a good thing for Steam Deck because it really is a good thing and this goes to show how far handheld gaming has come

The issue with comparing Switch 2 to handhelds like Deck/Ally is that Switch 2 needs to also be a home console which means running games at higher resolutions than something like the Deck won’t have any need for (you can use the dock but the Deck isn’t designed for gaming 1080p+ in big screens). So while the performance of the Deck can be great for a handheld it would be mediocre for a home console. (I know that the Switch in the end is a handheld like Deck/Ally but it’s sold and acts as more than that)
 
To add to this, power target = baseline and PS4 graphics isn't nowhere near a bad thing lol. This is basically telling me that the next Switch will have better 3rd party support and studios as talented as Monolith Soft will be able to develop a game with full HD visuals (no more 368p on handheld and greater resolutions with DLSS)!

Heck, it was even framed as a good thing for Steam Deck because it really is a good thing and this goes to show how far handheld gaming has come

It's a bad thing regarding third party support, actually. A device barely able to reach the PS4 would have worse support than the Switch 1 in its respective launch date, but again... That's not happening, Switch 2 will be far more capable even in handheld and docked mode is likely to go past PS4 Pro without breaking a sweat. Understimating and oveshooting the T239 are both equally bad.
 
How do we think Nintendo's software pipeline to hold up? This will be the first biggest jump they've made since the Wii U in 2012. Do we think it will slow down games even a little bit? Maybe they'll put a bit more focus on budget and mid range titles, maybe more remasters to keep the software flowing with a release every month? We've already seen development times for new heavy hitters slow down since moving to HD which is normal since this has happened to literally the whole industry and Nintendo last.
Judging by what’s currently announced for Switch, I think their pipeline will hold up well.

They might not have the exact steady cadence they had when they released Switch Gen1, but I still believe they’ll be using that as a template for Gen2. I think they’ll have a couple/few games available in the first month (alongside whatever ‘thirds’ that are ready,) and then will aim for a big first party release each month after that (be it a new Gen2 game or a Deluxe version of a previously released game.)
 
Edit : I'm stoopid dont bother reading
(I'm still 20 pages latency so maybe someone already adressed this)
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I'm not saying resources were taken away from 3D Mario.

I'm saying it's possible it just takes 8 years to make (likely due to constant reboots from aggressive playtesting new ideas)

It's possible it's ready for launch and possible that it's still a while away.
While I definitely think that we will have a 3D Mario at launch, considering historically they dont take that much time compared to, for examples, zelda,
BUT
I think it's worth entertaining the idea that the development of that new game hasn't been constant smooth sailing considering we have what basically amounts to confirmation that as of 2019, Nintendo was still considering making an Odyssey 2 kinda like Galaxy 2. By the time [Redacted] launches it will have been 5 years and I'm confident that's vastly enough to make the next Mario game but I wouldn't be surprised if it launched a few months after the console.

Little history here :
In 2019, someone on 4chan posts a leak. Photos of a screen where you can see a survey of what games they would find interesting, what title they'd prefer and that kinda stuff. And it included a new 3D Sonic as well as a new 3D Mario. We don’t know the details surrounding this survey, where and when did it take place exactly.

Nobody cared. It looked super fake, and nobody thought game studios would actually leak information about what they consider in surveys, even controlled ones.

BUT

Fast forward to 2022, when Sonic Frontiers has been revealed and some details known. This leak resurfaced because unexpectedly, it was real. It got everything right. And I don’t mean vague stuff like "it's an open world". The leak predicted stuff that is simply unguessable because way too specific. For example, it leaked the game took place on the Starfall Islands, a place introduced with Frontiers. That name had never been in any Sonic media prior. You can't just guess the name of a brand new location like that.
Obviously all other details were on point but i'm not gonna dwell on that you got the point. This predicted à lot of very specific details 3 YEARS before the public got to know them.

Why does it matter ?

Because it basically confirms the leak is for real. WHICH MEANS
The info about Odyssey 2 very probably also is.
 
