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[Cybergatuno]

I hope not because I can't have access to it, and apparently threads isn't very usable on PC so it's useless to me.

I heard they don't even have a web portal. Do they have apps for PCs?
They're probably enforcing mobile app usage so they can collect all our data.

I’d love a StarFox game to see out the Switches time, even if it was just a port of StarFox Zero. I’m surprised it’s considered a favourite of Miyamoto, considering the lack of attention it’s had the last generation

I think Star Fox could become the next big franchise if they modernize it and put some investment in it.
A AAA space action/adventure with Nintendo's touch is very attractive on paper.
I liked Starlink but it had that Ubisoft smell all over it. Nintendo could have made something grandiose out of it.

I did like a few games in the Star Fox series, but gaming has evolved quite a bit since then.
Ports or new games in the same vein would be quick cash-grabbing snacks that I would probably overlook.

 

[DrJay]

I think Star Fox could become the next big franchise if they modernize it and put some investment in it.
A AAA space action/adventure with Nintendo's touch is very attractive on paper.
I liked Starlink but it had that Ubisoft smell all over it. Nintendo could have made something grandiose out of it.

I did like a few games in the Star Fox series, but gaming has evolved quite a bit since then.
Ports or new games in the same vein would be quick cash-grabbing snacks that I would probably overlook.

I agree. I never got the negativity around starfox. It has incredible atmosphere and a good Action/adventure in that universe definitely could be a big thing. I wouldnt even need a 1000 planets to buy it.

 

[LuigiBlood]

I don't know if I am alone or if I am just petty, but sometimes this UI makes me not want to start the console to play a game when I know I need to go to the second menu on the right.

It's just unexplainably depressing

The UI being lightning fast and simple is the reason why I easily go back to the Switch more than literally any other console

 

[radbirb]

Drake/T239 uses GA10F (Geforce/Graphics Ampere) it is custom and seems to have some upgraded components, which includes the optical engine that Orin uses, that is vital to DLSS 3.0's frame generation, however it's separate from Ada Lovelace, and we don't know which is superior or if Orin/Drake's Optical engine is fast enough to support frame generation. We will learn if it is at a later time.

I see, huge thanks for explaining <3

I heard they don't even have a web portal. Do they have apps for PCs?
They're probably enforcing mobile app usage so they can collect all our data.

As much as I dislike "Meta" (facebook xd), since Threads will be integrating Fediverse (Mastodon, lemmy, bluesky, etc) a bit after launch, I have hope in it bringing the fediverse to the mainstream and popularising it enough to the point I can stick to Mastodon and not really miss anything I wanna see on Threads (ex. posts from big companies who only use big mainstream platforms to post official updates like Nintendo or Sony). I rarely give props to Meta but if this is pulled off well I can see the success of Threads being a win-win for everyone on the internet, including those who want a more privacy-sane internet.

 

[karmitt]

I hope not because I can't have access to it, and apparently threads isn't very usable on PC so it's useless to me.

It’s also not available in EU right now. I’m sure there’s more than a few strikes against the idea, but I did like being able to post from my Switch on Twitter every once in a while, and I’m very ready to leave Twitter behind.

 

[Hermii]

NX2 isn't the code name for the next device, but NX is the name of the platform which includes the Switch successor, we know this because of the Nvidia leak, so NX2 is a good quick hand for it, though you might be explaining that it's just a community nickname for the Switch successor until we have a codename or official name. We also have plenty of other nicknames, such as the Succ, Switch 2, REDACTED, and NG Switch.

Saw some power profile thing being passed around for the "devkit" all rumor, but 11w portable and 28w+ when docked... It's important to remember that devkits will have a higher CPU clock to run the debug software and just for general stability, Switch devkits for instance run at 1.2GHz. This could count for 1 or 2 watts, so retail units would draw 9 to 10 watts when portable if this rumor is correct.

The docked number is also easily explained, to me this is a case of a 15w draw for charging the battery, thus the power draw for the system is 13w to 14w, again with 1 to 2 watts going towards that higher CPU clock, basically these numbers more or less match launch Switch units, another thing to consider is that 5000mah batteries are very common in both high end and budget phones, this is a reasonable upgrade to expect for Switch's successor, as the Switch used a 4315mah battery.


