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TSR3 said:
This rings true, but do you have links, especially for the FTC/CMA collaboration claim?
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Here's a source for the collaboration.

This summary is a combination of what I've seen in several news across months, I won't lookup for all of them, but if you have other specific things you want a source, I can look it up.

If you want a deep dive, there's also a thread on ResetEra where lawyers like OP describe everything in detail and answer questions (there's too many posts there, so check OP posts and threadmark).
 
LoneRanger said:
The big question is if they can manage to get day 1 COD2024 as launch title/window. That + Assasins Creed Red (that is based in Japan so I think a SKU for a Nintendo system can be a good addition.) can be a very good start for Switch NG regarding (western) third party support.

Like a (fall) launch with (only considering NG exclusive games):
1) 3D Mario (Nintendo)
2) 2024COD (Activision-Blizzard)
3) Assasins Creed Red (Ubisoft)
4) Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora (Ubisoft)
5) Madden/FIFA/NHL/UFC (EA)
6) NBA 2k (Take-2)
7) Something from Capcom (DD2?)
8) Something from Konami (MGS3D?)
9) Something from Square-Enix (FFXV?)
10) Something from Bandai-Namco (Tekken 8?)
11) Something from Rockstar (RDR2?)

+ update to existing Switch 1 titles.

So I think that Nintendo will make a “soft” launch and not releasing every mayor AAA PS4/5 day 1.
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I think people are overestimating the capabilities and impact of the device.
The difference between PS5/XXS and NX2 should be roughly similar to the difference between PS4/XOne and Switch.
Very few last-gen games came to Switch, most of which would certainly be possible.

I do believe anything is possible with enough effort but storage and online will probably still be major pains.

Also, it will take years for NX2 user base to grow.
Any AAA 3rd-party title releasing in the first year will sell to a initially tiny audience.
If there are a handful of those, they will dilute each others sales.
They could have a long tail in sales, but I believe any hype when the release would quickly dry up as new games come out.
And Nintendo games always sell better.

Technically, anything is possible, but most ports may not be worth the investment at all.

There will be a few ports. Nintendo should be financing a couple themselves.
But I believe most 3rd-parties will first observe as things evolve before committing to anything.
 
ziggyrivers said:
If Nintendo plans to release the Switch 2 in March 2024 or Holiday 2024, I doubt they’d stress their supply chain lines with a new themed OLED based on the FAMICOM. Especially with how filled some stored are with all versions of Switch: Lite, V2, OLED White, OLED R&B and Zelda OLED.

Maaaybe we’ll get themed Joycons. Maybe NES game drops in Switch Online
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As we saw with the Zelda TotK OLED, they get manufactured far out in advance of release. They would very well be pumping out some special edition OLED models as we speak before they begin to transition to manufacturing Redacted. My expectation is for Nintendo to stock pile a bunch of Switch units leading up to the production of Redacted. Nintendo has made mention that they want to create a lot of supply when they launch their next hardware and being able to focus 100% on Redacted production would help make that possible.

Z0m3le said:
The foxconn leak from October 2016 said that production had begun that month, it is the one with all the crazy detailed info and was proven correct. Production to release was ~5 months for the Switch.
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Seems like hardware manufactures understand that its necessary to get their product reveal out around the same time as manufacturing starts since leaks are pretty much a guarantee at that point. If Nintendo's statement about having a lot of supply when they release their next hardware can be trusted, then perhaps we should expect manufacturing to begin a couple months sooner than before.

CypressFX said:
Things are heating up I guess (incl that article) it becomes interesting:

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I have had hang ups on announcing Redacted this year for a 1H 2024 release because of the impact it may have on holiday Switch sales, but have softened my stance on this because it may not be all that relevant to the average consumer. The majority of consumers become aware of new consoles either from advertising or word of mouth, and word of mouth doesn't really spread until people have their new consoles in hand. Will it have an impact? Probably some, but 90+ percent of consumers looking to buy a Switch in its seventh year on the market are not made up of people like us who follow videogame news daily. They are buying a Switch because of the large library of games and recent releases like Zelda TotK and upcoming releases like Super Mario Bros Wonder. So a September teaser trailer is certainly possible if Redacted were coming in 1H 2024.
 
