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There will not be a "TOTK Deluxe". There will be a next gen patch and a reprint.
I very strongly suspect they're being a bit cheeky with how they've worded these statements, and it wouldn't at all surprise me to see a Zelda segment showcasing more sky islands, a new big location or two, and some nifty new Zonai devices at the NG's presentation as an NG-exclusive expansion pack
 
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Duper Nintendo Switch.


Jokes Aside, I believe naming it just "Nintendo Switch 2" would be a strong statement. It would state : "we're not the Nintendo Wild Ride anymore, we just follow standards.". It's the follow up of maybe the most successfull Nintendo Machine every, and nothing more than that : Nintendo Switch 2.

Being THAT straightforward would already be a revolution, and something that would probably be appreciated by partners and devellopers, a token of good will that no, nintendo will not be making weird stuff after a success.
 
If Nintendo wants some 'oomph' in their console title they are free to name it Super, Ultra, Advance like how TV streaming boxes and phones are named, and make it really obvious it is next-gen. I'm sure people were confused by the Game Boy Advance but they were vastly outnumbered by the folks who understood 'yes, this is the new Game Boy that I need to play the new Pokemon'. Give people a little bit more credit.
Back then, it was easy to tell you needed to upgrade. A single screenshot of Ruby/Sapphire was enough to communicate that those games wont run on the same thing you're playing GSC. The graphical jump was massive and it was clear just from looking at it.

Nowdays that's no longer the case. We arent getting those massive graphical jumps, just incrimental upgrades that it can be hard to tell what can and can not run on the current system (Heck, we had so many comments of people thinking Tears of the Kingdom looked too good to run on Switch). The games can't speak for themselves anymore so Nintendo has to find other ways to communicate that "this is the next gen"
 
That would be a stab in the back in all the TOTK Switch buyers, big doubt on this one
If you are referring to Drake exclusive TotK content. . . Eh not really? I would guess that special edition console buyers already have a Switch console (who is buying a TotK Switch and TotK who hasn't already played BotW on the Switch) and know that a new generation may be around the corner. I know I certainly bought the TotK OLED with eyes wide open about a potential Drake launch in 202X.

Nintendo has also released two (three? 2.5?) Zelda games with content for the new console with Links Awakening DX and the Oracle series with GBA content. So it's not crazy as a concept.

Is it likely? No idea.
 
If only that worked for the Wii U. People liked the Wii, right? Surely they would have bought anything with the Nintendo and Wii name on the box.
The most prominent elements on the front of the Switch box are the logo, the 'Switch' name, and a picture of the console. The brand is extremely strong, I never hear anyone calling it a 'Nintendo Switch' in real life, just 'Switch'. And I haven't heard a single suggestion in these past seven years that is as cute, concise, and clear.
Wii U has the issue presenting itself in such a way that it looks and sounds like an extension to the console rather than a new console on its own, both in name and how it was advertised. If it was called "Wii 2" or "Nintendo Universe" or somethin, a lot more people would've gotten the point that its a shiny new nintendo.

Its also worth noting that there has never been a nintendo console that has continued a brand name and outsold the previous generation. They still sold decently outside of the Wii U don't get me wrong, but nintendo attracts a much more "casual/family" market than the other 2 major console companies, and those people would be more likely to be confused by something like "Super Switch"

The "Nintendo" already carries the brand name enough in the same way "Playstation" does for the sony consoles. If valve or lenovo released the "Switch" instead not many people would've cared for it because its not "Nintendo"
 
Just saying: Nintendo is not allowed to announce prices in Europe.
Remember the Nintendo Switch Presentation before launch in 2017 when they basically just said the prices in Japan, Americas and then Europe they just go "please check with your local retailer".
Why? Just curious, this is something I was unaware of.

How much does Tegra X1 save by disabling screen, sensor and speakers when docked? Must be at least 2-3 watts at the most?
No idea, just because there aren't any real numbers out there, but I would bet that 3W would be the max.


Switch 2 is so boring. It just feels like Nintendo shrugging and falling in line with Sony.
Nintendo's names - even when they haven't been successful - are about communicating the appeal of the console. I don't think it's falling in line with Sony to say "this is the next Switch" if that is the core pitch.