Drake/T239 uses GA10F (Geforce/Graphics Ampere) it is custom and seems to have some upgraded components, which includes the optical engine that Orin uses, that is vital to DLSS 3.0's frame generation, however it's separate from Ada Lovelace, and we don't know which is superior or if Orin/Drake's Optical engine is fast enough to support frame generation. We will learn if it is at a later time.

Where did you find that power stuff?

 

[Z0m3le]

Where did you find that power stuff?

It's being discussed in the pipeline discord, but the source is 4chan.

The only new information is storage speed and that power draw number iirc. I would expect a troll not to realize they need to add 15w for charging, as Switch uses 5w for charging, so I do tend to think this could be real. Also that ~500MB/s read speed sounds about right, as they can lower the clocks to save battery life and that should be all you need for UE5's streaming tech.

 

[Hermii]

It's being discussed in the pipeline discord, but the source is 4chan.

The only new information is storage speed and that power draw number iirc. I would expect a troll not to realize they need to add 15w for charging, as Switch uses 5w for charging, so I do tend to think this could be real. Also that ~500MB/s read speed sounds about right, as they can lower the clocks to save battery life and that should be all you need for UE5's streaming tech.

Nah, that whole post strikes me as made up. To much diverging information about software and hardware, a dev with a devkit wouldn't know all that. Plus it's 4chan.

 

[Bonejack]

Can't you folks behave for one evening? I may need my weekends, but i also need my evenings! :]

My Tik Tok gets more views than he does anyway, so that's a small comfort . What a jackass.

I knew it. I always expected you being one of those "K-Pop dance recreation" people on TikTok.

 

[Pokemaniac]

So Threads is live, and it’s booming for the moment. Do we think Nintendo will actually move a muscle to support it in lieu of Twitter?

It's more likely Miiverse returns.

 

[Z0m3le]

Nah, that whole post strikes me as made up. To much diverging information about software and hardware, a dev with a devkit wouldn't know all that. Plus it's 4chan.

I mean the pokemon leak was 4chan, a reasonable leak is going to be fake 1000 times for every correct leak, but there is nothing there really. Also, someone working on Fortnite for the Switch, would likely know about these upgrade things, since they are almost certainly doing work at EPIC in order to make an upgrade path like this possible, I just hate pointing this stuff out, because it narrows the possibility of where this leak if true came from.

The Spanish devkit leak is real as far as I can gather from other people, so I do think that leaks will accelerate, and retail production will be happening in a handful of months at most, since final devkits use the same hardware found in retail units for the most part and final devkits are given around 12 months (give or take a few) before release of new hardware. Thus a Spring or Fall release for Switch 2 is what this indicates to me, though everyone is expecting that now.

 

[RedBees]

I know I'm really late to this, but here are the facts about the developer portal:

• Anyone can make an account to gain access to the developer portal; last I checked the accounts aren't even manually approved. This has been the case since 2016 when Nintendo opened up 3DS/Wii U development to everyone.
• New accounts by default only have access to the 3DS and Wii U sections of the site. To get Switch access you have to fill out a form (this was introduced a few years back; early on, there was no formal process for this, you just had to email Nintendo and ask for it)
• Sections of the site which you don't have access to are invisible. They don't show up in the sidebar.
• The "Nintendo Switch" icon, name, and sidebar positioning lines up exactly with what I've seen, as someone who has seen screenshots of the portal logged in with Switch access. This means the person who took/made the screenshot probably has Switch access (doesn't make it more credible necessarily though, could easily just be someone screwing around).

 

[Mbolibombo]

I should've known better than reading the comments to that 4chan post.

 

[Hermii]

I mean the pokemon leak was 4chan, a reasonable leak is going to be fake 1000 times for every correct leak, but there is nothing there really. Also, someone working on Fortnite for the Switch, would likely know about these upgrade things, since they are almost certainly doing work at EPIC in order to make an upgrade path like this possible, I just hate pointing this stuff out, because it narrows the possibility of where this leak if true came from.

