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Skittzo said:
The really fantastic thing about DLSS is that it can be updated with new functions and features and efficiency just from software updates. So a 2030 Switch 2 will be a good deal stronger than a 2024 Switch 2, just by virtue of improved DLSS.
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Considering Nvidia is still supporting 2000s series RTX GPUs with funky hardware, we can assume other software solutions down the line will be used to enhance the Switch with new features. What those new features are though are entirely up in the air.

Still, good to know that the system won't be outdated as quickly as it can be.
 
Josh5890 said:
Final Fantasy XVII will be a Switch 2 exclusive at launch.
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SQEX couldn't even be arsed to natively port the PS2 KH games on Switch. So of course FF XV Cloud Edition it will be.

;]

Ashen_foefoe said:
Quite a lot of People heard the same stuff, they were just waiting for someone else to spill the beans so the ninjas wouldnt get them
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Anything you want to add? ;D

I'm just kidding.
 
epicmartin7 said:
Oh damn. Is there gonna be hardware dedicated to DLSS built into the Switch 2?
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It seems so, the scrapped Switch Pro (code name Drake) is supposed to be using Ampere chip (IIRC or T239 chip) which is capable of running DLSS. There is no reason Switch 2 (or whatever the name) is going to be lower than this.

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Skittzo said:
We have not once had any indication that the Drake chip (the name for T239, not the name for a scrapped Switch pro) was in any way going to be used for any model besides this coming one.

In fact the leaks showed us Nvidia's entire pipeline for Tegra and T239 is literally the only possible chip this new Switch can be using.
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Thinking about how this guy is about to have the absolute best days of his entire life with the entire NintendoRTX floodgates opening for him


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StephenNParker said:
It seems so, the scrapped Switch Pro (code name Drake) is supposed to be using Ampere chip (IIRC or T239 chip) which is capable of running DLSS. There is no reason Switch 2 (or whatever the name) is going to be lower than this.
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Switch 2 is Drake btw 😬 People think that the Switch Pro (which was evidentily first supposed to be the OLED at one point through some analysis of whats inside the hardware) would've just used a beefed up TX1 and be able to achive 4k
 
StephenNParker said:
It seems so, the scrapped Switch Pro (code name Drake) is supposed to be using Ampere chip (IIRC or T239 chip) which is capable of running DLSS. There is no reason Switch 2 (or whatever the name) is going to be lower than this.
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We have not once had any indication that the Drake chip (the name for T239, not the name for a scrapped Switch pro) was in any way going to be used for any model besides this coming one.

In fact the leaks showed us Nvidia's entire pipeline for Tegra and T239 is literally the only possible chip this new Switch can be using.
 
Simbinha said:
Thinking about how this guy is about to have the absolute best days of his entire life with the entire NintendoRTX floodgates opening for him
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MARIO WiiU resting after seeing the most beautiful water he's ever seen in a game when Switch 2 releases:
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Bonejack said:
SQEX couldn't even be arsed to natively port the PS2 KH games on Switch. So of course FF XV Cloud Edition it will be.

;]



Anything you want to add? ;D

I'm just kidding.
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Can’t wait for FINAL FANTASY XV Royal Edition Plus Ultra Deluxe Edition for Nintendo Switch 2

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Winding back just a bit to the naming subject, the Nintendo PowerSwitch is definitely something I can see Nintendo using.

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Back to Switch 2 current discussion, I wanted to add a piece of speculation:
Since the OG Switch was meant to be revealed on September, if the Switch 2 is coming March 2024, maybe a September reveal is possible?
 
Skittzo said:
We have not once had any indication that the Drake chip (the name for T239, not the name for a scrapped Switch pro) was in any way going to be used for any model besides this coming one.

In fact the leaks showed us Nvidia's entire pipeline for Tegra and T239 is literally the only possible chip this new Switch can be using.
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Just to double check, what's the core count for the system (if we know it)?

I want to see if i can compare it to another Desktop (or laptop) Nvidia GPU
 
I would have thought by now we would have been getting a clearer answer on BC, the fact noone feels confident enough to report if it does or doesn't concerns me.
 
From all the DLSS talk, holy shit. This might be the first Nintendo console in a long time that has parity with new-gen stuff. That's crazy as heck.
 
Sorry if this has been brought up already. DLSS 3 frame generation is exclusive to Ada Lovelace or RTX 40 series cards; all other forms of DLSS including DLSS 3.5 ray reconstruction work on all RTX cards since the Turing or RTX 20 series. Cards older than Ada Lovelace do use DLSS 3 since it does pack super resolution and anti-aliasing features just no frame generation.

For example I have an RTX 3070 using the Ampere architecture. I can use everything up to DLSS 3.5 including DLSS 3 without frame generation.

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Things hit different when the fringe rumor includes names of the software it can theoretically run behind closed doors.

Still treating this as a rumor until 2024 says otherwise. I doubt any possible showing at TGS2023 (if at all) will be for the eyes of the public. Get the feeling that it's best to wait until after Christmas to show their hand.
 
carbvan said:
Can you personally speak anymore about what version of DLSS they're using? These articles don't seem to be 100% positive and 2.0 vs 3.0 or even 3.0 vs 3.5 is a big deal.
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3.1 was only thing shared with me to be honest, 3.5 should be available as we don't have any impeditive hardware level to achieve this
 
kvetcha said:
12 SMs.
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Ah, thanks.