Not convinced it is the core pitch, or that will be the name. We're so deep in the performance conversation here, and we're so "core gamer" oriented, it's hard for us to imagine an alternative pitch. I wasn't involved in the Extremely Online Wii Successor game, but in my casual conversations with friends, we all assumed the same things. The Wii U would kill the sensor bar, that would be the huge innovation. Make it HD, make the motion controls more accurate, give me a second stick - oh yeah, and glasses free 3D, because that was an obvious nintendo tech, and because those TVs were actually being manufactured, they were Clearly The Future.

That's what drives me crazy about the Naming Debate that springs up here - a group of tech nerds in Plato's Cave trying to name a product based on the shadow its SOC makes on the wall.
 
Nintendo's names - even when they haven't been successful - are about communicating the appeal of the console. I don't think it's falling in line with Sony to say "this is the next Switch" if that is the core pitch.

Not convinced it is the core pitch, or that will be the name. We're so deep in the performance conversation here, and we're so "core gamer" oriented, it's hard for us to imagine an alternative pitch. I wasn't involved in the Extremely Online Wii Successor game, but in my casual conversations with friends, we all assumed the same things. The Wii U would kill the sensor bar, that would be the huge innovation. Make it HD, make the motion controls more accurate, give me a second stick - oh yeah, and glasses free 3D, because that was an obvious nintendo tech, and because those TVs were actually being manufactured, they were Clearly The Future.

That's what drives me crazy about the Naming Debate that springs up here - a group of tech nerds in Plato's Cave trying to name a product based on the shadow its SOC makes on the wall.
I agree with you completely, I just think that 'slap a 2 on it' is an approach that more or less belongs to Sony. If Nintendo decides to iterate on the Switch brand, I think they will find an angle that is more consistent with their brand identity.
 
Why? Just curious, this is something I was unaware of.

I think they got a major fine from the EU for alledge price fixing. Basically telling retailers what price they have to put on the Nintendo products they sell.

Which, again i think, is not legal in the EU.

So they only give a suggested price, but retailers can set the price to whatever they want.
Which was basically the reason the Switch was at launch cheaper in France than ... say ... in Germany.
 
I somewhat agree with your point. While I was mocking them first too I tried to argue with their points and felt like when not looking to much into how they wrote their posts I could discuss with them in a normal manner where they even agreed with some things I wrote.

I suspected the member being young or not having a lot of experience on forums and tried them to calm down. I think ADHD wouldn‘t be necessarily a good excuse for this behaviour, when you know that you have it, then you usually also know ways to keep it in check. At least that is the case for me.

Though they continued to have new fights with everyone, even those who weren‘t really attacking them and that was the point for me to give up.

Still I also believe that we could be more welcoming to new members and like maybe we need to learn (myself included), that we don‘t need to reply everyone. Because it changes the whole dynamic of a thread really fast. Like for example if you dislike the posting style of @P4bl0 fine, but we don‘t need to constantly bring up their previous misteps or their ban.
 
Lend me your attention for a moment.

Bear with me ... and let yourself fully loose on this idea.

What instead of Switch 2 ....

It will be ... Switch²
 
Personally I am convinced of 2 things:

1.They will keep the Switch name not just because of the brand success, but also because this next console is a reiteration of the "switch" just like Gameboy -> Gameboy Advance and DS -> 3DS
2.They will absolutely never use numbers. that's just not how Nintendo does things, they will want to give the console a name that reflect it's own identity/appeal possibly based on whatever gimmick it may have.

So yeah, the name will definitely be "Switch __________". I just hope they can come out with a nice sounding name that clearly communicates that it's a successor to the switch.
 
In all likelihood it'll be something completely different that captures the essence of the concept of the machine. I don't think it's going to just be "Switch but better", there will probably be something related to AR or AI or something else.

Maybe:
Nintendo Switch IQ
Nintendo Omni
Nintendo Flex
 
I’ve been hearing that PS4/XB1 would be left behind since late 2021. And yet here we are.

PS4/X1 have hung around longer than expected, but now that the current gen consoles have built up a respectable userbase it only makes sense that more and more third parties will leave those old consoles in the past going forward. Maybe the idea of ten year generations isn't so unrealistic after all. PS4 and X1 still sell a lot of software and the Switch is still going strong in its seventh year on the market. With that said, at some point PS4/X1 will be left behind, and it seems to me this will be the last year they see a lot of support.
 
