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Yeah sure but I just want the most modern thing they can make for a reasonable priceI don't see why not. Switch is 7 year old hardware that was outdated when it released and look what it's doing.
Yeah sure but I just want the most modern thing they can make for a reasonable priceI don't see why not. Switch is 7 year old hardware that was outdated when it released and look what it's doing.
Compared to what?Switch is 7 year old hardware that was outdated when it released
PS4, Xbox OneCompared to what?
no it wasn't. you had to pay a lot more to get the latest cpu because it was fresh out of the oven. aside from that, you weren't gonna get a better gpu for the power consumptionPS4, Xbox One
Switch was absolutely less powerful than the at the time three years old PS4 and Xbox One. From what I saw of the Microsoft hearings the Switch 2 might not be much more powerful than those consoles, and it is coming 12 years after themno it wasn't. you had to pay a lot more to get the latest cpu because it was fresh out of the oven. aside from that, you weren't gonna get a better gpu for the power consumption
Sure, but that's different from saying it was outdated. Switch was the cutting edge for mobile tech at its price point.Switch was absolutely less powerful than the at the time three years old PS4 and Xbox One
Exactly“Less powerful” is not the same as “old/outdated tech” FWIW
that's not what "outdated" means. that's like saying a 4050 is outdated compared to a 4090Switch was absolutely less powerful than the at the time three years old PS4 and Xbox One. From what I saw of the Microsoft hearings the Switch 2 might not be much more powerful than those consoles, and it is coming 12 years after them
Switch was and still is compared to consoles. The biggest game on Switch at launch was ported forward from Wii U. The point is that switch tech doesn't need to be cutting edge to be succesful-- even if you want to argue it wasn't technically behind it's competitors when it launched (I think it was) it certainly is now and is still selling 10mil copies of games in a few days. I can't imagine why that would change with a switch 2.Sure, but that's different from saying it was outdated. Switch was the cutting edge for mobile tech at its price point.
Exactly
Like @Jbone916 said, cutting edge does not necessarily mean more powerful. No issue with you saying Switch was less powerful than PS4 and Xbox, because it was.even if you want to argue it wasn't technically behind it's competitors when it launched
Shouldn’t we be getting that in August?TotK sales until the end of the year
Good post and good points as well. Seeing NSMB charting on Circana in May is likely a precursor to the chain reaction that Mario Wonder will set off along with Zelda this holiday. Nintendo may actually pass their lofty 15 million consoles forecast which is insane for year 7.What Switch is doing in terms of hardware + software sales this late in its life is really something that never happened before.
Game Boy can be brought up with Pokémon reviving it, but it also got a mid gen refresh that was basically a successor for it. And Switch has got software selling almost what the best selling game of GB sold lifetime in 6 weeks(Pokemon SV's 22M vs RGB's 30M). And then again a game selling 10M in 3 days the following year(TotK).
PlayStation 2 sold a lot after PS3 came out, but that got price cuts where it was basically an impulse buy. Also due to piracy being at its peak with PS2, it wouldn't get the high selling software of Switch. Almost the same thing with DS, with the difference that it was insanely high selling and fell off a cliff after 3DS came out.
Switch is on a terrain that nobody entered before really. And we'll only fully get the picture of how high the hill is when we get the Super Mario Bros Wonder first quarter sales, TotK sales until the end of the year and hardware sales of the FY. I can't even try to predict what those will be.
"dated" or not, it's still a portable dlss capable ps4. Not bad even next year.So long as the specs of Switch 2 are up to date for the moment it releases. Supposedly the specs are “taped out” now, according to the hw speculation thread. But if it’s delayed a year or so while Switch 1 keeps selling, they can’t just release the system they originally planned for 2022/23
Oh yeah that's when we get results for its first quarter. But I meant how much it'll sell in the next quarter and in the holiday season. Tears of the Kingdom is a monster of its own league, with having hella front loaded sales like Pokémon, but probably outlegging it.Shouldn’t we be getting that in August?
Exactly!!! Not only that, but 3D World too, and of course Kart 8 that never stopped charting but got a boost. We also got Odyssey coming back to top 10 on UK charts!! Mario movie meant big boosts for old Mario titles way before the movie itself came out. The last quarter results will be among the most interesting ever imo. We'll know how much of a boost hardware got with TotK + movie, how many more Mario titles were shifted due to movie hype and new consoles bought for TotK and etc.Good post and good points as well. Seeing NSMB charting on Circana in May is likely a precursor to the chain reaction that Mario Wonder will set off along with Zelda this holiday. Nintendo may actually pass their lofty 15 million consoles forecast which is insane for year 7.
Closing in on 200 hrs and feel like I can now say that Tears of the Kingdom is a pretty good video game, man ...It’s amazing and really annoying, I want a new console.