Looking into it, that's pretty much on-par with the 3050/ti and the 4050 laptop GPUs. There's probably a lot more information to know and more that goes into it, but that's what i have.

Still, not bad for a handheld tablet.
 
SoldierDelta said:
Just to double check, what's the core count for the system (if we know it)?

I want to see if i can compare it to another Desktop (or laptop) Nvidia GPU
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1536 CUDA cores IIRC. Which is 128 cores per SM for 12 SMs.
necrolipe said:
3.1 was only thing shared with me to be honest, 3.5 should be available as we don't have any impeditive hardware level to achieve this
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IIRC 3.5 was only released relatively recently, like weeks back. So it may just be that they didn't have time to update it to that.
 
Skittzo said:
The really fantastic thing about DLSS is that it can be updated with new functions and features and efficiency just from software updates. So a 2030 Switch 2 will be a good deal stronger than a 2024 Switch 2, just by virtue of improved DLSS.
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Well not really, DLSS need tensor cores. The better those are, the better DLSS works. And the DLSS 3 feature, frame generation, needs specific hardware (only available on their 40serie cards).

So even if Switch2 is based on Ampere, I really hope the rumors are true and that Nvidia and Nintendo made it as future proof as possible with some mix-up Lovelace tech, like 4th gen tensor cores.

That will makes the difference it the long run, much more than just raw power.

A refined version of frame generation could be handy too, I've still have some hopes about that. If it can work more efficiently at 30fps, it would be huge.
 
If the Switch 2 hits PS4 levels without tensor cores (very up in the air but will see), then the Switch 2 is capable of doing TLOU2 and Red Dead 2 type games at 4K.

How comparable you view that to the PS5/Xbox Series S|X is up to you.
 
syrozz said:
Well not really, DLSS need tensor cores. The better those are, the better DLSS works. And the DLSS 3 feature, frame generation, needs specific hardware (only available on their 40serie cards).

So even if Switch2 is based on Ampere, I really hope the rumors are true and that Nvidia and Nintendo made it as future proof as possible with some mix-up Lovelace tech, like 4th gen tensor cores.

That will makes the difference it the long run, much more than just raw power.

A refined version of frame generation could be handy too, I've still have some hopes about that. If it can work more efficiently at 30fps, it would be huge.
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Yes, it needs specific hardware to run, but it can still be made much better via software updates on the same hardware. Ray reconstruction with 3.5 can run on all DLSS cards, for instance.
 
carbvan said:
Necrolipe just said he heard people say DLSS 3.1. Go catch up on reading the thread before shutting people down.
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3.1 does not automatically mean frame gen, frame gen is just an option included in 3.1. An option that requires RTX 4000 hardware unless the Switch 2 chip is very custom-designed.
 
ILikeFeet said:
nah, it is
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Well if we are talking about DLSS 3.1, it was still exclusive to lovelace and was only referring to frame gen.
The naming is confusing af so it doesn't mean much I agree, but still it gives me some hopes.

Frame gen has its drawbacks, but it could be still a good trade off to enable difficult UE5 ports.
I wish we get it on Switch2. We are already getting games with FSR in ultra performance mode on next gen console, upscaling with DLSS won't help much to close the gap.
 
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The best feature of Switch 2 will be developer support.
If they are confident in showing something like the Matrix UE5 demo running on this hardware, that tells me they are aiming for AAA 3rd party support again, not shying away from playing in the same league as Playstation/Xbox.

The newest AAA multiplatform-games, japanese developers not having to deal with Sony‘s shenanigans… that‘s what I‘m most excited about.
 
I wake up and see that GameXplain and GVG have each uploaded a video about Switch 2's power. I go to Twitter (I'm not calling it X) and see that it's trending. I come here and see that I'm five pages behind.

inhales

Oh dis gon be fun.
 
D36 said:
I wake up and see that GameXplain and GVG have each uploaded a video about Switch 2's power. I go to Twitter (I'm not calling it X) and see that it's trending. I come here and see that I'm five pages behind.

inhales

Oh dis gon be fun.
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TL : DR : H1 2024 deniers are seething

In other news, there's a bunch of other cool stuff to look through with a lot to speculate about. Have fun.
 
D36 said:
I wake up and see that GameXplain and GVG have each uploaded a video about Switch 2's power. I go to Twitter (I'm not calling it X) and see that it's trending. I come here and see that I'm five pages behind.

inhales

Oh dis gon be fun.
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Eurogamer's Tom Philips this morning: "Damn ... it's way too quiet right now. sips morning coffee"
 
vn265 said:
The best feature of Switch 2 will be developer support.
If they are confident in showing something like the Matrix UE5 demo running on this hardware, that tells me they are aiming for AAA 3rd party support again, not shying away from playing in the same league as Playstation/Xbox.

The newest AAA multiplatform-games, japanese developers not having to deal with Sony‘s shenanigans… that‘s what I‘m most excited about.
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What a timeline we're living in where Nintendo are out here providing a lifeline to developers tired of being lorded over by Sony
 
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Our resident indie developers can rejoice if the Matrix demo rumour is true.

It will very likely mean that Nanite and Lumen are supported on Drake.

That would be the real deal.
 
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