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Even with this proof that Nintendo has supported BC more than not, the "narrative" going around on the internet is that Nintendo won't provide BC because Nintendo is greedy. That they purposefully chose not to allow Wii U BC on Switch, ignoring the actual reasons, so they could get people to double-dip on games that were ported. So the idea is that Nintendo would do that again. Their assumption is based on practically one instance throughout Nintendo's entire history with gaming consoles.People will look to Nintendo’s history. GBC had BC, GBA had BC, Nintendo DS had BC, and 3DS had it. Basically, the whole handheld line had BC.
Wii and Wii U had BC. I’d imagine GC couldn’t have it with those big N64 cartridges lol. Cartridge to disc….but what happened here? We went from disc Wii U to cartridge based Switch. Going from history alone you’d want to believe Nintendo will want as much BC to their next system. It should be cartridge still.
I don't want to get deeply semantic, but I would view "the games that can be played on a game console" as a core feature of that game console. A value add would be "six months of Crunchyroll". Like how the core proposition of NSO is "able to play online games", and the retro library is the value add.Isn't having the entire eshop of the switch carry over a "value added service"?
You wear it to one sunday league game it'll look tattered enoughGood luck with that one. They are practically the holy grail for Classic Football shirt collectors. Plenty of repros about though.
I would be extremely angry if OG joy cons are even compatible with the next consoleWould you be disappointed if Nintendo used the exact same Joy Cons for the next console?
Right. In a chronological year (which goes a bit beyond the first four reported quarters) I've noted before that several systems seem to reach right around 17m, so I wanted to take into account the possibility of Redacted even topping that a bit.You're talking about the successor's first year on the market, right? Because that's over 18 million units and I don't think it'll reach those numbers by then.
There has been a system launches with Mario in the first half (GBA, N64). There have been both major 2D (NSMB) and 3D (SM64, SMG2) games released in first half. They've also released a major 3D (SMG2) half a year after a major 2D (NSMBW).so first half 2024 basically kills the chance of a 3D Mario launch title correct?
Well I gave up on H223 and that's what's next.Why are people suddenly thinking H124
Lower inflation doesn't mean things going down; that would be deflation. It just means they're not going up as quickly.Is it though? Minimum wage is the same and I haven't seen prices drop at all
But if you ask yourself "Why not PS4?" you might answer yourself "Because while the GPU might be within spitting distance, the CPU sure isn't."Technology wise, it's closer to Series S than PS4, so it would solidly be in the next gen performance band. But when you start making builds for Series S, and then think, why not Drake, and then you're making a handheld mode build for Drake, and now you're in the 2TF range, and you could squeeze out a PS4 port with quarter res textures and 720p resolution, so you do.
Someone at Nintendo needs to be arrested for malpractice if they try that.Would you be disappointed if Nintendo used the exact same Joy Cons for the next console?
Yes, mainly on the point of those dang drifting analog sticks.Would you be disappointed if Nintendo used the exact same Joy Cons for the next console?
Shadow of the Tomb Raider was one of the most expensive games of all time and it made profit/paid itself with like 4-5M. And that's with western AAA budget.If Metroid Prime 4 is one of the most expensive productions ever from Nintendo, along with the likes of BoTW, ToTK, Smash Ultimate, then something went terrible wrong and the project will never pay itself. Metroid haven't even broke the 5M barrier in a single title. Zelda, despite the huge increase in sales, had already surpassed this barrier multiple times.
The only way I can see Prime 4 paying itself, if it's one of the biggest Nintendo productions ever, is if they ditch the Prime game design, go for an open-world Metroid approach and, of course, make it a visual showcase for Switch 2 at launch.