The Spanish devkit leak is real as far as I can gather from other people, so I do think that leaks will accelerate, and retail production will be happening in a handful of months at most, since final devkits use the same hardware found in retail units for the most part and final devkits are given around 12 months (give or take a few) before release of new hardware. Thus a Spring or Fall release for Switch 2 is what this indicates to me, though everyone is expecting that now.

Would someone working on Fortnite know Nintendos first party plans? Would they be dumb enough to say things only someone working on Fortnite would know? Would the BC stuff even be relevant to their work?

Imo it's 100% fake and not even worth entertaining.

 

[karmitt]

It's more likely Miiverse returns.

I don’t think we can understate the value of Switch content posting on Twitter. Plenty of viral Zelda videos out there because of it (among other games).

If Twitter dies off, they should at least consider other channels.

 

[Z0m3le]

Would someone working on Fortnite know Nintendos first party plans? Would they be dumb enough to say things only someone working on Fortnite would know? Would the BC stuff even be relevant to their work?

Imo it's 100% fake and not even worth entertaining.

Sure, I literally saw this a few hours ago, it was discussed earlier in the day, but what isn't worth entertaining here? We know how these leaks work, there is information, and then there is speculation tied to it, usually stuff they have "heard", Insiders do this constantly, listen to Jeff Grubb or anyone else really, they inject information they have with stuff they heard. Really though, what are we worried about here? The power consumption numbers? The storage speed? These are things we've already been discussing, it's not really about whether this is a real or fake leak, just about discussing what it actually is saying, whether these things make sense in context or not. It's not like we are trusting this person going forward, because 4chan is anon.

 

[Pokemaniac]

I don’t think we can understate the value of Switch content posting on Twitter. Plenty of viral Zelda videos out there because of it (among other games).

If Twitter dies off, they should at least consider other channels.

I mean, if it takes off they might add it to their image share tool, but nothing beyond that. If there's one lesson that should be taken from the state of the Internet in 2023, it's that general purpose social media sites should not be used for critical infrastructure. I expect any "load bearing" social media use in upcoming Nintendo projects will happen somewhere they control.

 

[Bonejack]

Pretty sure Nintendo will keep eyes on Threads, but as long as there's still some issues open, like completely missing in the EU (outside of UK i think), they won't actively engage with that.

 

[LukasManak22]

Just heard he was finally banned

 

[karmitt]

I mean, if it takes off they might add it to their image share tool, but nothing beyond that. If there's one lesson that should be taken from the state of the Internet in 2023, it's that general purpose social media sites should not be used for critical infrastructure. I expect any "load bearing" social media use in upcoming Nintendo projects will happen somewhere they control.

What else are we referring to? I’m only talking about sharing on the platform here.

 

[Link_enfant]

In a few hours, it will be exactly 2 years since the OLED model reveal trailer.
2 Years.
Switch 2. Patterns, I tell you.
It's happening.

(still kinda hopeful something happens this month but after that, best case scenario would be reveal in Sept/Oct )

 

[Z0m3le]

I think we waste too much energy on if a leak is real or fake, the NX2 portal thing being real or not, doesn't actually matter... Devkits are in the wild, developers with access to these devkits, almost certainly have access to a development portal for it, call it a reenactment based on someone's imagination, or the real deal, it doesn't change anything about what the thing is saying. All that is in question here is whether the portal would use NX2 or not, and to me that is completely irrelevant.

The 4Chan post is similar, UE5 requires 500MB/s for the full support, Nintendo not having that in their new system and Miyamoto declaring that Nintendo has mastered UE, is hilarious, but means that Nintendo probably didn't miss on that requirement IMO. That is really the only new information from that "leak" it could just be a good break down of current information and expectations, but why not add RAM capacity or something like that, it's all we are really waiting on now IMO, as I believe the range of reasonable clocks are more or less giving us within ~80% of the system's actual performance anyways.

