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Νεφέλωμα said:
I think some Nintendo designers looked at Bowsette and thought "how didn't we think of this?"
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roccerfeller said:
I would add an informed opinion because he certainly knows a hell of a lot more about hardware than a lot of keyboard warriors purport.

Very few people have given legit counter arguments. Most people just discredit his thoughts cause they disagree or don’t like the idea of NG switch possibly not having backwards compatibility
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I still have no idea who this guy is but the term “keyboard warrior” is the fastest way for me to discredit whatever the heck you’re trying to say
 
Hermii said:
Imo it's likely they already thought about this, when Nintendo went into a multiple decade partnership with Nvidia. It was likely a term of the deal.
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It also falls in line with what Iwata said years ago just as they were going to unify their development divisions. They wanted to follow a more “Apple approach” to development, and transitions.

If they have kept that up, then more than likely, Nintendo worked with Nvidia to provide either some development tools to keep legacy games working on future hardware, and/or added a compatibility layer ala Proton, and can translate instructions/executables on the fly. Though that last one I wonder if it would require something at the hardware level to make it work.

That said, given Switch games only use 3 of the 4 cores available on the X1, and Drake has 8 cores, it may be possible through a translation/compatibility layer that some of the unused cores in BC mode would be used for that purpose.

Comparing the Cortex A57 cores to the Cortex A78(C) cores though is probably more difficult with regards to backwards compatibility, though I’m sure someone else can provide some better insight towards that.

Needless to say, BC I fully expect to be included, but I think similar to what Nintendo did with the Mario 3D All-Stars collection, it could end up being a mix of actual porting, and emulation of the game code. Nintendo has a pathway of many things from a development standpoint that some consider to be unnatural.

I’d also be curious how NVN2 will differ from NVN, and if those instructions are already built into the API. Like I said, not a developer, nor ever programmed in my life. Just asking questions of what may be possible.
 
just seems kind of a lack of imagination regarding backwards compatible being impossible unless it's straight up the same hardware but better. Surely the engineers at Nvidia in partnership with Nintendo would have found a solution even before drake was fully completed. Probably not a 100% success rate just like PS4 to PS5 but enough that it'd work for a vast majority of games.
 
Shoulder said:
That said, given Switch games only use 3 of the 4 cores available on the X1, and Drake has 8 cores, it may be possible through a translation/compatibility layer that some of the unused cores in BC mode would be used for that purpose.

Comparing the Cortex A57 cores to the Cortex A78(C) cores though is probably more difficult with regards to backwards compatibility, though I’m sure someone else can provide some better insight towards that.
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Arm mentions that the Armv8 extensions (e.g. Armv8.2, etc.), which the Cortex-A78C uses, are backwards compatible with Armv8, which the Cortex-A57 uses. So I don't think the CPU's the problem with respect to backwards compatibility. The GPU's probably the problem, although not an impossible problem to solve.
 
Lugia667 said:
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Honestly if the next game from the Odyssey team is in fact a Odyssey 2, really wonder if they do this as a thing, or actually acknowledge the whole thing in passing or introducing a character that pretty much fills that role XD

The fact they toyed with it around the time U deluxe likely was in planning stages makes the mind wonder
 
I'm not expecting any hardware announcements this week...But i'm still going to keep my eyes open. Who knows? Maybe that July pattern people pointed out is true after all.
 
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BloodMoon said:
Zero chance this happens IMO. Can’t see Nintendo dropping approx £50M (per season) for that.

Besides, would look so much better on a Fulham shirt…
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easy, just give everyone at old trafford a switch 2 for the first 10 games of the season instead

also, a famiboards fulham fan?! hella unexpected lol
 
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I think everyone from MVG to people who understand hardware on here are on the same page when it comes to BC with a Switch 2. Atleast, the understanding of it’s not as simple as a click of a button. To me the issue isn’t MVG saying it can’t be done because he doesn’t say that.

The discussion comes from will nintendo do what’s needed to be done to have as much BC as possible.
 
