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StarTopic Film Chat |ST| What's Your Favorite Acting Turn?

Did anyone end up watching Blue Beetle, or nah? I loved it, and I'm not usually one for superhero movies!
I enjoyed it and I’ve always been a fan of Jaime but the script was definitely cliche. Pretty much every superhero origin movie story beat was in there. Still fun though and the family dynamic worked as the emotional core. Too bad it probably won’t survive the reboot to the Gunnverse.

Ended up getting my $4 ticket to go catch the theater run of the Oldboy release last night. It was a pretty packed theater, which was pretty cool to see for a 20 year old rerelease. A lot of people in that audience had never seen it, so I got to sit through some pretty big audience reactions to the back third of it. Pour one out for the poor guy in front of me who brought his date to this one.

Another movie I'm pretty glad to have finally seen on the big screen. Like, the hallway scene is the obvious standout reason to check it out in that format, but there's a lot of really standout camerawork through the whole thing that I appreciated seeing. Was wildly engrossing even knowing how it plays out, and the action scenes are all super kinetic and fun. Would rec to see if it's still playing near you.
I saw it last week for the first time and really dug it, even if I found the plot to be a bit all over the place. Fantastic direction and acting. I also really loved Parasite so I want to search out more cool Korean thrillers.
 
Fantastic direction and acting. I also really loved Parasite so I want to search out more cool Korean thrillers.
If you like Parasite, Bong Joon-ho's other stuff pre-Snowpiercer is extremely easy to recommend. Mother is hands down far and away his best movie, and I still would put Memories of Murder up there with Parasite. The Host is fine but not what I really go to his movies for, and Barking Dogs Never Bite is a good first piece. Snowpiercer is just terrible imo, I'd skip it and Okja is a movie he made I guess. Really though sit down to watch Mother and Memories of Murder if you get the chance.

There's obviously the rest of the Vengeance movies in the Oldboy "series" to catch up on too. A popular entry point into these that had "hey dude did you see this" energy a decade ago was I Saw the Devil which stars Choi Min-Sik (Oh Dae-su in Oldboy) as the main antagonist in another revenge plot. That one isn't as clever as these other ones, but it delivers hard on the action and intense violence/revenge energy with some pretty cool action shots.

There's a good deal more than that to catch up on if you're interested, but those are the most popular entry points for a reason. Mother(not the Aronofsky comedy) and I Saw the Devil are some of the easiest recommendations ever if you liked Parasite/Oldboy.
 
If you like Parasite, Bong Joon-ho's other stuff pre-Snowpiercer is extremely easy to recommend. Mother is hands down far and away his best movie, and I still would put Memories of Murder up there with Parasite. The Host is fine but not what I really go to his movies for, and Barking Dogs Never Bite is a good first piece. Snowpiercer is just terrible imo, I'd skip it and Okja is a movie he made I guess. Really though sit down to watch Mother and Memories of Murder if you get the chance.

There's obviously the rest of the Vengeance movies in the Oldboy "series" to catch up on too. A popular entry point into these that had "hey dude did you see this" energy a decade ago was I Saw the Devil which stars Choi Min-Sik (Oh Dae-su in Oldboy) as the main antagonist in another revenge plot. That one isn't as clever as these other ones, but it delivers hard on the action and intense violence/revenge energy with some pretty cool action shots.

There's a good deal more than that to catch up on if you're interested, but those are the most popular entry points for a reason. Mother(not the Aronofsky comedy) and I Saw the Devil are some of the easiest recommendations ever if you liked Parasite/Oldboy.
hello, fellow Mother-lover. I feel like you're short-selling Okja a bit, but we totally align on Bong's filmography otherwise. Guy is a master.
 
If you like Parasite, Bong Joon-ho's other stuff pre-Snowpiercer is extremely easy to recommend. Mother is hands down far and away his best movie, and I still would put Memories of Murder up there with Parasite. The Host is fine but not what I really go to his movies for, and Barking Dogs Never Bite is a good first piece. Snowpiercer is just terrible imo, I'd skip it and Okja is a movie he made I guess. Really though sit down to watch Mother and Memories of Murder if you get the chance.

