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Godhound said:
There is a point when increasing resolution in a portable doesn't make sense and we're dealing with diminishing returns, while paying performance and battery life price for them. And increasing resolution from 720p on 7-8 inch screen is exactly that situation.
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It really, really isn't. 7.91" is about right for 1080p.

Plus, diminishing returns are still returns.
 
Skittzo said:
Could that have been confused with the screen for the portal? It's almost identical to that.
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Perhaps. But given VGC report of the console having an LCD, Sharp supposedly citing a LCD business with a key Gaming Console partner in their Financials and the fact the LCD panel supposedly is coming
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, I think it hard to think of it as wires crossed. But we'll need to wait for Portal launch and dissassembly to see if their panel is a 7.91 one or if it comes from these partners.
 
LiC said:
My point was that the 2016 Eurogamer report and 2023 VGC report are very similar and happened at the exact same time in the year. Eurogamer made a big splash because they were able to confirm the news about the Switch's form factor as a novel concept in 2016; because that's going to be carried over to the successor, there's no equivalent to that top-line piece of info. But the actual substantive contents of the articles are more or less the same: hybrid console, uses cartridges, coming soon. If anything the current VGC article has somewhat more details about the hardware itself.

The one thing Eurogamer's 2016 articles had which current reporting doesn't have is confirmation of the SoC.* But the reason for that assuredly doesn't have anything to do with closeness to launch. Devs have the hardware as confirmed by VGC, and it's simply the case that none them of them have volunteered that information yet this time. Additionally, early NX documentation outright said the SoC was "equivalent to Tegra X1 from Nvidia" and further listed the GPU specs which of course matched exactly with the TX1, so it was very easy to conclusively report on that.

After the July 2016 reporting, there were no updates until the reveal in October, a factory leak in November, and Eurogamer's reporting on clock speeds in December. Now, obviously VGC and Eurogamer have reported "second half of 2024" and "late 2024" respectively, so if you just want to take that at face value, that's one thing. But I don't see anything about the timeline diverging from the original Switch's in terms of "chatter." If anything, all this Gamescom stuff is significantly more chatter than we saw for NX after July.

*Although they said they think there's a possibility the Tegra X1 was non-final because it's just in devkits with "audible fan noise," and the Tegra X2 might ultimately be used instead... Most of the speculation and non-factual parts of their articles were wrong.
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Well said. How people remember the lead up to the Switch reveal is often times very different from how it was. The leaks were relatively minimal and as you pointed out, the meaty leaks came just a few months prior to the October reveal. It felt different because Nintendo acknowledged NX so far in advance, but they were pretty much silent on the topic prior to the October teaser trailer, and even then many of the details were not fully disclosed until the January blow out that was only two months prior to the launch. Once the floodgates do truly open, I expect the product to go to market within six months. It would be something if Nintendo were to do a teaser trailer for SNG in October on the anniversary of the Switch teaser trailer, and then ended with "Coming 2024". This would be a hype builder for the core Nintendo fans who have been anxiously waiting for the next Switch but at the same time is low key enough to not distract the more casual consumers who are still interested in purchasing a Switch for Mario Wonder and the huge library of games on the system.
 
ReyVGM said:
160x144 = Game Boy/Game Boy Color
240x160 = Game Boy Advance
256x192 = Nintendo DS
400×240 = Nintendo 3DS
1280×720 = Nintendo Switch
???? = Nintendo Switch 2

Every next gen Nintendo portable has seen a boost in screen resolution. Are we really expecting the screen in the next Switch to be the same resolution as its predecessor?
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I’m still weirdly upset that Nintendo didn’t go with at least a 360p screen for 3DS. I would watch Netflix and just seethe about the low rez, not to mention some of the games. I was so stoked for the OoT remake/remaster, but the resolution diminished it for me. Oh well. Maybe one day I’ll get over it. 🤷‍♂️
 
Giancarlo said:
maybe, battery will be main concern/focus if Nintendo can do a 2160×1080 display
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Hm, why? I mean, TVs are mostly 16:9 aspect ratio, why would they make a 18:9 aspect ratio display for the handheld mode if it will be connected to displays with a different aspect ratio in docked mode?
 
I don't know if YouTube knows something I don't, but it's pushed "First Look at Nintendo Switch" to the top of my recommendation feed.
 
Ghostsonplanets said:
Perhaps. But given VGC report of the console having an LCD, Sharp supposedly citing a LCD business with a key Gaming Console partner in their Financials and the fact the LCD panel supposedly is coming * Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
, I think it hard to think of it as wires crossed. But we'll need to wait for Portal launch and dissassembly to see if their panel is a 7.91 one or if it comes from these partners.
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It feels like the fact that all those supply sources specifically declined to mention the console's name or platform holder makes this all the more possible. If VGC is hearing tons of Switch 2 production rumors and also hears a rumor about a handheld coming with an 8 inch LCD 1080p screen, it would be very reasonable to make the leap to assume that's what it's for.