Dakhil said:
Arm mentions that the Armv8 extensions (e.g. Armv8.2, etc.), which the Cortex-A78C uses, are backwards compatible with Armv8, which the Cortex-A57 uses. So I don't think the CPU's the problem with respect to backwards compatibility. The GPU's probably the problem, although not an impossible problem to solve.
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That’s a fair point, and honestly I had forgotten about that. It must be the differences in architecture between Maxwell, and Ampere.

Actually, I think @Goodtwin once told me about that very thing a while back.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I think everyone from MVG to people who understand hardware on here are on the same page when it comes to BC with a Switch 2. Atleast, the understanding of it’s not as simple as a click of a button. To me the issue isn’t MVG saying it can’t be done because he doesn’t say that.

The discussion comes from will nintendo do what’s needed to be done to have as much BC as possible.
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I’d be shocked if backwards compatibility wasn’t large and in charge no matter what the tech.

Nintendo is dumb but they’re not stupid.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I think everyone from MVG to people who understand hardware on here are on the same page when it comes to BC with a Switch 2. Atleast, the understanding of it’s not as simple as a click of a button. To me the issue isn’t MVG saying it can’t be done because he doesn’t say that.

The discussion comes from will nintendo do what’s needed to be done to have as much BC as possible.
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Agreed. Ultimately, that is the point of contention here. I personally believe that Nintendo wants to incorporate BC however they can, so as to ease consumers into the successor and Nvidia may have a solution to that. Iirc, MVG believes that the solutions to this issue are too costly or cumbersome for Nintendo to pursue, which is understandable.
 
Discostew said:
You most certainly can though. The games may be linked to the account as opposed to the platform like their prior platforms, but that says nothing about their compatibility with later hardware. Not saying the NX2 won't have BC with Switch games, but this isn't proof towards that.
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You can, but you're also asking for trouble if you try. There is now an expectation of backwards (or would it be forward?) compatibility when buying a stand-alone piece of digital software on a digital platform with an account system.

oldpuck said:
I disagree. Not that I am saying that there will not be backwards compatibility, just that it's detached from using the account system in the way Nintendo is talking about. Bringing along your existing library is a huge win, but it's not an incentive to upgrade. It's the elimination of a barrier to upgrading.

Nintendo wants to set it up that to get the full value of your game system you need to an account. Then, come transition time, they invert that - to get full use of the account (which you're likely paying for) you need a new game system.

Want to keep all your Happy Home Paradise islands that you've spent 100 hours building? Keep paying for NSO+! But future NSO+ member benefits will only be available on Switch 2 - so if you want any of that juicy content you are already paying for, time to upgrade.

Want to continue to play the retro library you love? Sorry, it's 2026 and the NSO servers are shutting down, Switch's emulators will stop working. But don't worry, your account already works on Switch 2.

Log into your Switch to check NSO missions? They're all for games that you can't get on your old Switch.

The usage of Nintendo accounts is that you have an ongoing relationship with Nintendo in some form, and Nintendo can change the nature of that relationship to entice you to move to the next console. That's independent of you being able to take your library with you.
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All of your examples revolve around the live service part of the account system (the NSO subscription and benefits) but the other big part are digital software purchases. Having those carry forward (within reason) has become somewhat of a standard across multiple industries.

Like okay, sure. Nintendo could, in theory, not have BC on the next-gen Switch and still have that qualify as an 'account system'. However, the current standards, alongside Nintendo's past efforts to offer BC when account systems and smooth transitions were not even one of their major talking points make this scenario extremely unlikely, to the point where I don't even find it worth entertaining.
 
D36 said:
Agreed. Ultimately, that is the point of contention here. I personally believe that Nintendo wants to incorporate BC however they can, so as to ease consumers into the successor and Nvidia may have a solution to that. Iirc, MVG believes that the solutions to this issue are too costly or cumbersome for Nintendo to pursue, which is understandable.
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I guess it's an understandable viewpoint, I just don't think there's any solid basis for it given the business incentives of both Nvidia and Nintendo to make it work and Nintendos previous history with BC.

And no matter how skilled the emulation community is, and how well they know how Switch software works (all respect to them), they are still hobbyists, they still rely on reverse engineering this stuff. They are not on the level of Nvidia themselves who have 100% control of the hardware and the software that will be running on the new Switch.
 