There's obviously the rest of the Vengeance movies in the Oldboy "series" to catch up on too. A popular entry point into these that had "hey dude did you see this" energy a decade ago was I Saw the Devil which stars Choi Min-Sik (Oh Dae-su in Oldboy) as the main antagonist in another revenge plot. That one isn't as clever as these other ones, but it delivers hard on the action and intense violence/revenge energy with some pretty cool action shots.

There's a good deal more than that to catch up on if you're interested, but those are the most popular entry points for a reason. Mother(not the Aronofsky comedy) and I Saw the Devil are some of the easiest recommendations ever if you liked Parasite/Oldboy.
Another friend mentioned Mother so I will definitely check it out among others. Thanks for the recs!
 
If you like Parasite, Bong Joon-ho's other stuff pre-Snowpiercer is extremely easy to recommend. Mother is hands down far and away his best movie, and I still would put Memories of Murder up there with Parasite. The Host is fine but not what I really go to his movies for, and Barking Dogs Never Bite is a good first piece. Snowpiercer is just terrible imo, I'd skip it and Okja is a movie he made I guess. Really though sit down to watch Mother and Memories of Murder if you get the chance.

There's obviously the rest of the Vengeance movies in the Oldboy "series" to catch up on too. A popular entry point into these that had "hey dude did you see this" energy a decade ago was I Saw the Devil which stars Choi Min-Sik (Oh Dae-su in Oldboy) as the main antagonist in another revenge plot. That one isn't as clever as these other ones, but it delivers hard on the action and intense violence/revenge energy with some pretty cool action shots.

There's a good deal more than that to catch up on if you're interested, but those are the most popular entry points for a reason. Mother(not the Aronofsky comedy) and I Saw the Devil are some of the easiest recommendations ever if you liked Parasite/Oldboy.
Memories of Murders I would rant higher than Parasite even, just so good. I was on a kick of Korean cinema that I need to get back on, loved the hell outta JSA and Save the Green Planet.
For anyone interested in older stuff though, I highly recommend the films of Kim Ki-young.

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The Housemaid is a pitch black, knife to the gut domestic thriller, all dirty rain water and rat poison. It look like it was filmed on charcoal.

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Woman Chasing the Butterfly of Death is a similarly mean and cynical film, now in sick hot and cold color, and almost surreal and psychedelic crime/horror film.
My review from when I watched it:
A feverish film that can never stay in one place for long. A young man constantly bedeviled by skeletons and their associates. Severed heads, butterflies pinned to walls, poisoned drinks, brutal stabbings. This is the poetry of revolutionary film maker Kim Ki-Young.
Both of these movies also have hilarious censor mendated endings.
 
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Just saw Kwaidan (1964) on a pristine old theatical 35mm print. Stunning. Already one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen, seeing it in the theater with eye watering color, sound and music that goes between being chilly and etheral, to brain bustingly experimental. It was unsubtitled, so I got about 50% of the dialog, but I knew the stories well enough. I was very tired watching it and sometimes almost drifted to sleep across its almost 3 hour run time, but I can imagine few movies better to dream with, to merge reality and the edge of the stranger realms of the unconscious mind. I love cinema, and I love my life. Invigorating.

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Just saw Kwaidan (1964) on a pristine old theatical 35mm print. Stunning. Already one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen, seeing it in the theater with eye watering color, sound and music that goes between being chilly and etheral, to brain bustingly experimental. It was unsubtitled, so I got about 50% of the dialog, but I knew the stories well enough. I was very tired watching it and sometimes almost drifted to sleep across its almost 3 hour run time, but I can imagine few movies better to dream with, to merge reality and the edge of the stranger realms of the unconscious mind. I love cinema, and I love my life. Invigorating.

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Kwaidan is such a banger.
 
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Recently watched all the Roger Corman Poe films.

Fall of the House of Usher: Blonde Vincent Price with mustache!? It happened. Lush colors, astondingly lush sets, psychedelic dream sequence, house built atop a cobwebby crypt. This set the template for all future movies in the Poe cycle and is one of the best. Price plays a tragic, morbidly depressed villian. The hero asks "Is there no end to your horrors?" to which he answers, "No, there isn't." Highly recommend.

The Pit and the Pendulum: Price plays man sinking into insanity, though he is being gaslit by his greedy relatives. Mostly kinda dull if pretty looking, until the end when Price goes off the deepend and subjects the hero to the titular Pendulum in full camp villian mode. Actually pretty tense scene. Worth a watch.