Cybergatuno said:
I think people are overestimating the capabilities and impact of the device.
The difference between PS5/XXS and NX2 should be roughly similar to the difference between PS4/XOne and Switch.
Very few last-gen games came to Switch, most of which would certainly be possible.

I do believe anything is possible with enough effort but storage and online will probably still be major pains.

Also, it will take years for NX2 user base to grow.
Any AAA 3rd-party title releasing in the first year will sell to a initially tiny audience.
If there are a handful of those, they will dilute each others sales.
They could have a long tail in sales, but I believe any hype when the release would quickly dry up as new games come out.
And Nintendo games always sell better.

Technically, anything is possible, but most ports may not be worth the investment at all.

There will be a few ports. Nintendo should be financing a couple themselves.
But I believe most 3rd-parties will first observe as things evolve before committing to anything.
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I think the main difference back to 2017 is that right now PS4 is still receiving a lot of titles. In theory the vast majority of new third parties can still run on last gen, while back then PS3 and XBOX360 were pretty much done when Switch released. If Drake really is more or less as powerful as a PS4 it should be way easier to port even new games to it. I think Drake could get more third party ports early on than Switch because of this. Not that it will suddenly receive them on the same level than the other two consoles but I think it should at least be easier to try different games out on Drake for devs. It would be (depending on the game) a bit less of a risk.
 
RennanNT said:
Here's a source for the collaboration.

This summary is a combination of what I've seen in several news across months, I won't lookup for all of them, but if you have other specific things you want a source, I can look it up.

If you want a deep dive, there's also a thread on ResetEra where lawyers like OP describe everything in detail and answer questions (there's too many posts there, so check OP posts and threadmark).
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Thanks for this, I’d read something implying collusion in the last month or so, but didn’t dive deep at the time. I won’t follow up anymore here, as this is a hardware, not a business regulation thread! 🤓
 
NintendoMariah said:
pages haven’t moved. Nothing new…. Sits patiently , and refresh!
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The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
 
I didn't think about it but yesterday was anniversary date of Satoru Iwata's passing. A little tidbit about him is that he was the head developer for the Switch. This was his last parting gift to us Nintendo fans. After the flop of the Wii U the man took a massive paycut just so they didn't have to lay people off. He worked tiressly despite being sick. Unfortunately on July 11th 2015 he passed away leaving behind a great legacy and never seeing the launch and success of the switch a couple years later.

Maybe just maybe Nintendo keeping the switch alive as long as possible is a metaphor for keeping Iwata's name alive. maybe their motivated in taking the crown for the most consoles sold ever.
 
Bnois said:
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The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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This is fantastically bad. It’s hard for me to imagine a worse design for the the Joy-Cons.

Anyone can make them ugly and hard to hold, but it takes a real talent to make the rail even more fragile. Making the sticks even shorter and stubbier? That’s a master at work.
 
oldpuck said:
This is fantastically bad. It’s hard for me to imagine a worse design for the the Joy-Cons.

Anyone can make them ugly and hard to hold, but it takes a real talent to make the rail even more fragile. Making the sticks even shorter and stubbier? That’s a master at work.
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Also, no Scrollwheel Shoulderbuttons.

That alone qualifies this fake as a bad fake.
 
ZachyCatGames said:
You'd think, but nah
~August 2016: Switch begins retail MP
October 2016: Switch is publicly revealed
November 2016: Switch fw v1.0.0 is compiled
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So that just further reinforces my position that Nintendo are likely to wait until the last possible moment to start mass production.