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It's a bad thing regarding third party support, actually. A device barely able to reach the PS4 would have worse support than the Switch 1 in its respective launch date, but again... That's not happening, Switch 2 will be far more capable even in handheld and docked mode is likely to go past PS4 Pro without breaking a sweat. Understimating and oveshooting the T239 are both equally bad.
It's not a perfect analogy, no console comparisons are. But (handheld
mode) if the Switch is a PS3 with PS4 architecture, then this will be a PS4 with PS5 (+) architecture. That's how like its predecessor
, it will be able to punch above its weight and get ports of games PS4 woudnt be able to.
 
Hmm. Yes, I'd say I do. As sure as we can measure anything, at least.
no, you don’t.
Isn't Blackwell releasing in 2025?

Isn't that enough to tell you it's fantasy fanfic?
Please do read my post carefully, you’re focusing on something I never said nor mentioned, ie the timing of Blackwell. Do focus on what I’m getting at, that no one here knows anything about the way Blackwell performs. “it wouldn’t even provide significant benefits” comes from the position that you know the architecture and its shortcomings and its strengths, the design, how efficient it is, the layout, the configuration etc.

No one here knows anything about Blackwell, not even I. To already have an opinion on something we know nothing about is misguided and myopic.
 
no, you don’t.

Please do read my post carefully, you’re focusing on something I never said nor mentioned, ie the timing of Blackwell. Do focus on what I’m getting at, that no one here knows anything about the way Blackwell performs. “it wouldn’t even provide significant benefits” comes from the position that you know the architecture and its shortcomings and its strengths, the design, how efficient it is, the layout, the configuration etc.

No one here knows anything about Blackwell, not even I. To already have an opinion on something we know nothing about is misguided and myopic.
Well, you were responding to a comment with "T254 is a fantasy as regards Nintendo"

Make sure you clarify next time because we couldn't tell if you felt like Blackwell is not completely off the table "in regards to Nintendo"
 
(I'm still 20 pages latency so maybe someone already adressed this)

While I definitely think that we will have a 3D Mario at launch, considering historically they dont take that much time compared to, for examples, zelda,
BUT
I think it's worth entertaining the idea that the development of that new game hasn't been constant smooth sailing considering we have what basically amounts to confirmation that as of 2019, Nintendo was still considering making an Odyssey 2 kinda like Galaxy 2. By the time [Redacted] launches it will have been 5 years and I'm confident that's vastly enough to make the next Mario game but I wouldn't be surprised if it launched a few months after the console.

Little history here :
In 2019, someone on 4chan posts a leak. Photos of a screen where you can see a survey of what games they would find interesting, what title they'd prefer and that kinda stuff. And it included a new 3D Sonic as well as a new 3D Mario. We don’t know the details surrounding this survey, where and when did it take place exactly.

Nobody cared. It looked super fake, and nobody thought game studios would actually leak information about what they consider in surveys, even controlled ones.

BUT

Fast forward to 2022, when Sonic Frontiers has been revealed and some details known. This leak resurfaced because unexpectedly, it was real. It got everything right. And I don’t mean vague stuff like "it's an open world". The leak predicted stuff that is simply unguessable because way too specific. For example, it leaked the game took place on the Starfall Islands, a place introduced with Frontiers. That name had never been in any Sonic media prior. You can't just guess the name of a brand new location like that.
Obviously all other details were on point but i'm not gonna dwell on that you got the point. This predicted à lot of very specific details 3 YEARS before the public got to know them.

Why does it matter ?

Because it basically confirms the leak is for real. WHICH MEANS
The info about Odyssey 2 very probably also is.
The survey would have been for or on behalf of Sega, who would not have known about Nintendo's plans. They were merely trying to see how their product would stack up against a hypothetical Nintendo alternative.
 
Little history here :
In 2019, someone on 4chan posts a leak. Photos of a screen where you can see a survey of what games they would find interesting, what title they'd prefer and that kinda stuff. And it included a new 3D Sonic as well as a new 3D Mario. We don’t know the details surrounding this survey, where and when did it take place exactly.