The Premature Burial: Vincent Price is out, Ray Milland is in, and he gives a fine performance as a character with an obsessive fear of being buried alive by accident. Once again, betrayal and manipulation is a foot. A scene where he describes his tomb's many escape routes (including dynamite and poison) is comedy gold. The ending where he gets his revenge is excellent. An accidental good portrayal of OCD in a film, really hit me. Highly recommend.

Tales of Terror: Price is back! An anthology of 3 stories. The first is generic stuff, but cozy enough. The second is a hilarious adaptation of at least 3 different Poe stories combined staring Peter Lorre and Price. Lorre plays a drunk and Price a sophisticated wine expert. Has a funny dream sequence where every one is wide and plays catch with Lorre's decapitated head. Also there's a super cute cat. The thrid story is a nice little shocker about hypnotism from beyond the grave. Worth it for the 2nd segment, a hight point of the Poe cycle.

The Haunted Palace: Not actually a Poe adaptation. Despite the title, this is an adaptation of HP Lovecraft's The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, with Vincent Price as the hero possessed by the spirit of his warlock ancestor. Weird to here actors in 1963 talk about Cthulhu, Yog Sothoth, elder gods, and the necronomicon. We even get to see a Dagon like fish god! A must watch!

The Raven: This stars Price, Lorre, Karloff, and Jack Nicholson, but is sadly a not particularly funny comedy about wizards. The best part is a magic battle between Price and Karloff at the end. The most strenuous connection to the source material yet. Price is at his gayest here, which is good, and Karloff is mostly seated as he was extremely old at this point. Of interest.

The Masque of the Red Death: Peak cinema and on of the best horror films of the 60s. Eye wateringly beautiful, such vibrant colors. Vincent Price's turn as Prince Prospero is incredible, his most evil and depraved character. A satanist and a sadist who wants to corrupt all around him and damn the peasantry to die of a plague. One of the greatest endings in all of cinema. Essential.

The Tomb of Ligeia: The elegetic finale of Corman's Poe cycle. Price is more tragic hero than villian this time, haunted by the past, his doom is that he cannot escape it, a theme running through many of these movies that feels shapest here. Plenty of cute cat footage too. All the exteriors were shot on location. Must have been seen as a strength back then, but one sorely misses the beautiful foggy color lighting of the sound stages in the older films. The interiors however are still Gothic Caste perfection. Highly recommend.
 
Gonna do a write up of the movies I watch during my ban. Should I do TV shows here too, or is there a TV thread?
 
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Hooooooly cow I was not ready for Gran Turismo to be that good.

I'll admit some of the parts where they were talking about the game itself came across as gratingly self-congratulatory (Legolas telling someone about the game before looking down and breathily declaring, "...it's really quite remarkable" made my teeth hurt) and the literal plot of the movie is a massive historical inaccuracy (Jann Mardenborough was not the first GT Academy winner, nor did the events of the story unfold over the course of a single season like they do in the film, and the cars featured suggest the story takes place very, very recently and not 10 years ago like it actually did) BUT all that being said, taken simply as a racing movie it's surprisingly well-made, more heartfelt than racing movies tend to be, and was anchored by performances I did not expect to enjoy (especially from David Harbour). The screenplay won't win any awards, but what shocked me wasn't the story bits, it was the technical bits. In more ways than one.

So now, the car-weeb stuff.

This movie paid more attention to goddamn cars than probably the last five Fast and Furious movies combined. Shots of the suspension compressing during turns, brake calipers clamping down when the characters make panic stops, shots that make sure to use small closeup details of the cars like the rear spoiler blades or the fender vents to frame the action going on in the background, as though the cinematographer was a car show photographer, were incredible to see in motion as part of a race. The sound design is fantastic, with the engines all being crisp and distinct (as there are multiple different "hero cars" in the film and they all sound like they aught to), and a lot of the sound design really makes the cars and their movements feel mechanical and visceral. A lot of it is exaggerated but in ways that make you feel what's going on. For example, there's a shot where a car's brakes slip and there was a very discomforting crunching squeal when it happened, which had me clenching my arms like I was about to crash. You wouldn't normally hear brakes slipping, you'd feel them slipping. But the sound they used really gave me the impression of the brake pads skirting across the rotors instead of gripping them, and made me feel like the car wasn't stopping (as opposed to the character shouting "oh no, the brakes!" or something). And while it's not unusual for a racing movie to have gimicky internal shots of the pistons reciprocating (F&F became notorious for this), those shots felt at home in this movie because of all the other detailed shots of mechanical movement being present. There were even shots of the engine's valvetrain opening and closing during some of the more heart-pumping straightaways, as though they were trying to evoke a beating heart with the pumping of the engine's valves. They got really creative with showing automotive mechanical stuff in ways most mainstream car movies either completely ignore or get so damn wrong that they verge on self-parody. Really awesome that that level of attention to detail ended up in a studio movie named after a video game.