I think they got a major fine from the EU for alledge price fixing. Basically telling retailers what price they have to put on the Nintendo products they sell.

Which, again i think, is not legal in the EU.

So they only give a suggested price, but retailers can set the price to whatever they want.
Which was basically the reason the Switch was at launch cheaper in France than ... say ... in Germany.
Oh it was so much worse than that, they were accused of being part of a criminal enterprise behind manipulating markets and profiting massively through price gouging, trade disruption and retailer harassment, their quarter-billion fine was reduced by about a third after they cooperated and informed on their own distributor network collaborators, the European Commission has no patience for Nintendo which is why they're routinely investigated for one failing or another and that's why Nintendo immediately act to resolve whatever complaints have been made against them when they're made aware of impending EC action

But yeah, you would rarely find the products on shelves at the same price as Nintendo of Europe themselves list them, here Tears of the Kingdom is available for £47.99 or €59.99
 
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Switch: The Second One
Switch Next
Switch It Up
Switch Part 2
Switch: The Next Level
Switch Rises
Switch Returns
Switch: The Sequel
Sw-II-tch
2witch
 
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What I mean is, are they going to disable FSR for when you play these games on the Switch 2 because they'd run fine on the more powerful hardware, or are they gonna remove FSR and replace it with DLSS to easily get the games running in 4k.
So say you boot up Zelda TOTK on the Switch 2, natively it uses FSR but when you put it into the Switch 2, is it gonna keep the same FSR as the Switch 1 used for it, disable it and repalce it with DLSS, or just disable it fully and not worry about using any form of image reconstruction because it could just render the games nativly in 4k without breaking a sweat anyways, or are they gonna be silly and just keep the games running 900p/720p without updating it to run at a higher resolution when being played on the Switch 2. Imagine Switch 1 games still being 580p with dynamic resolution in Switch 2 portable mode 😬 So yeah, what kind of upgrades would the standard Switch title being played on the Switch 2 see, how many of them are gonna get a DLSS update, and so on.
The game will keep doing what it's currently doing unless it's patched. The only difference is that it may perform closer to its existing limits.

With a patch, it depends entirely on how much Nintendo wants to spend on doing it. They could simply change the settings, or they could do some deeper enhancements to better take advantage of the new hardware.
 

Club386: Why have you, in the first instance, limited AFMF [AMD Fluid Motion Frame] to RDNA 3-based GPUs by integrating the software technology into upcoming HYPER-RX, when overarching FSR is available on more generations?

SH [Scott Herkelman]:
We have to start somewhere. I can say we're exploring enablement for older generations. Do remember we're launching a few things close together – FSR 3, HYPER-RX, AFMF – and so we had to limit something by prioritising and focussing the teams. There is an exploration happening, so if there is good reception of AFMF and gamers believe it to be worthwhile, we'll take it to the next step and see if we can enable it on RDNA 2. If that goes well, then maybe older generations, too. For now, we're focussing on getting AFMF to market.

 
Nowdays that's no longer the case. We arent getting those massive graphical jumps, just incrimental upgrades that it can be hard to tell what can and can not run on the current system (Heck, we had so many comments of people thinking Tears of the Kingdom looked too good to run on Switch). The games can't speak for themselves anymore so Nintendo has to find other ways to communicate that "this is the next gen"
They are obviously not going to market this new system with graphical differences alone. It would be in conjunction with a console redesign, new name, marketing 4K capability and extra features, and emphasizing the exclusivity of new games. And even then I think there will be a striking difference in the graphical fidelity of a new 3D Mario. In the event that someone is genuinely confused and think Mario Universe is running on a current Switch, they would find out eventually as the only handheld footage or physical demo of Mario Universe would show it running on the new tablet, and the boxart would only feature the Switch Super / 2 logo. Would '2' be the most clear choice? Yes. But they are not dead in the water with some alternative naming. Even the GBA, with its obvious power leap, still made sure to be distinct in appearance and slam a 'Only For GBA' on its boxart to make it extra clear.
Wii U has the issue presenting itself in such a way that it looks and sounds like an extension to the console rather than a new console on its own, both in name and how it was advertised. If it was called "Wii 2" or "Nintendo Universe" or somethin, a lot more people would've gotten the point that its a shiny new nintendo.
The point is not to just make it clear it's a new console and attempt to avoid brand confusion entirely. Giving it an entirely new name like 'Flip' or whatever would be entirely abandoning the recognition and appeal of this name specifically. Nintendo did not choose this name solely to distance themselves from the Wii U. It means something in relation to the console's capabilities and is an accessible word to write and speak, while having a 'cuteness' factor. People know now for six years what the Switch is and what it can do. They are more likely to buy a new console in that line because of it. Introducing a new console with a different name that does the exact same thing would just invite confusion and necessitate building that brand up from scratch.