Nobody cared. It looked super fake, and nobody thought game studios would actually leak information about what they consider in surveys, even controlled ones.

BUT

Fast forward to 2022, when Sonic Frontiers has been revealed and some details known. This leak resurfaced because unexpectedly, it was real. It got everything right. And I don’t mean vague stuff like "it's an open world". The leak predicted stuff that is simply unguessable because way too specific. For example, it leaked the game took place on the Starfall Islands, a place introduced with Frontiers. That name had never been in any Sonic media prior. You can't just guess the name of a brand new location like that.
Obviously all other details were on point but i'm not gonna dwell on that you got the point. This predicted à lot of very specific details 3 YEARS before the public got to know them.

Why does it matter ?

Because it basically confirms the leak is for real. WHICH MEANS
The info about Odyssey 2 very probably also is.
It just sounds like it was a marketing survey put by Sega, so it seems more likely that the Mario Odyssey 2 example in said survey was a hypothetical.
 
(I'm still 20 pages latency so maybe someone already adressed this)

While I definitely think that we will have a 3D Mario at launch, considering historically they dont take that much time compared to, for examples, zelda,
BUT
I think it's worth entertaining the idea that the development of that new game hasn't been constant smooth sailing considering we have what basically amounts to confirmation that as of 2019, Nintendo was still considering making an Odyssey 2 kinda like Galaxy 2. By the time [Redacted] launches it will have been 5 years and I'm confident that's vastly enough to make the next Mario game but I wouldn't be surprised if it launched a few months after the console.

Little history here :
In 2019, someone on 4chan posts a leak. Photos of a screen where you can see a survey of what games they would find interesting, what title they'd prefer and that kinda stuff. And it included a new 3D Sonic as well as a new 3D Mario. We don’t know the details surrounding this survey, where and when did it take place exactly.

Nobody cared. It looked super fake, and nobody thought game studios would actually leak information about what they consider in surveys, even controlled ones.

BUT

Fast forward to 2022, when Sonic Frontiers has been revealed and some details known. This leak resurfaced because unexpectedly, it was real. It got everything right. And I don’t mean vague stuff like "it's an open world". The leak predicted stuff that is simply unguessable because way too specific. For example, it leaked the game took place on the Starfall Islands, a place introduced with Frontiers. That name had never been in any Sonic media prior. You can't just guess the name of a brand new location like that.
Obviously all other details were on point but i'm not gonna dwell on that you got the point. This predicted à lot of very specific details 3 YEARS before the public got to know them.

Why does it matter ?

Because it basically confirms the leak is for real. WHICH MEANS
The info about Odyssey 2 very probably also is.
Multiple others have pointed out that market research like that often includes fake or theoretical games for comparison. That's what Odyssey 2/3D Mario was in that survey.
 
Well, you were responding to a comment with "T254 is a fantasy as regards Nintendo"

Make sure you clarify next time because we couldn't tell if you felt like Blackwell is not completely off the table "in regards to Nintendo"
It already said this: To be clear I’m not saying that they’re better off using blackwell, because we don’t know what it is going to be performance wise

I’m focusing on the performance aspect and I’m already saying they aren’t going to use Blackwell.
 
Yeah, this isn’t it chief.

If T254 is really Blackwell instead of even Atlan or Hopper, that means that it’s a chiplet design according to Kopite. That just seems very very unlikely to me that they’d use a future GPU arch aimed at desktops as well for the next Switch. Way too over-engineered for what Nintendo needs. Not that it won’t benefit PC gamers in the near future but it’s just too ‘early-adopter’ so to speak for Nintendo to want to include a chiplet design on the next Switch.
To be clear, Blackwell is the architecture. Atlan is a SoC. Hopper is an architecture that already released (it is in the H100 GPUs). That doesn’t mean it will come to the switch next though, but just clarifying something.


Also why are there 5 new pages, what happened
 
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