And that brings me to the one thing I feel is a bit disappointing. It's really, really impressive as a car movie, definitely more so than what we tend to get these days, and I'm kinda concerned car fans (or general moviegoers) who might love it will instead look the other way because it's framed as a "video game movie." And it really isn't one! It's called Gran Turismo but it's really the (heavily dramatized) story of a kid with a dream who, almost impossibly, became an actual race car driver. And for all the liberties taken to make the story more cinematic, that kid exists. His former football-player father (whose relationship with him serves as part of the drama) exists. The crotchety, hardened engineer who took the kid under his wing exists (even though the movie version is a combination of multiple people in Mardenborough's life). This is a good movie about that kid and his path into racing. You could take all the PlayStation branding out of it and it would still work, because it's really not about Sony or Polyphony at all, nor is it an adaptation of any game. This really could have been framed as more like Ron Howard's Rush or James Mangold's Ford V Ferrari but for a younger generation, and if it weren't for some of the drama being rushed through or the wonky brand stuff tryina tie it to its namesake then I probably woulda put it up there myself.

I mean, maybe not quite as high as the other two but still, it woulda podiumed. Shoulda released earlier in the season, definitely deserved to be part of the blockbuster rush. Really a hell of a surprise.
 
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Through no fault of my own, I am now committed to watching the entire Saw franchise in one go. I am not expecting anything out of these, so let's see how it goes.
 
Through no fault of my own, I am now committed to watching the entire Saw franchise in one go. I am not expecting anything out of these, so let's see how it goes.
I like the Saw franchise though as each movie became more interconnected with callbacks and characters, it would have worked better as a TV show.

Personally, the lore and the exploration of a serial killer who believes he’s helping people was more interesting to me than the torture porn though it’s obvious which one paid the bills. If the franchise ever rebooted, focusing on smaller, more believable traps would be preferable. Like the reverse bear trap was created by a real engineer friend of James Wan and Leigh Whannell and actually works which to me, makes it scarier.

I digress. I hope you like them. I haven’t seen (all of) Jigsaw or Spiral. Out of the original seven, only 3D is really bad. The first two are very good and the rest range from good to fair.
 
Made it through 3. Cliff notes. Willing to elaborate later if people care.

Saw 1 - Actually would tell people to watch this, it's p alright. The kinda low budget early career maker that impresses with what it can do, clever with the resources and scope limitations. Also just actually fun and interesting.

Saw 2 - Much less impressive! Still a very limited film in scope, but a lot less intriguing. Too many Hollywood cops. Still kept some of the fun Jigsaw energy but is way less clever about it. The movie ended then a Mudvayne track started to play and I burst out laughing. I didn't hate it, would watch with friends.

Saw 3- Wow that sucked!
 
Made it through 3. Cliff notes. Willing to elaborate later if people care.
What didn’t you like about Saw 3?

It’s the last movie Whannell wrote for the series. I got the impression he was ready to move on given the ending he wrote. It has the best opening scene in any Saw movie, and I appreciate the audacity to kill off John Kramer.

From there, it’s mostly a steady descent toward mediocrity as the scope gets larger and the lore becomes more unmanageable for casual viewers who at that point, only showed up to see people get maimed.

Saw VI is my favorite of the latter half. I wouldn’t even call it good overall as it relies on the audience keeping track of a lot of lore. It’s good compared to the movies it’s flanked by, but it never reached the highs of the first two. I has some critical backstory to Jigsaw and one of the best endings in the series (that is summarily wasted by 3D).
 