Nintendo already sponsored florentina (amazing kit). As an arsenal fan I DESERVE THIS!

(north london is red btw)
 
People will look to Nintendo’s history. GBC had BC, GBA had BC, Nintendo DS had BC, and 3DS had it. Basically, the whole handheld line had BC.

Wii and Wii U had BC. I’d imagine GC couldn’t have it with those big N64 cartridges lol. Cartridge to disc….but what happened here? We went from disc Wii U to cartridge based Switch. Going from history alone you’d want to believe Nintendo will want as much BC to their next system. It should be cartridge still.
 
Dark Cloud said:
People will look to Nintendo’s history. GBC had BC, GBA had BC, Nintendo DS had BC, and 3DS had it. Basically, the whole handheld line had BC.

Wii and Wii U had BC. I’d imagine GC couldn’t have it with those big N64 cartridges lol. Cartridge to disc….but what happened here? We went from disc Wii U to cartridge based Switch. Going from history alone you’d want to believe Nintendo will want as much BC to their next system. It should be cartridge still.
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The Switch was a much needed clean technology break so they get a pass, the next Switch won't be.
 
Mekanos said:
I still have no idea who this guy is but the term “keyboard warrior” is the fastest way for me to discredit whatever the heck you’re trying to say
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Lol.

Ok, Why? And if you’re not sure what I’m trying to say then what is there to discredit?

Mvg certainly knows more than I do. I’m sure he knows more than others so the backlash against him is not really warranted.

Also - why does it matter if I’m “somebody”? Like, who are you that it matters? I don’t really get why that statement was necessary
 
John Omaha said:
It does, however, need to be a heavy-hitter, and Metroid just hasn't been that so far
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Well. I think this the point on which we have two different perspectives. Taking into consideration Nintendo wants to have a smooth transition, it is possible and probable that they will want to sell the NGS first to their "hardcore fanbase" and then transition to more mainstream audiences.

At launch they will only have a few (million) consoles produced and they know the most eager to buy it will be their "hardcore" fan base. Those who have had the Switch since launch, those who want to play OG Switch games at higher res and stable, frame rates and those who think highly of the Metroid Prime franchise. IMO they will use the game for attracting those consumers, then they will transition with cross-system games, and when the numbers are right, they will launch the big console exclusive. May be Mario, may be some other franchise.

If you think about it, and considering that Metroid is the lesser franchise, it would serve their purpose better than 3D Mario.
 
John Omaha said:
Like okay, sure. Nintendo could, in theory, not have BC on the next-gen Switch and still have that qualify as an 'account system'. However, the current standards, alongside Nintendo's past efforts to offer BC when account systems and smooth transitions were not even one of their major talking points make this scenario extremely unlikely, to the point where I don't even find it worth entertaining.
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My point wasn't that BC won't happen, my point was that the "account strategy" that you pointed to is not evidence of it. It is, in fact, evidence of a different strategy which exists independently of the BC question.

Nintendo has had BC before - on every single handheld platform prior to the Switch - and they've had eShops before. Nintendo is selling this as a new strategy, using "value added services". Your gaming library is not a "value added service." Retro games on NSO are "value added service," with the core service being online access. Missions and rewards are a value added service.
 
oldpuck said:
My point wasn't that BC won't happen, my point was that the "account strategy" that you pointed to is not evidence of it. It is, in fact, evidence of a different strategy which exists independently of the BC question.

Nintendo has had BC before - on every single handheld platform prior to the Switch - and they've had eShops before. Nintendo is selling this as a new strategy, using "value added services". Your gaming library is not a "value added service." Retro games on NSO are "value added service," with the core service being online access. Missions and rewards are a value added service.
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Isn't having the entire eshop of the switch carry over a "value added service"?
 
roccerfeller said:
Lol.

Ok, Why? And if you’re not sure what I’m trying to say then what is there to discredit?

Mvg certainly knows more than I do. I’m sure he knows more than others so the backlash against him is not really warranted.

Also - why does it matter if I’m “somebody”? Like, who are you that it matters? I don’t really get why that statement was necessary
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Your logical fallacy is appeal to authority

You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.
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