It worked for the DS because of having significant differentiation from the Game Boy, and because it was worthwhile to distance themselves from the Game Boy brand which was 'gendered' vs the more 'neutral' DS. And even then it was positioned as a third-pillar initially because of the Game Boy's popularity. They could have easily given the GBA a different name like Super Pocket Pal and I'm sure they considered it but realized it'd be better to coast off their success.

Its also worth noting that there has never been a nintendo console that has continued a brand name and outsold the previous generation. They still sold decently outside of the Wii U don't get me wrong, but nintendo attracts a much more "casual/family" market than the other 2 major console companies, and those people would be more likely to be confused by something like "Super Switch"

I don't think it matters to them as long as it still sells well. And I remain unconvinced that simply having a name like 'Super Switch' will confuse. If they named it that and it looked identical to the current Switch and the logo and boxart was poorly designed without emphasis on the Super part, sure. The name is only one part of the marketing, as you said, the Wii U projects itself as some kind of accessory and didn't do enough to differentiate itself.

The "Nintendo" already carries the brand name enough in the same way "Playstation" does for the sony consoles. If valve or lenovo released the "Switch" instead not many people would've cared for it because its not "Nintendo"

Yes, there is inherent appeal in the 'Nintendo' name. But Nintendo designing a Switch-like console and ending up giving it a different name is just giving themselves more work. There's a risk-benefit analysis here, and I think riding on the success of an existing name offers a lot more benefits. If the Switch brand stops being popular then by all means, name the next hybrid console something else. Otherwise I see no good reason to change it.

And if the concern is minimizing brand confusion, '2' is right there. I don't think it makes Nintendo uncreative to go with 2. The important thing is what comes before the '2' - 'Switch'.

In all likelihood it'll be something completely different that captures the essence of the concept of the machine. I don't think it's going to just be "Switch but better", there will probably be something related to AR or AI or something else.
I don't think this is likely. The Switch brand is flexible and they've already delivered AR games. They can easily define 'AR' as simply another function of the Switch like handheld, tabletop and docked. I'm not sure what could be done with AI to make the console so different. When Nintendo changed brands in the past there was some justification, even if the reason was 'people aren't into this brand anymore' or 'the name is getting clunky and unappealing' (e.g. N64 instead of NES 64 and GameCube instead of N128). I expect future Nintendo hardware that doesn't Switch like a standalone VR or AR headset to be named differently, of course.

It kind of feels like I'm the odd one out here. The Switch name is associated with a console that packs so many different features and types of games that I'm not sure there is any meaningful addition to justify changing the name. The name itself is neutral, easy to say, and clear, and it casts a wide net with no specific connotations other than 'hybrid console gaming with extras'. The only good reasons I can think of is if a future primary Nintendo console either doesn't Switch (a stupid decision) - or simply, if the Switch brand loses popularity. Nintendo has course corrected on so many decisions from the Wii U that I don't think risking this is worth it for them. While names are partly a creative decision, they want to make money at the end of the day.
 
You folks, always doing the naughty stuff when i'm away.

I'm unsure if it means you don't want me to join the fun, or if you want to protect precious old me.

;]



As i approach my 40th birthday with fast and long steps, this post gave me the shivers.
You can Still take fast long steps?
 
What would be the very first game you’d want to try if backwards compatibility also included enhancements? 60fps/higher res, for me it would have to be Pikmin 4 that game already looks beautiful and it would just be buttery smooth at 60.
Tears of the Kingdom, Xenoblade 3, and Astral Chain. Although AC has a low chance of it happened, especially with Bayonetta 3 being a thing.
 