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Finally getting around to watching Glass Onion. Had no idea it was basically about someone trying to kill Elon Musk. 😅 This is exactly what I needed right now.

Edit: oops, nevermind 😅
 
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I really wish Netflix would do actual theatrical runs for their stuff, especially with Amazon and Apple doing so
I remember them doing a theatrical release of The Irishman, which I was very happy about, but I had to go to a specific theater in another city to find it. It wasn't even playing at any of the main ones (I think because the big chains were boycotting it)

OH! I wonder if that's it, actually: the big chains still refusing to run Netflix releases because of their "day and date in theaters and on streaming" requirement?
 
What didn’t you like about Saw 3?
It's just really boring mostly. The script is trying (and failing) to piece together the pieces of Saw 2 in a way that's just really unflattering for everybody involved. The characters are at their least compelling and weakest motivations, and Jeff's entire arc is pure torture porn filler with no twists or nuance that just exists to support a really hamfisted ending. None of the charm of the really tightly constructed mysteries and pacing of the first movie are left in this script, and that sucks. There's also just a ton of pandering to lore and intrigue for sequels that is somehow worse than what Disney was going to bring later.

At this point it feels like the identity is purely to come and see how creative the torture porn is going to get from movie to movie and see what whacky twists they have to try and make Jigsaw still compelling. Tbh that kinda sucks, because they've already dipped into some pretty exploitative and explicit content with that stuff in 2+3, so I expect it to get worse. I'm not a stranger to exploitative and kinda just plain gross content in this corner of the horror genre, so I'll get through it. It's just the more abusive ideas shoved into the camera (like 3 has more themes of selfharm and abuse going on) feel really kinda bad, especially now that the camera and script are a lot more perverted. I'm not saying you can't do those things in horror, I believe it works pretty well within this genre, but I'm saying it should be done for reasons other than to shock the audience in a thrillride blockbuster.

Idk I don't wanna be super mean to something people like, and it's not like the worst example of this stuff out there. I admittedly started watching it because I wanted to see how trashy and hysterically low an annual franchise based on mutilation can really get. There's some kind of "fun" to be had there admittedly. But then I actually liked the first one! Reminded me of how much fun I had with Malignant and why I give James Wan the time of day still. It's just kinda crazy to me how quickly this slid into being terrible annual movies, and I'm floored Saw 3 isn't the end of it. There's 6(SIX) more of these! I'm still morbidly curious how bad this is going to get and just point and go "hey this was trendy when I was in high school" as a result of the sheer mass of movie that came out of this. The discussion about Saw in pop culture is actually probably really interesting to dive into, which is what I'm more curious about, so I might as well finish out seeing the movies themselves before I go diving into that.
 
Speaking of Netflix, the coolest thing they ever did was funding the completion of Orson Welles' The Other Side of the Wind. I just hope someday it can escape netflix.
 
ugh, geez

I totally woulda gone to see it on release if it had come out near me.
I remember them doing a theatrical release of The Irishman, which I was very happy about, but I had to go to a specific theater in another city to find it. It wasn't even playing at any of the main ones (I think because the big chains were boycotting it)

OH! I wonder if that's it, actually: the big chains still refusing to run Netflix releases because of their "day and date in theaters and on streaming" requirement?

Glass Onion was actually kind of a strange case; it was only in a big chain, that chain being AMC. Non-AMC theaters didn't have the theatrical run. And again it was only for a week.
 
Ah. I think it was maybe the non-AMC chains that didn't do it then? I think? I definitely saw it at an AMC, and I remember other AMCs were playing it but the other local chains were not.
Not sure.

Wish there was an easier to check past show times for something like this
 
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Barbie's the first movie I've seen in theaters for several months and in all honesty given some people's reactions, I was expecting far worse? Not a perfect movie by any means but I had a lot of fun with it and think it kept things balanced enough where it had a strong message but wasn't overly preachy about it, or at least not in a way that overtook the experience.

There were some walkouts though with families with especially little kids lol, maaaaay have been slightly mis-marketed in that sense.

In terms of general movie watching without a theatre being involved I rewatched Treasure Planet and Nimona recently, both great animated films! Glad the latter still came out despite the fuckery with Disney, I really think it could've been a bigger hit than their other recent films if they'd had the balls to stick behind it.
 