I'm not saying it can't be accurate but I think it's definitely a strong possibility that wires were crossed for this one. I guess we'll see.
 
I am fine with 1080p screen if the hardware is good.

I would be disappointed if they go 1080 and gimp the performance profile to get good battery life. If that were the case they should have just gone with 720p
 
ReyVGM said:
160x144 = Game Boy/Game Boy Color
240x160 = Game Boy Advance
256x192 = Nintendo DS
400×240 = Nintendo 3DS
1280×720 = Nintendo Switch
???? = Nintendo Switch 2

Every next gen Nintendo portable has seen a boost in screen resolution. Are we really expecting the screen in the next Switch to be the same resolution as its predecessor?
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It's not really comparable. Moore's law was in full effect.

The Switch reached DPI close to retina displays, where it gets difficult for an average user to distinguish individual pixels. It's even more difficult in motion.
Most demanding games don't even reach 720p.

~8'' 1080p display for NX2 seems about right and I hope that's what they do.
The same 720p screen as the OLED would also be a very valid option, if games actually reach that resolution with higher framerates.

Higher resolutions don't really make sense, most people wouldn't even notice or the screen would get big enough to be inconvenient.
There's also battery life, thermals, framerate, etc to consider and are more important than resolution for a lot of people.

The people that want higher resolutions, higher refresh rates, HDR and all the bells and whistles are better served by a high-end device than a mid-range mass market device like the NX2 will probably be.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Switch 3 is still 1080p in 2030.
 
ghostboltz said:
I just want OLED. My LG C3 55in is making it hard to go back to none OLED screens.
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In this case, i have a temporary solution until they offer an OLED model:

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Dekuman said:
I am fine with 1080p screen if the hardware is good.

I would be disappointed if they go 1080 and gimp the performance profile to get good battery life. If that were the case they should have just gone with 720p
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DLSS exists for a reason.
 
I dont think they have the same problem with 2 SKUs as Valve has said back in the day about releasing an OLED Deck so hopefully they will release LCD/OLED models on release day.... Although I 100% think it will be 2 years later as they usually do :(
 
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Concernt said:
So how do we feel about New Super Mario Bros. SWITCH?

My exact feelings are that it probably has no impact and provides no insight into the when or where of next gen. 🫡
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I wish it was more red, as in the tablet was also red like the previous Mario variant.

NVM, looks like the back of the tablet is indeed red. I've always wanted the Mario Red Switch but I just picked up the ZOLED :/
 
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ILikeFeet said:
will these games get updated for Drake. find out next time, on Drake Ball Z!
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One would hope. If that whole thing about devs fretting over BC killing their chances at increased profit margins via remastered ports then I think I they're looking at it the wrong way. What better way is there to sell Borderlands 4 on Switch 2 than to release a Switch 2 update for BL3 that makes it run and look better?
 
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Derachi said:
I’m so OLED-pilled I can’t go back to LCD

Nintendo please offer a premium OLED version at launch. Don’t make me go back
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Im lucky I guess cause I never owned the oled, probably for the best cause if I upgrade i dont think I would go back
 
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Goodtwin said:
Well said. How people remember the lead up to the Switch reveal is often times very different from how it was. The leaks were relatively minimal and as you pointed out, the meaty leaks came just a few months prior to the October reveal. It felt different because Nintendo acknowledged NX so far in advance, but they were pretty much silent on the topic prior to the October teaser trailer, and even then many of the details were not fully disclosed until the January blow out that was only two months prior to the launch. Once the floodgates do truly open, I expect the product to go to market within six months. It would be something if Nintendo were to do a teaser trailer for SNG in October on the anniversary of the Switch teaser trailer, and then ended with "Coming 2024". This would be a hype builder for the core Nintendo fans who have been anxiously waiting for the next Switch but at the same time is low key enough to not distract the more casual consumers who are still interested in purchasing a Switch for Mario Wonder and the huge library of games on the system.
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Not to mention there was no Gigaleak, and Nvidia Leak back then. It would've been difficult to source information from Funcles when there was no point of reference.

Those leaks have opened the floodgates for information. Whereas with the NX, soon to be unveiled as the Switch, there wasn't much of anything like you said. Hell, we didn't even find out until the leaks that Project Mont Blanc was a thing, though never really made it past the pre-production stages. So imagine a scenario where some leak came out back then with Mont Blanc as the forefront of it in say late 2015 early 2016. Suddenly, you have two conflicting stories going on about Nvidia being the supplier of the hardware vs. Nintendo going again with some custom-made chip. Which one sounded the most Nintendo-like back then?
 
Derachi said:
I’m so OLED-pilled I can’t go back to LCD

Nintendo please offer a premium OLED version at launch. Don’t make me go back
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Slightly off-topic but I recently traded in my S8 Ultra (OLED tablet) for a S7FE (LCD) at one third of the price and... call me anything but the difference is so minor to me to the point that it just doesn't matter to me in a game, I initially traded it in because I use applications where the screen remains stationary for long times fearing burn-in.