 

[Hermii]

I think we waste too much energy on if a leak is real or fake, the NX2 portal thing being real or not, doesn't actually matter... Devkits are in the wild, developers with access to these devkits, almost certainly have access to a development portal for it, call it a reenactment based on someone's imagination, or the real deal, it doesn't change anything about what the thing is saying. All that is in question here is whether the portal would use NX2 or not, and to me that is completely irrelevant.

The 4Chan post is similar, UE5 requires 500MB/s for the full support, Nintendo not having that in their new system and Miyamoto declaring that Nintendo has mastered UE, is hilarious, but means that Nintendo probably didn't miss on that requirement IMO. That is really the only new information from that "leak" it could just be a good break down of current information and expectations, but why not add RAM capacity or something like that, it's all we are really waiting on now IMO, as I believe the range of reasonable clocks are more or less giving us within ~80% of the system's actual performance anyways.

Because ram capacity is more concrete and verifiable, the rest are just safe guesses.

"there are many profiles, prioritizing gpu and cpu", is also a convenient way to avoid specifics.

 

[Giancarlo]

Well that's unfortunate. No ill will to NintendoPrime but folks should respect confidentiality.

Though I guess to keep from derailing further: with the idea of Nintendo Accounts having a smooth transition into a next generation device, what kind of enhancements do you think might be offered in Drake? Will newer platforms like Gamecube potentially be added to NSO?

maybe games that have performance isseus on Switch, will have a more stable performance

 

[Gerald]

I doubt that this 4chan thing is real

 

[Z0m3le]

I doubt that this 4chan thing is real

just for clarification, I don't believe it's real, I am entertaining the information inside of it.

 

[Giancarlo]

We are all expecting HOS to be the one in use for the switch NeXt, so it’ll be pretty lean and light. But as it’s a new GPU and has new features it won’t be the same occupancy I think. Current one does ~800MB right?



I think the next one would be a 1GB or 1.25GB. Maybe stretch to 1.5GB. But I think 1-1.25GB is a nice expectation unless something bloats or something changes that we don’t expect.

hopefully with the Switch sucessor having more RAM, Nintendo could add at least themes/music on the console menu/eShop.

 

[lexony]

I think we waste too much energy on if a leak is real or fake, the NX2 portal thing being real or not, doesn't actually matter... Devkits are in the wild, developers with access to these devkits, almost certainly have access to a development portal for it, call it a reenactment based on someone's imagination, or the real deal, it doesn't change anything about what the thing is saying. All that is in question here is whether the portal would use NX2 or not, and to me that is completely irrelevant.

The 4Chan post is similar, UE5 requires 500MB/s for the full support, Nintendo not having that in their new system and Miyamoto declaring that Nintendo has mastered UE, is hilarious, but means that Nintendo probably didn't miss on that requirement IMO. That is really the only new information from that "leak" it could just be a good break down of current information and expectations, but why not add RAM capacity or something like that, it's all we are really waiting on now IMO, as I believe the range of reasonable clocks are more or less giving us within ~80% of the system's actual performance anyways.

Yeah I fully agree. My analysis just was for entertainment purposes like another member here likes to say. I actually was more interested in the icon itself, I‘m really into graphic design.

 

[Sabre]

As contrarian as it sounds, I just want an actual console again. I've always found the handheld aspect of the switch clunky and awkward. It's great on the go, but when I'm home it remains firmly docked and I'm on my second playthrough of TOTK and I just keep thinking to myself, every time it's clipping or chugging during intense loads, just give us a stable frame rate. Maybe even make two versions of the next iteration. A beefier home console and a separate dock-able less powered version.

 

[Dude_lookinatleak]

Ok, no way in hell is I reading through 8 pages in one day. Can somebody summarize, please?

Also.. anyone post this yet here (like today)? I don't think this deconfirms the F-Zero GX port rumor.. unless there's been a deconfirmation that I'm unaware of. Nate, have you heard any updates about GX?