Barbie's the first movie I've seen in theaters for several months and in all honesty given some people's reactions, I was expecting far worse? Not a perfect movie by any means but I had a lot of fun with it and think it kept things balanced enough where it had a strong message but wasn't overly preachy about it, or at least not in a way that overtook the experience.

There were some walkouts though with families with especially little kids lol, maaaaay have been slightly mis-marketed in that sense.

In terms of general movie watching without a theatre being involved I rewatched Treasure Planet and Nimona recently, both great animated films! Glad the latter still came out despite the fuckery with Disney, I really think it could've been a bigger hit than their other recent films if they'd had the balls to stick behind it.
Barbie's fun with great production design and an all timer song from Ken, but I do think the attempts to tackle big themes like capitalism and feminism come off wanting. It's trying to do a balancing act of being a fun goofy Barbie movie, a metacommentary on Barbie as a brand, a social commentary on patriarchy, and an advertisement for Barbie itself, and while it doesn't implode upon itself, it does end up feeling a little skin deep. But it's a fun time at the movies which I guess is all you can ask for as long as you don't try to nitpick it too much.
 
Glass Onion was actually kind of a strange case; it was only in a big chain, that chain being AMC. Non-AMC theaters didn't have the theatrical run. And again it was only for a week.
Ah, that makes sense. I don't think I have any AMC theaters around me, it's all Regal or independent locals.

Barbie's the first movie I've seen in theaters for several months and in all honesty given some people's reactions, I was expecting far worse?
What reactions were you seeing? I've been seeing nothing but praise heaped on it (except from.. certain demographics whose hate I consider a ringing endorsement 😅)
 
Ah, that makes sense. I don't think I have any AMC theaters around me, it's all Regal or independent locals.


What reactions were you seeing? I've been seeing nothing but praise heaped on it (except from.. certain demographics whose hate I consider a ringing endorsement 😅)
I know the type of person you mean and nah, I mean more I noticed some general reviewers/audience reactions seemed conflicted on what to make of the movie. I get it has a high RT score but that doesn't stop their being (among level-headed people) discourse!
 
I know the type of person you mean and nah, I mean more I noticed some general reviewers/audience reactions seemed conflicted on what to make of the movie. I get it has a high RT score but that doesn't stop their being (among level-headed people) discourse!
Ah, okay good, I'm glad to hear there was level-headed discourse out there. 😅 I think I must just have very specific friends and follows to be hearing nothing but enthusiastic praise (which I guess means I've managed to curate my social shit better than I realized).
 
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Glass Onion was actually kind of a strange case; it was only in a big chain, that chain being AMC. Non-AMC theaters didn't have the theatrical run. And again it was only for a week.
I saw it at a non-chain theater (well, one with two locations)
I saw it at an Alamo Drafthouse. It killed with a theatrical audience. I think it would have made a mint if they’d allowed it a proper wide release.

Barbie's the first movie I've seen in theaters for several months and in all honesty given some people's reactions, I was expecting far worse? Not a perfect movie by any means but I had a lot of fun with it and think it kept things balanced enough where it had a strong message but wasn't overly preachy about it, or at least not in a way that overtook the experience.

There were some walkouts though with families with especially little kids lol, maaaaay have been slightly mis-marketed in that sense.
Oh, Barbie’s a delight. I think it’s in my theatrical top 5 for the year.

And I have a feeling families taking their little ones probably saw Barbie and skipped straight past the PG-13.
 
Barbie's fun with great production design and an all timer song from Ken, but I do think the attempts to tackle big themes like capitalism and feminism come off wanting. It's trying to do a balancing act of being a fun goofy Barbie movie, a metacommentary on Barbie as a brand, a social commentary on patriarchy, and an advertisement for Barbie itself, and while it doesn't implode upon itself, it does end up feeling a little skin deep. But it's a fun time at the movies which I guess is all you can ask for as long as you don't try to nitpick it too much.
This was my feeling too. It could have been worse, and it was fun (ish), but when we left the screening most of us agreed that we probably shouldn't think about it too much if we didn't want our opinion of it to sour any more. I am not at all excited for an extended Mattel cinematic universe, certainly.
 
Saw 4 - I can't believe I didn't turn this off. This is turning into an overly judgemental cop drama that is once again "pushing the envelope" to absolutely nowhere. There aren't even traps, set pieces, or twists that work well.