Just saying: Nintendo is not allowed to announce prices in Europe.
Remember the Nintendo Switch Presentation before launch in 2017 when they basically just said the prices in Japan, Americas and then Europe they just go "please check with your local retailer".
Why? Just curious, this is something I was unaware of.
I think they got a major fine from the EU for alledge price fixing. Basically telling retailers what price they have to put on the Nintendo products they sell.

Which, again i think, is not legal in the EU.

So they only give a suggested price, but retailers can set the price to whatever they want.
Which was basically the reason the Switch was at launch cheaper in France than ... say ... in Germany.
The fine from the EU was for price fixing claims in the 90s.

I can't find a simple answer on if there are particular guidelines for advertising in the EU outside of the Price Indication Directive, so I would assume the lack of pricing is that member states can different tax rates, but that VAT is expected to be included so listing a price for every member state is less practical. A quick glance at Nintendo of Europe's local feeds seems like most of the content is just translated into local languages from the NoE feed.
 
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Honestly I'd want DLSS on such games regardless, as it's top-tier when it comes to quality AA. In portable mode, it could also improve battery life. Say the Switch Double has a 1080p screen and TOTK runs at a native 1080p60 on it. A mode that changes the resolution to 1080p DLSS Quality Mode would still look great and likely would not push the chip as hard, leading to less heat and battery drain.



To be clear, I meant "widespread use on the Switch XL". Those next-gen games will be very rough, though - I foresee low settings and internal 360p resolutions carried by DLSS, if the games come to the system at all.



It would be pretty sweet if the extra optimisation forced by Switch 2 has a knock-on effect of improving optimisation and performance on the home consoles.
Apologies for the double post, but didn't something like this happen for Cuphead? Iirc the Switch version runs the exact same as the original Xbox One version, but their work on the Switch version allowed them to bump up settings and resolution for the other systems as well.
 
I don't think this is likely. The Switch brand is flexible and they've already delivered AR games. They can easily define 'AR' as simply another function of the Switch like handheld, tabletop and docked. I'm not sure what could be done with AI to make the console so different. When Nintendo changed brands in the past there was some justification, even if the reason was 'people aren't into this brand anymore' or 'the name is getting clunky and unappealing' (e.g. N64 instead of NES 64 and GameCube instead of N128). I expect future Nintendo hardware that doesn't Switch like a standalone VR or AR headset to be named differently, of course.

It kind of feels like I'm the odd one out here. The Switch name is associated with a console that packs so many different features and types of games that I'm not sure there is any meaningful addition to justify changing the name. The name itself is neutral, easy to say, and clear, and it casts a wide net with no specific connotations other than 'hybrid console gaming with extras'. The only good reasons I can think of is if a future primary Nintendo console either doesn't Switch (a stupid decision) - or simply, if the Switch brand loses popularity. Nintendo has course corrected on so many decisions from the Wii U that I don't think risking this is worth it for them.
I'm not saying I think it's likely that they drop the Switch branding, but I do think it's unlikely that they go with a "standard" 2 or whatever. Super Switch maybe, sure.

But I do think the next console will have a concept or focus that makes it not just a "Switch but stronger" but instead has some other kinda hook to it. Like an AI assistant, or much more background functionality, built in video recording/streaming, high quality 3D sound, etc. Something like that which they can use to help differentiate it conceptually, if just a bit.
 
Whatever this thing is going to be called, it has to communicate that it's the next system with zero room for ambiguity. I also feel that whatever gimmick it'll have will be limited to software and not be intrusive, like the Joy-Cons. I know it sounds boring, but I genuinely believe that the name is going to be close to, if not outright called "Switch 2"; that name would conform to the latter two statements and what I personally believe Nintendo is also going for. Otherwise, they'll probably go with something like "Nintendo Switch 2nd Gen", as others have suggested in the past.
 
I should also say that I think Nintendo wants the Switch brand to stick around for years and years, at least the hybrid form factor, anyway.

With diminishing returns becoming more apparent each generation, I wonder if Nintendo will eventually catch up and have more than "good enough" hardware. Maybe I'm looking too far into a very uncertain future, but it's something I've been thinking about.
 