Takaya Imamura: F-Zero Hasn't Been Revived Because Mario Kart Is Nintendo's "Most Popular Racing Game"

A new F-Zero would also "cost a fortune", apparently

www.nintendolife.com

On a slightly unrelated note, I think it would be cool if Nintendo collaborated with WB Games to make an F-Zero game with a story mode that plays like Arkham/Spider-Man PS4 where you play as Captain Falcon and a variety of unlockable racers where you take down enemies with original moves. I think it would be original enough to justify a new game, especially if it was on the Switch successor with higher end graphics in UE5

 

[Stefan51278]

As contrarian as it sounds, I just want an actual console again. I've always found the handheld aspect of the switch clunky and awkward. It's great on the go, but when I'm home it remains firmly docked and I'm on my second playthrough of TOTK and I just keep thinking to myself, every time it's clipping or chugging during intense loads, just give us a stable frame rate. Maybe even make two versions of the next iteration. A beefier home console and a separate dock-able less powered version.

I don't think Nintendo will offer a version of Switch NG which works in only in TV-Mode. Having more horsepower in that home console is even less likely to happen. It would make no sense for all the players who switch between docked and portable mode, because having two devices is always more expensive than building a Switch with reasonable more performance in docked mode. Docked and Portable performance can't differ too much, but the factor could be higher than the factor of the current Switch.

Switch could be the Nintendo-way-of-life until our cloud-gaming-overlord Microsoft takes over the gaming world.

 

[Νεφέλωμα]

As contrarian as it sounds, I just want an actual console again. I've always found the handheld aspect of the switch clunky and awkward. It's great on the go, but when I'm home it remains firmly docked and I'm on my second playthrough of TOTK and I just keep thinking to myself, every time it's clipping or chugging during intense loads, just give us a stable frame rate. Maybe even make two versions of the next iteration. A beefier home console and a separate dock-able less powered version.

The evolution of Nintendo to the hybrid console (a portable that you can connect to a TV) was inevitable due to mobile computing power aproaching console computing power in the 2010s. And supporting one handheld and one home console at the same time would have hold them back in the age where games take 4 to 5 years to develop. They won't go back and I think they shouldn't. It's a nice option to have that gives more flexibility to the platform. And with Apple going the ARM way, other console manufacturers are no doubt looking at the hybrid console model.

 

[Sabre]

The evolution of Nintendo to the hybrid console (a portable that you can connect to a TV) was inevitable due to mobile computing power aproaching console computing power in the 2010s. And supporting one handheld and one home console at the same time would have hold them back in the age where games take 4 to 5 years to develop. They won't go back and I think they shouldn't. It's a nice option to have that gives more flexibility to the platform. And with Apple going the ARM way, other console manufacturers are no doubt looking at the hybrid console model.

You just said it yourself, mobile computing is closing in on comparable base line computing power to some degree. I find hand-held gaming a novelty, it's fine in short bursts but if you actually want to play a game it turns gimmicky very quickly. They want the best of both worlds but it doesn't work, imagine if TOTK was given room to properly breathe. It's significantly hampered. Have you ever tried to play Fortnite or Apex Legends on a Switch? It's an absolutely miserable experience.

 

[TSR3]

hopefully with the Switch sucessor having more RAM, Nintendo could add at least themes/music on the console menu/eShop.

I’d be happy just with more theme colours than just black or white

 

[LuigiBlood]

I still think a Switch TV alongside the Switch Lite is a good idea to make a cheaper system, but honestly I just mostly leave the console on the dock and I don't really think twice about it. I don't feel a need to buy a Switch TV (and definitely not a Switch Lite) just to satiate, honestly, a very specific need that isn't really needed...

EDIT: Heck having something like that is handy when you don't wanna turn on the TV, and frankly, it's a great system for when the power cuts itself because that means I don't lose progress...

 

[Link_enfant]

You just said it yourself, mobile computing is closing in on comparable base line computing power to some degree. I find hand-held gaming a novelty, it's fine in short bursts but if you actually want to play a game it turns gimmicky very quickly. They want the best of both worlds but it doesn't work, imagine if TOTK was given room to properly breathe. It's significantly hampered. Have you ever tried to play Fortnite or Apex Legends on a Switch? It's an absolutely miserable experience.

This kind of drawbacks due to the hybdrid factor should be nowhere near as frustrating on NX 2, at least for a veeeery long time imo.
That's part of why I assume so many enthusiasts are so desperate for this hardware.
Switch, in some ways, is a perfect concept but NX 2 could be its perfect execution.
Way more capable and optimized to allow for an actual great experience on a majority of games.