Saw V - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S SAW FOUR BUT WORSE

Saw 6 - Oh hey this actually has some setpieces and attempts a theme that moderately works. It's filmed like an episode of Lost and 1/3 of the movie is flashbacks and callbacks, also ends like shit. If this were a Netflix show I might actually be okay with it.
 
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I saw… Saw, one of the Saw movies with my friend yeeeears ago, but I honestly cannot remember which one, I barely remember it

We saw it on home video in 2008 and I think I remember a dude being tied up in like a bank or something in the beginning of the movie? In broad daylight. It was weird.
 
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I lowkey blame Saw for my lack of interest in horror movies for a while

I appreciate that some people really enjoy the franchise so I can't begrudge it its success, but the way it dominated the Halloween box office for so long and really dragged out its whole schtick was pretty boring for me. I cannot imagine the immense psychic damage from watching it all in one go, just an onslaught of ugly colour grading and over the top editing and unhinged writing. I can handle mean-spirited horror, but Saw combines that cruelty with a deeply annoying worldview. If I was a character in the Saw universe I'd absolutely wake up in some trap all "hello, Ramune...on Twitter you said my games were 'high-key dumb as fuck'...now, we'll find out how dumb you're willing to be for your own survival. Drink these shots of paint thinner and hit yourself in the head with a hammer before I fill the room with wasps and pig slurry."

I remembering enjoying the first one well enough though, and then the rest just hit at a time where they didn't benefit from the various factors that I guess allowed many other increasingly bad franchises to coast on my nostalgia and lowered expectations. Poor Saw!
 
Idk I don't wanna be super mean to something people like, and it's not like the worst example of this stuff out there.
Nah, you're entitled to your opinion, and honestly, I can't say I even disagree here. I haven't seen most of the Saw movies in over a decade so I'm going off memory. While I can acknowledge their many shortcomings, I remember liking the overall series. Reading your thoughts and trying to revisit them from what I can remember, I'm now wondering, "Wait, do I though?" I'm admittedly enamored by the premise and really wished they leaned into that because I'm completely with you regarding the torture porn. And Saw stopped working as an annual movie series right around Saw III because with all the flashbacks to keep Tobin Bell involved, the lore straight up became:

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And if you don't care for that, there isn't much left as collectively the series is woefully inconsistent. After the first two, there are some high highs and really, really low lows per movie so I may be romanticizing the good parts. I'd say I'll watch them again except I won’t if they're not on a streaming service I already subscribe to.

I kind of feel bad because I don't think you're going to have a good time from here on out if you already don't like Saw III. It's the worst of the first three by a wide margin but better than most of the rest (again, can't fairly comment on Jigsaw or Spiral). Still, I'm looking forward to your thoughts on the rest of the movies.
 
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Saw 4 - I can't believe I didn't turn this off. This is turning into an overly judgemental cop drama that is once again "pushing the envelope" to absolutely nowhere. There aren't even traps, set pieces, or twists that work well.

Saw V - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S SAW FOUR BUT WORSE

Saw 6 - Oh hey this actually has some setpieces and attempts a theme that moderately works. It's filmed like an episode of Lost and 1/3 of the movie is flashbacks and callbacks, also ends like shit. If this were a Netflix show I might actually be okay with it.
LOL, I liked the ending. Hoffman getting out of the reverse bear trap was neat until Saw 3D happened. Then again, Gibson is unintentional comedy.

I can give Saw this

There are a lot of funny Saw memes.
I also enjoy listening to my friend explain the lore lol
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Saw 3D may be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It's a monument to the art of terrible, pointless, gross horror movies. Maybe the worst sequel I've ever seen. The 3D gimmicks? Just icing on the cake.

An absolute atrocity this was committed to film. 7 movies in and I take back anything I have ever said positive about this entire franchise it needs to all be burned and thrown directly into the garbage.
 
I choose to believe that Tobin Bell’s record store guy from Seinfeld and Jigsaw are one in the same and that improves my outlook on the Saw films just a lil’ bit
 
Saw 3D may be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It's a monument to the art of terrible, pointless, gross horror movies. Maybe the worst sequel I've ever seen. The 3D gimmicks? Just icing on the cake.