But I do think the next console will have a concept or focus that makes it not just a "Switch but stronger" but instead has some other kinda hook to it. Like an AI assistant, or much more background functionality, built in video recording/streaming, high quality 3D sound, etc. Something like that which they can use to help differentiate it conceptually, if just a bit.
I don't think anybody expects it to just be the current Switch's feature-set with the T239 chip and an 8-inch screen. Even Sony's PlayStation line of relatively straightforward console upgrades has added extra major features and inputs. I don't think any such addition is a conceptual differentiation, as the concept of the Switch involves multiple playstyles and input methods. Cameras and better haptics would be marketed just as the current HD rumble, IR sensor, and gyro. I think a different concept have to be something drastic like having dual-screens in all modes, or a VR headset, both of which I think are unlikely.

My point is that Switch has so many features either built-in or as game peripherals, that a 'Switch 2' communicates to me 'this is the next hybrid console which will similarly include additional features and play options'. I believe that the Switch is such a creative and all-encompassing brand that it will end up doing the heavy lifting in whatever name they choose.
 
I could totally see them calling it the "Nintendo Switch 4K" in the same vein as the 3ds seeing as nintendo is always very literal with their console names XD
 
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Oh good we’re at the name part of the endless loop

I still think
Nintendo Switch Ultra
Nintendo Switch 4K model
Nintendo Switch²

Are the most communicative names
Unless there’s some other function that they’d like expressed in the name.

Switch x Switch = Switch²
A 2x2 grid of switch at 1080p is 4k
The math checks out.
 
I don't think Thor will be a good indication of what the future will look like. It'll be 5nm most likely, and built on Lovelace - but if you remove the gaming specific advances out of Lovelace you basically get Ampere. In other words, if you extrapolate a gaming version of Thor you'll get... Drake.

Well need Thor Next to see what a Tegra chip backed by Blackwell would look like. Rumors are that Blackwell will be the first major rethink of the GPU pipeline since Tesla, so there might be some interesting stuff in there
For someone like me, who’s still stuck on TFLOPS, I look forward to what different versions of Thor will provide (AGX/NX/etc). Drake (in low wattage) is looking like a portable PS4. Will Thor-Next be a portable PS5?
 
Switch 4K will neither have a 4K screen nor render every game in 4K. We hardcore™ gamers know you need a more powerful chip to render at 2160p, meanwhile the average consumer doesn't even know what 2160p is. My mom thought Mario 3D World was 4K because it was running on our 4K TV and looked sharp. People without a 4K TV or play only in handheld mode will not immediately understand this is the next-gen Switch. If they're keeping the Switch brand, they need some moniker that indicates 'next' or 'better'.
 
I don't think anybody expects it to just be the current Switch's feature-set with the T239 chip and an 8-inch screen. Even Sony's PlayStation line of relatively straightforward console upgrades has added extra major features and inputs. I don't think any such addition is a conceptual differentiation, as the concept of the Switch involves multiple playstyles and input methods. Cameras and better haptics would be marketed just as the current HD rumble, IR sensor, and gyro. I think a different concept have to be something drastic like having dual-screens in all modes, or a VR headset, both of which I think are unlikely.

My point is that Switch has so many features either built-in or as game peripherals, that a 'Switch 2' communicates to me 'this is the next hybrid console which will similarly include additional features and play options'. I believe that the Switch is such a creative and all-encompassing brand that it will end up doing the heavy lifting in whatever name they choose.
I agree in concept with what you're saying, I just don't think Nintendo is the kind of company to really take the "easy" way out in this case. They always try to find something unique, compelling or marketable about their hardware that differentiates it not only from what others are doing but from what they've done in the past. Always.

I really don't think they're going to change here, they will find some concept to latch onto which gives it some additional marketability beyond "this is a stronger Switch"

Like, Super Switch could even do it, if they go all in with calling things Super. Super NSO, Super Joycons, Super game cards, etc. It's about effectively differentiating the product in the marketing.
 
We hardcore™ gamers know you need a more powerful chip to render at 2160p
DLSS:
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instead of a name Nintendo could just give the console a symbol instead.
Like how Prince changed his name to a symbol awhile back.
Question is: what is a symbol for switch?
 
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