That's just not true.keep in mind Miyamoto said BOTW only needed to sell 2 million to make a profit
BotW didn't cost 120M, and TotK DEFINITELY didn't cost 360M lol. Again those were bad estimates. The 120m number was gained through calculating how much a game that needed to sell 2M would cost, which was already a false statement.it was rumored Breath of the Wild budged was $120 milions(Tears of the Kingdom budget is problaby the triple of this)
Yeah, there's no way they go for 2 titles targeting an overlapping audience in the same day. I think it'd literally kill the sales of MP4 if they release it the same day as a 3D Mario.One problem with Prime 4 and 3D Mario launching together is that they're both single player games and Mario is naturally gonna take up more of people's playtime. There would need to be a multiplayer game that could launch with either of these games (or whatever else Nintendo has in mind for launch). Mayyyybe Pokemon if it's a Holiday launch? It's definitely gonna be on Switch if it isn't cross-gen, but I think that can help, even though Pokemon has never launched alongside a new Nintendo system.
Even with this proof that Nintendo has supported BC more than not, the "narrative" going around on the internet is that Nintendo won't provide BC because Nintendo is greedy. That they purposefully chose not to allow Wii U BC on Switch, ignoring the actual reasons, so they could get people to double-dip on games that were ported. So the idea is that Nintendo would do that again. Their assumption is based on practically one instance throughout Nintendo's entire history with gaming consoles.
But we here all know better than that. Differing architecture, storage differences, etc lie at the root of their decision.
Not too late to join team 2024Shouldn't we be hearing way more leaks if there really were dev kits out in the wild and if Nintendo were planning to announce something soon? I remember Bloomberg and other leakers talking non-stop about the Switch Pro in 2021, and while it was just the OLED model in the end, there was a lot more noise than now.
Nintendo scrapped the version Bandai Namco was working and put Retro Studios to work on the game, since the reboot of it development, Retro Studios has hired top tiers developers, meaning That Metroid Prime 4 is problaby gonna be a masterpiece like the original Metroid Prime .
Metroid Prime was probably one of, if not the most, expensive Nintendo games when it came out.
Answering all of you. I have no doubt Prime 4 will be a masterpiece, much is the faith I place on Retro. But I do question if such expensive production will pay itself if the new Prime 4 stays faithful to the classic Prime game design. Back then, selling above 2.82 million was a huge result. But these same sales wouldn't be great for a modern and expensive production.But if MP4 costs like 80-120M to make when all is said and done, I think 5M would be already a good result. We have to remember most western AAA games cost about that to make and generally sell less
It arguably isn't, and that's why the Value Added Services start from the Nintendo Account and expand into their own little space on the graph. They are just one part of the new account strategy.My point wasn't that BC won't happen, my point was that the "account strategy" that you pointed to is not evidence of it. It is, in fact, evidence of a different strategy which exists independently of the BC question.
Nintendo has had BC before - on every single handheld platform prior to the Switch - and they've had eShops before. Nintendo is selling this as a new strategy, using "value added services". Your gaming library is not a "value added service." Retro games on NSO are "value added service," with the core service being online access. Missions and rewards are a value added service.
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Shouldn't we be hearing way more leaks if there really were dev kits out in the wild and if Nintendo were planning to announce something soon?
Usually, yes. MVG might be right about Nintendo keeping a tight leash on publishers. Either way, we might know sometime in the fall.Shouldn't we be hearing way more leaks if there really were dev kits out in the wild and if Nintendo were planning to announce something soon? I remember Bloomberg and other leakers talking non-stop about the Switch Pro in 2021, and while it was just the OLED model in the end, there was a lot more noise than now.
I was never on team 2023Not too late to join team 2024
I wouldn't mind at all personally.Would you be disappointed if Nintendo used the exact same Joy Cons for the next console?
Answering all of you. I have no doubt Prime 4 will be a masterpiece, much is the faith I place on Retro. But I do question if such expensive production will pay itself if the new Prime 4 stays faithful to the classic Prime game design. Back then, selling above 2.82 million was a huge result. But these same sales wouldn't be great for a modern and expensive production.
Again, I need to see the game first before passing judgement, but I dunno if a classic Prime can sell 4 - 5 Million. Now, if Retro changes Prime to a new thing and go, let's say, open-world, that changes the expectations entirety.