An absolute atrocity this was committed to film. 7 movies in and I take back anything I have ever said positive about this entire franchise it needs to all be burned and thrown directly into the garbage.
The opening trap in that one has always stuck with me for how annoying it is and how it perfectly captures the have your cake and eat it hatefulness of the series for me.
 
The opening trap in that one has always stuck with me for how annoying it is and how it perfectly captures the have your cake and eat it hatefulness of the series for me.
Yeah, that's what really stood out to me. Like, the hateful and weird ways women and certain "crimes" are treated in the series didn't start here, but this was the most brazen and exists completely out of context. The publicity stunt nature of it all (combined with the real world publicity stunt harming the people involved in real life) puts things into a realm that steps way out of bounds of what I'm willing to deal with. Like, there's nothing about it that works in context of the series; it just exists to hurt people for spectacle with the flimsiest premise involved. That's really what the series boils down to, which is such a shame because there really were sparks of something there. It's just, after sitting through all the other moments of either punching down or hateful spectacle gore just for the perversion factor that moment completely broke any willingness I had to engage with it further. Then the rest of Saw 3D happened to me and repeated that mistake multiple times.

Shame cause this started out pretty hopeful for me with the first movie actually having things that worked in it. There was a script that bothered to engage with different layers of everybody involved, there was a psych horror play along roller coaster ride, there was a unique stylization and flow to it that was very impressive for what they were working with. Then Saw 2 happens and immediately it falls deep into the slasher sequel hell bucket that somehow completely distorts every last worthwhile bit into something that's just really ugly. I want to just have fun with it and indulge in the grindhouse shlock factor, but I really can't tune out the "moral messages" attached to the John Kramer philosophy involved in every death. It' very quickly turns into an extremely lazy justification to get as perverse as possible on screen so you can "feel good" about indulging in gore. Even when they sorta hit on something that works (like Saw 6's take that health insurance is murder and the traps that match) they can't help but to add in a bunch of "look how grotesque these people are anyways" stuff that seems to demean and dehumanize people at more basic levels. It just plain sucks, and it only gets worse with each entry up to Saw 3D. I was willing to suspend my ability to deal with the less great moments of the first 3 since there was still some essence of swinging and missing, but after finishing the original run I can't anymore. I even hesitate to give the first movie praise. but I'll still stick my neck out for it a bit because I think it at least questions these elements more than the others. You can make grindhouse gorefest stuff work, but you can't just dehumanize and hate literally everyone to create gore toy puppets for the audience while using a justification of moral guidance.

Anyways I never know when to drop a bit, so we watched Jigsaw tonight hoping to feel better(my gf is in on the ride with me on this bless her). Thankfully that did raise my mood a bit. It's a completely mediocre to bad IP cashgrab in the era of IP cashgrabs, and I'll take that over whatever we had before. There's a lot less of just making people be gross in the moment and straight up punching down on disadvantaged or vulnerable people. I think it's still very clumsy and puts the audience in a position to root for failure too hard, but it's functional. I could at least have fun with this one to an extent and laugh at it in the terrible B horror IP ran to death kinda way, It's a bad movie, not even the most fun bad movie to riff on, but I didn't actively despise it like I learned to do with the rest. I'll finish this out tomorrow and see if that attitude holds up for the last remaining one (until X).

If you're interested in watching these just to know how bad they are, don't bother. Trust me on this, I've suffered enough and it's REALLY not worth it. This is not part of the bit, I am dropping kayfabe. They are straight up not worth your time and it's actually insanity that any part of our culture made this a wildly popular/profitable venture back in the day. Maybe check the first one, maybe the reboots will turn out less shitty for those invested (like I unfortunately am), but seriously shit just sucks.
 
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Alright Spiral is the definition of mediocre IP grab that just throws a couple celebs at it. Once again tries hard to remove itself from the legacy of the original run, and is totally unconvincing. That's it, freedom.
 
Alright Spiral is the definition of mediocre IP grab that just throws a couple celebs at it. Once again tries hard to remove itself from the legacy of the original run, and is totally unconvincing. That's it, freedom.
I’ll always love the PR graf that they released when this was announced:

“When Chris Rock came to us and described in chilling detail his fantastic vision that reimagines and spins-off the world of the notorious Jigsaw Killer, we were all-in,” said Joe Drake, Chairman of Lionsgate.
 


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