That said, I do have a OLED Switch and the color difference is more noticeable there for me compared to the regular Switch, so it seems that not all LCD and OLED panels are the same.
 
Giancarlo said:
Nintendo could have showed the Nintendo Switch sucessor for closer third parties in closed doors, at Gamescom 2023


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Nintendo: Details About the Switch Successor Likely Shared Behind Closed Doors at Gamescom 2023

Look out for leaks revealing details of the Nintendo Switch 2.
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I imagine the third party developers Nintendo trusts have been briefed on Nintendo's new hardware well before Gamescom 2023. So assuming the rumours are true, I imagine the showing at Gamescom 2023 is for the rest of the third party developers.
 
Skittzo said:
It feels like the fact that all those supply sources specifically declined to mention the console's name or platform holder makes this all the more possible. If VGC is hearing tons of Switch 2 production rumors and also hears a rumor about a handheld coming with an 8 inch LCD 1080p screen, it would be very reasonable to make the leap to assume that's what it's for.

I'm not saying it can't be accurate but I think it's definitely a strong possibility that wires were crossed for this one. I guess we'll see.
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And let's be real here, the difference between 8", and 7.91" is freaking small, smaller than 1/8th of an inch. I was just on Wiki, and it lists the OLED screen as 180mm, which is 7.09". No idea if that metric figure is precisely that, but if so, then in theory Nintendo could've listed the OLED screen as 7.1", but we all know that doesn't flow off the tongue like 7 inches does.

So saying 8", or 7" is clearly...a marketing decision! :coffee:
 
Giancarlo said:
Nintendo could have showed the Nintendo Switch sucessor for closer third parties in closed doors, at Gamescom 2023


in.ign.com

Nintendo: Details About the Switch Successor Likely Shared Behind Closed Doors at Gamescom 2023

Look out for leaks revealing details of the Nintendo Switch 2.
in.ign.com in.ign.com
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Isn't IGN at Gamescom? While they probably didn't get to see anything or be directly briefed by Nintendo. I'm sure they might've heard something. So there's some truth to it after all.
 
Dakhil said:
I imagine the third party developers Nintendo trusts have been briefed on Nintendo's new hardware well before Gamescom 2023. So assuming the rumours are true, I imagine the showing at Gamescom 2023 is for the rest of the third party developers.
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i also expect Nintendo will show Nintendo Switch sucessor at Tokyo Game Show 2023(but at closed doors of course)
 
Shoulder said:
And let's be real here, the difference between 8", and 7.91" is freaking small, smaller than 1/8th of an inch. I was just on Wiki, and it lists the OLED screen as 180mm, which is 7.09". No idea if that metric figure is precisely that, but if so, then in theory Nintendo could've listed the OLED screen as 7.1", but we all know that doesn't flow off the tongue like 7 inches does.

So saying 8", or 7" is clearly...a marketing decision! :coffee:
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I don't think anyone's going to know until someone actually measures the OLED model's display. There's a possibility that the 180 mm measurement on the Wikipedia article is a rounded up estimate since Dimensions lists the display size for the OLED model as 177.8 mm, which does convert exactly to 7".
 
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NVC podcast usually drops Thursdays on YouTube so if IGN knows about anything said behind closed doors, they’ll probably mention it in today’s show.
 
That IGN article is just an aggregation of a few rumours and saying to look out for more. Don't hold your breath expecting them to add something new.
 
oldpuck said:
Just looking at specs, but the LCD on the GPD Win Max 2 has basically the same max brightness and pixel density as the Switch OLED. So I'm not surprised you'd prefer the OLED screen, other than sheer size, the LCD doesn't have any advantages.

A 1080p 8 inch screen has like 30% higher pixel density, and while it will never have OLED blacks, if it's HDR it could absolutely have as good or better color gamut. Which is not to say you might not still prefer the OLED (I think I would, too) but it would at least have something to offer.
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There's more to screen quality than pixel density and max brightness. Comparing a Win Max 2 to a Steam Deck, the WM2 has over 90% of sRGB coverage againts 63% in the SD, for example.
 
ReyVGM said:
160x144 = Game Boy/Game Boy Color
240x160 = Game Boy Advance
256x192 = Nintendo DS
400×240 = Nintendo 3DS
1280×720 = Nintendo Switch
???? = Nintendo Switch 2

Every next gen Nintendo portable has seen a boost in screen resolution. Are we really expecting the screen in the next Switch to be the same resolution as its predecessor?
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I hope it is 720p. Current gen games relly on reconstructions to reach 1440p or even 1080p on the Series S. The Steam Deck is 800p and 800p is also the resolution I run my WM2 to get better performance/batter life. People with the ally also have to run games at 720p to get good performance with manageable battery life in more demanding games.

If Switch 2 is indeed powerful enough to get good performance at 1080p on newer games, then I would take 720p with improved battery life.
 
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