If they want to control leaks, this is probably one way to do it. Wait until it’s unveiled to the world, and then start mass production. Though don’t the manufacturers have to do test trials to make sure the whole assembly works? That also could potentially cause leaks to occur.
 
lexony said:
I love how derpy the logo looks. The 2 slightly slanted downwards gives it the final touch.
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Lol, haven’t even noticed that one. There are some other things like photos on „Max” version not matching, or UI being shown. But overall I think it’s a pretty good photoshop work
 
Cybergatuno said:
I think people are overestimating the capabilities and impact of the device.
The difference between PS5/XXS and NX2 should be roughly similar to the difference between PS4/XOne and Switch.
Very few last-gen games came to Switch, most of which would certainly be possible.

I do believe anything is possible with enough effort but storage and online will probably still be major pains.

Also, it will take years for NX2 user base to grow.
Any AAA 3rd-party title releasing in the first year will sell to a initially tiny audience.
If there are a handful of those, they will dilute each others sales.
They could have a long tail in sales, but I believe any hype when the release would quickly dry up as new games come out.
And Nintendo games always sell better.

Technically, anything is possible, but most ports may not be worth the investment at all.

There will be a few ports. Nintendo should be financing a couple themselves.
But I believe most 3rd-parties will first observe as things evolve before committing to anything.
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I would look at the minimum PC games spec as more telling and I think the power jump from Switch to Switch 2 is going to be greater than equivalent minimum PC specs in that period, which narrows that gap for developers.

Switch got a lot of multiplats, not because it runs on PS4/XBONE, but because they were also on PC also and it was ported through there. And use of Unity/UE4 making porting more straightforward than building a game bespoke for Switch.

I don't really agree with your assestment 'few' last gen (PS4/XBONE) game made it to Switch. Perhaps you're thinking of the high profile day and date releases. In general, lots of games made it to Switch, but not in the way you were expecting.
 
Bnois said:
F01JtfdWIAECH3k

The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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I kinda love this, I'd be so down if nintendo kept it a little obscure looking (maybe not THIS obscure looking as it's a bit of a nightmare). I do wonder what the massive bottom lip bezel on the second box is for though.


only problem is the youtube demons are gonna have another thumbnail
 
Bnois said:
F01JtfdWIAECH3k

The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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Wow. Honestly a LOT of effort went into this whacky design. Like... a lot. UI design... and that thing has been rendered from multiple angles... and the design is just strange enough to be Nintenbelivable. I applaud the effort.
 
Bnois said:
F01JtfdWIAECH3k

The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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Is it possible that the corners in the screen will be rounded in the Switch 2? I don't think so, but every phone and tablet nowadays has that type of screen.
 
Cybergatuno said:
I think people are overestimating the capabilities and impact of the device.
The difference between PS5/XXS and NX2 should be roughly similar to the difference between PS4/XOne and Switch.
Very few last-gen games came to Switch, most of which would certainly be possible.

I do believe anything is possible with enough effort but storage and online will probably still be major pains.

Also, it will take years for NX2 user base to grow.
Any AAA 3rd-party title releasing in the first year will sell to a initially tiny audience.
If there are a handful of those, they will dilute each others sales.
They could have a long tail in sales, but I believe any hype when the release would quickly dry up as new games come out.
And Nintendo games always sell better.

Technically, anything is possible, but most ports may not be worth the investment at all.

There will be a few ports. Nintendo should be financing a couple themselves.
But I believe most 3rd-parties will first observe as things evolve before committing to anything.
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Don’t think 3rd parties will observe too much.

Switch has proved to be a very successful concept. Simple as that. Assuming NG is a very iterative HW, they will probably want to jump as soon as possible.

Specs gap should be closest between PS5 to Switch NG rather than PS4 to Switch 1. Third party support should increase. Nintendo will likely prepare a “Everyone is here” moment regarding third parties like 3DS at E3 2010 or WiiU at E3 2011 for first Switch NG showcase.

Although I would first expect to wait until some leaks/solid rumors starts appearing, then we can start especulating.
 