Im glad that at the very least you consider the possibility that mp4 isnt going to be classic prime lol. I feel like those kinds of discussions are pointless because we have no idea how the game will play out, but yeah.Again, I need to see the game first before passing judgement, but I dunno if a classic Prime can sell 4 - 5 Million. Now, if Retro changes Prime to a new thing and go, let's say, open-world, that changes the expectations entirety.
But if you ask yourself "Why not PS4?" you might answer yourself "Because while the GPU might be within spitting distance, the CPU sure isn't."
Not really. Xbox Series X didn't exactly blow up the rumourmill. Meanwhile, right now I'd say there's an appropriate amount of leaks and discussion going on for where they are in the pre-launch period.Shouldn't we be hearing way more leaks if there really were dev kits out in the wild and if Nintendo were planning to announce something soon? I remember Bloomberg and other leakers talking non-stop about the Switch Pro in 2021, and while it was just the OLED model in the end, there was a lot more noise than now.
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You say that but deep down you know someone would...There's no way anyone could possibly even entertain this LOL
That would be career suicide just on the fact that it'd be repeating the same mistake as the Wii U.For entertainment purposes:
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The only way I can see Prime 4 paying itself, if it's one of the biggest Nintendo productions ever, is if they ditch the Prime game design, go for an open-world Metroid approach and, of course, make it a visual showcase for Switch 2 at launch.
I'm kind of curious what's meant by open world in cases like this, and how it's meant to play out in application, because it's always possible something gets lost in communication. I kind of figure it would become as such by the end of the game, but I'm not so sure it'll be wide open from the start.Again, I need to see the game first before passing judgement, but I dunno if a classic Prime can sell 4 - 5 Million. Now, if Retro changes Prime to a new thing and go, let's say, open-world, that changes the expectations entirety.
I guess the other question is what "classic Prime" means. The Prime titles were each rather different in various ways.Im glad that at the very least you consider the possibility that mp4 isnt going to be classic prime lol. I feel like those kinds of discussions are pointless because we have no idea how the game will play out, but yeah.
I dont think most people here are expecting a classic game when they say prime 4 will be setting out a completely new standard for the franchise, Marce certainly isnt.
... Wasn't that supposed to be Other M?Re-invent and expand its gameplay, add a great poignant story and market it with a punching trailer.
It would angry the fans, but it would cater to a whole new wide audience.
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Nintendo is resigned to this Sisyphean doom, because Nintendo will always make the worst choice, because Nintendoomed.That would be career suicide just on the fact that it'd be repeating the same mistake as the Wii U.
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As many have speculated to be the case, I do think Nintendo has tightened the lid on leaks given what happened in 2016 and 2021.
Of course not. Just a trailer in a Direct and then nothing else. I think only Prime1 got some marketing, but only because of the GameCube release.Valid question:
Has a Metroid game been heavily marketed?
I see all this talk of niche, not so blockbuster, but has Nintendo marketed Metroid aggressively?
Other M was. as was DreadValid question:
Has a Metroid game been heavily marketed?
I see all this talk of niche, not so blockbuster, but has Nintendo marketed Metroid aggressively?
Which is the point I wanted to address: Metroid isn’t in a lot of consumers’ psyche because Nintendo doesn’t promote it heavily. You say Nintendo, and people think about Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. No Metroid. That could change. Like how Fire Emblem is seemingly mainstream now. Metroid just needs a good opportunityOf course not. Just a trailer in a Direct and then nothing else. I think only Prime1 got some marketing, but only because of the GameCube release.
Nobody on this forum will like my answer, but:So I have a general question for the thread that isn’t entirely hardware-related:
How does Nintendo maintain or grow their console business from here?
Switch is the third best-selling console to date, with a shot at taking the number one spot.
They have sold half a billion pieces of first-party software on Switch, more than any other console to date. In fact, they may sell more first party software on Switch than on DS and Wii combined (excluding Wii Sports):
Source: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...hardware-sales-data-from-1983-to-present.170/
Some of their games are reaching absolutely ridiculous numbers of over 50 million units sold.
I honestly don’t think there’s a lot of room for improvement on their current model. Even maintaining that kind of sales performance next-gen will be extremely challenging.
How do they grow their console business from here?