 

[Z0m3le]

You just said it yourself, mobile computing is closing in on comparable base line computing power to some degree. I find hand-held gaming a novelty, it's fine in short bursts but if you actually want to play a game it turns gimmicky very quickly. They want the best of both worlds but it doesn't work, imagine if TOTK was given room to properly breathe. It's significantly hampered. Have you ever tried to play Fortnite or Apex Legends on a Switch? It's an absolutely miserable experience.

This is like saying Laptops can't play games.

 

[ziggyrivers]

This are my personal priorities Nintendo shouls focus:
• Better eShop functionality;
• An OS that has SOME themes.

With the Mario Movie, it wouldn’t surprise me we got four default themes:
• Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad

Maybe even throw Daisy and Yoshi because of SMB Wonder

 

[Cybergatuno]

As contrarian as it sounds, I just want an actual console again. I've always found the handheld aspect of the switch clunky and awkward. It's great on the go, but when I'm home it remains firmly docked and I'm on my second playthrough of TOTK and I just keep thinking to myself, every time it's clipping or chugging during intense loads, just give us a stable frame rate. Maybe even make two versions of the next iteration. A beefier home console and a separate dock-able less powered version.

Not gonna happen.

Nintendo has the hybrid market segment all to itself. The Switch works for enthusiasts, casuals and kids.
Going back to a home console would throw it all away.

During the FTC trial, there were claims that half the PS5 owners also owned a Switch.
I can't pull numbers but I suspect a very higher percentage of Switch owners also own other gaming systems.
The Switch is not directly competing because it's very complementary, selling to the same customers as other systems, and then some who like to play handheld.
They are directly competing for attention with their games. People who bought TotK are a lot less likely to buy games on other systems for a couple of months. The hardest part, putting hardware in the hands of customers, is easier because of the complementary hybrid nature.

They could release two systems, but they would yet again split their development teams, split their user base, and for each system release half the games for half the audience. That's at most 1/2 the revenue.

Personally, the hybrid nature (and BotW) is what really got me into the ecosystem and would be much less invested in the ecosystem of a home console.

 

[Concernt]

When are they gonna announce this Godforsaken toaster on steroids? If the thread is gonna spiral more and more often, we might all just go crazy......

Anyway, do we think this thing is gonna have any accessibility features?

If it's any consolation, I did have a dream about it. It was easier to dock than before.

 

[eye0h]

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It's being discussed in the pipeline discord, but the source is 4chan.

The only new information is storage speed and that power draw number iirc. I would expect a troll not to realize they need to add 15w for charging, as Switch uses 5w for charging, so I do tend to think this could be real. Also that ~500MB/s read speed sounds about right, as they can lower the clocks to save battery life and that should be all you need for UE5's streaming tech.

is that cord public? -

 

[Z0m3le]

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[Hermii]

If it's any consolation, I did have a dream about it. It was easier to dock than before.

I trust your subconscious mind, a lot more than I trust some of these leaks.

 

[snorkellingfish]

You just said it yourself, mobile computing is closing in on comparable base line computing power to some degree. I find hand-held gaming a novelty, it's fine in short bursts but if you actually want to play a game it turns gimmicky very quickly. They want the best of both worlds but it doesn't work, imagine if TOTK was given room to properly breathe. It's significantly hampered. Have you ever tried to play Fortnite or Apex Legends on a Switch? It's an absolutely miserable experience.

The flipside:

I don't have all that much time to game at home, but my train commute is about 45 minutes each way. To me being able to play handheld isn't a novelty or gimicky - it's something that lets me give games like TotK the time they deserve.

Which, I guess, is why Nintendo have gone with a handheld form factor. They want something that works well enough for as many of us as possible, with all our different lives and gaming preferences.

 

[YolkFolk]

As contrarian as it sounds, I just want an actual console again. I've always found the handheld aspect of the switch clunky and awkward. It's great on the go, but when I'm home it remains firmly docked and I'm on my second playthrough of TOTK and I just keep thinking to myself, every time it's clipping or chugging during intense loads, just give us a stable frame rate. Maybe even make two versions of the next iteration. A beefier home console and a separate dock-able less powered version.