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Dekuman said:
I would look at the minimum PC games spec as more telling and I think the power jump from Switch to Switch 2 is going to be greater than equivalent minimum PC specs in that period, which narrows that gap for developers.

Switch got a lot of multiplats, not because it runs on PS4/XBONE, but because they were also on PC also and it was ported through there. And use of Unity/UE4 making porting more straightforward than building a game bespoke for Switch.

I don't really agree with your assestment 'few' last gen (PS4/XBONE) game made it to Switch. Perhaps you're thinking of the high profile day and date releases. In general, lots of games made it to Switch, but not in the way you were expecting.
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Good point.

It seems there's a push to make games run well on Steam handhelds, specially the Deck.
NX2 should at least be as powerful as those.
 
The idea that Nintendo has been planning Q2 2024 is possible, but is very unlikely.

Again, the N64 and GameCube are the only game consoles released in the last 39 years to launch in calendar Q2 or Q3. The GameCube launched two weeks before Q4 and the N64 was aiming for Q4, but Mario 64 kept getting delayed.

Essentially all game consoles after the NES have aimed to be released in calendar Q4, with some missing by a few months and being released in calendar Q1, the N64 missing by more because it was so dependent on Mario 64, and the GameCube releasing slightly before calendar Q4.
 
Bnois said:
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The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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I appreciate that whoever made this clearly put some creativity into the design, even if it looks a little silly in places. I love the idea of a bigger screen model.
 
Bnois said:
F01JtfdWIAECH3k

The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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I saw this earlier and was wondering if the slidy joycons were supposed to be like a new form of input or just for comfort. Either idea seems bad.
 
Bnois said:
F01JtfdWIAECH3k

The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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You know... I'm going to choose to believe this is it, so that when Nintendo reveals the real thing and it's ugly, at least I'll be relieved it wasn't this. Serious effort was put into this, there is so much detail, it's hard to imagine how long this took...
 
Bnois said:
F01JtfdWIAECH3k

The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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I like this. It’s the right one supposed to be the lite? Does it connect its top part to the dock? Why is there a bezel at the bottom?

Someone had some fun making this.
 
Bnois said:
F01JtfdWIAECH3k

The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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Clearly the one who made this fake only read funcle #2 post (round larger joycon) but not funcle #1.
 
Bnois said:
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The best I can offer is a fake leak from todays morning. Got posted on some Nintendo subreddit and then closed soon after
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We have been thinking about the next gimmick/ inovation for the next system.
i like mockups because they usually try to visually apply some weird idea.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The idea that Nintendo has been planning Q2 2024 is possible, but is very unlikely.

Again, the N64 and GameCube are the only game consoles released in the last 39 years to launch in calendar Q2 or Q3. The GameCube launched two weeks before Q4 and the N64 was aiming for Q4, but Mario 64 kept getting delayed.

Essentially all game consoles after the NES have aimed to be released in calendar Q4, with some missing by a few months and being released in calendar Q1, the N64 missing by more because it was so dependent on Mario 64, and the GameCube releasing slightly before calendar Q4.
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Throw enough shit on the wall, and it’ll eventually turn into the Mona Lisa, but I’ll be damned if we can accurately predict Nintendo’s moves.
 
Shoulder said:
Throw enough shit on the wall, and it’ll eventually turn into the Mona Lisa, but I’ll be damned if we can accurately predict Nintendo’s moves.
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Okay, but I'm just saying that no company has ever aimed for a release window other than Q4 since the NES (with the exception of the GameCube releasing just before Q4)
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Calendar year.
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Ok, so I’m a little confused then.

GCN launched Nov 5, 2001, which is Q4.

N64 launched June 23, 1996, which is Q2

Wii was Nov 19, 2006, which is also Q4

Wii U was Nov 18, 2012, also Q4

Switch was March 3, 2017, which is Q1

I didn’t look at every single platform has launched, but they’re all over the place in terms of launches, whether it’s regional, or global.
 
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