Just not realistic is it?

You’re asking a gigantic corporation to change their highly successful business plan aimed at over a hundred million users and change it for you which would probably result in said business being far less successful.

People make comments like this all the time at the end of a console generation. PS3 owners (frame rate geek ones) complained about The Last of Us chugging in places. Towards the end of the PS4’s life people complained about some frame rate issues with games on that system as well. It’s happened with 3D games going back to the N64 days and releases like Perfect Dark. The outcome is that Nintendo will eventually release a next gen console and when that console is 6+ years old the cycle will then repeat itself.

The only real solution for people like yourself is to maybe hold out on late cycle releases and play them if they release an updated version on the next hardware. I can definitely see TotK getting a next gen version tbh and it’s worked well for games like GTA V and TLoU in the past on other hardware as well.

 

[Sabre]

The flipside:

I don't have all that much time to game at home, but my train commute is about 45 minutes each way. To me being able to play handheld isn't a novelty or gimicky - it's something that lets me give games like TotK the time they deserve.

Which, I guess, is why Nintendo have gone with a handheld form factor. They want something that works well enough for as many of us as possible, with all our different lives and gaming preferences.

Have you played TOTK docked? Do you find it comparable? The difference between docked and hand-held for a game like TOTK is night and day for me. I wouldn't dream of playing a game like TOTK on a commute. I can barely play chess on a commute.

 

[Skittzo]

Have you played TOTK docked? Do you find it comparable? The difference between docked and hand-held for a game like TOTK is night and day for me. I wouldn't dream of playing a game like TOTK on a commute. I can barely play chess on a commute.

I played TOTK for ~10 hours docked and about ~90 hours undocked.

It's the same game. The experience is basically the same to me.

 

[Sabre]

Just not realistic is it?

You’re asking a gigantic corporation to change their highly successful business plan aimed at over a hundred million users and change it for you which would probably result in said business being far less successful.

People make comments like this all the time at the end of a console generation. PS3 owners (frame rate geek ones) complained about The Last of Us chugging in places. Towards the end of the PS4’s life people complained about some frame rate issues with games on that system as well. It’s happened with 3D games going back to the N64 days and releases like Perfect Dark. The outcome is that Nintendo will eventually release a next gen console and when that console is 6+ years old the cycle will then repeat itself.

The only real solution for people like yourself is to maybe hold out on late cycle releases and play them if they release an updated version on the next hardware. I can definitely see TotK getting a next gen version tbh and it’s worked well for games like GTA V and TLoU in the past on other hardware as well.

Well, the Switch Lite and Original / OLED is that, no? And while it may be the case that during the end of the consoles lifestyle you can notice dipping, I actually found the PS5 punching from the get-go. In fact it's been one of the most impressive out-of-the-box gaming experiences I've ever had, console-wise.

 

[Sabre]

I played TOTK for ~10 hours docked and about ~90 hours undocked.

It's the same game. The experience is basically the same to me.

The experience is basically the same? That's wild to me, honestly. It was like playing a different game for me. I found I lost almost all sense of scale from the game as soon as it was hand-held. Every vista, every encounter with a dragon, every time I plunged from the sky, it was muted while handheld. It's not even close to comparable for me. I actually find TOTK not an enjoyable experience while handheld. But, each to their own.

 

[Yavga]

You just said it yourself, mobile computing is closing in on comparable base line computing power to some degree. I find hand-held gaming a novelty, it's fine in short bursts but if you actually want to play a game it turns gimmicky very quickly. They want the best of both worlds but it doesn't work, imagine if TOTK was given room to properly breathe. It's significantly hampered. Have you ever tried to play Fortnite or Apex Legends on a Switch? It's an absolutely miserable experience.

I just want to say the opposite is true for me, just to show a different perspective.
Huge screens tire me, but the Switch screen in a relaxed setting does not. I played Fortnite and Splatoon handheld mostly and even use my Switch to stream my PC games.