I was in GameStop on Friday and there was a big billboard for Street Fighter 6. Another couple came in (childless probably have nephews and/or godkids) and walked right up the counter and said, “we just heard there are two new Mario games coming out in the fall. Can we preorder them?” They were not “gamers.” I was surprised they even knew you could preorder games at GameStop.I cannot see it slowing down when a 2D Mario is releasing this year.
I thought Tears of the Kingdom was the Switch’s last set of fireworks, but I guess Wonder is gonna do that these HolidaysI was in GameStop on Friday and there was a big billboard for Street Fighter 6. Another couple came in (childless probably have nephews and/or godkids) and walked right up the counter and said, “we just heard there are two new Mario games coming out in the fall. Can we preorder them?” They were not “gamers.” I was surprised they even knew you could preorder games at GameStop.
The day before, I was in Target with my 2 year old son. He likes Mario even though he still needs my help to play. I took him to the Switch demo kiosk for fun. A woman who was older than me (either an aunt or grandmother, I couldn’t tell as she was fit and well put together) looked at us playing the New Super Mario Bros U DX demo. She said, “oh that’s the ‘normal’ Mario game. Could you point to the ‘normal’ Mario game in the shelf for me?” In her mainstream mind, a “normal” Mario game was a 2D Mario game. She then bought a copy of New Super Mario U DX for full price. I didn’t mention Super Mario Wonder but I have no doubt that whichever kid receives that copy of NSMBUDX will be sure to tell her about Mario Wonder as soon as they finish with the WiiU port.
Mario Wonder will do at least Tears of the Kingdom sales. There will be Switch OLED shortages during the holiday shopping season. It’s going to be huge. I’ve never seen anything like it in my adult life. It’s going to be the Wii and New Super Mario Bros. Wii all over again but much bigger.
I haven’t seen this level of mainstream enthusiasm for Mario games since I was a kid when Super Mario 2 and 3 were just everywhere. Parents used to go from store to store to find in that wasn’t sold out of Mario 2 or Mario 3 later.
YES. And even for the fabled Gamers. I'm seeing a positive hype for Wonder even from the most conservative Sony fanboys that generally talk shit about any non-realistic game. I've saw a reaction video from a famous YT channel of Brazil where they bashed Pikmin 4 and MPR graphics(I mean...) and talked about Zelda like it was something non-Nintendo. They were super impressed and talked great stuff about Wonder, including about its visuals.I was in GameStop on Friday and there was a big billboard for Street Fighter 6. Another couple came in (childless probably have nephews and/or godkids) and walked right up the counter and said, “we just heard there are two new Mario games coming out in the fall. Can we preorder them?” They were not “gamers.” I was surprised they even knew you could preorder games at GameStop.
The day before, I was in Target with my 2 year old son. He likes Mario even though he still needs my help to play. I took him to the Switch demo kiosk for fun. A woman who was older than me (either an aunt or grandmother, I couldn’t tell as she was fit and well put together) looked at us playing the New Super Mario Bros U DX demo. She said, “oh that’s the ‘normal’ Mario game. Could you point to the ‘normal’ Mario game in the shelf for me?” In her mainstream mind, a “normal” Mario game was a 2D Mario game. She then bought a copy of New Super Mario U DX for full price. I didn’t mention Super Mario Wonder but I have no doubt that whichever kid receives that copy of NSMBUDX will be sure to tell her about Mario Wonder as soon as they finish with the WiiU port.
Mario Wonder will do at least Tears of the Kingdom sales. There will be Switch OLED shortages during the holiday shopping season. It’s going to be huge. I’ve never seen anything like it in my adult life. It’s going to be the Wii and New Super Mario Bros. Wii all over again but much bigger.
I haven’t seen this level of mainstream enthusiasm for Mario games since I was a kid when Super Mario 2 and 3 were just everywhere. Parents used to go from store to store to find in that wasn’t sold out of Mario 2 or Mario 3 later.
My GameStop story. When i went to pre-order SMRPG, there was a guy about half my age picking up Sonic Origins for the Switch. His friends were all outside waiting for him talking about if Fall Guys if F2P now or not, so you can tell they're not the plugged in type gamer because even I know Fall Guys is now F2P.I was in GameStop on Friday and there was a big billboard for Street Fighter 6. Another couple came in (childless probably have nephews and/or godkids) and walked right up the counter and said, “we just heard there are two new Mario games coming out in the fall. Can we preorder them?” They were not “gamers.” I was surprised they even knew you could preorder games at GameStop.
The day before, I was in Target with my 2 year old son. He likes Mario even though he still needs my help to play. I took him to the Switch demo kiosk for fun. A woman who was older than me (either an aunt or grandmother, I couldn’t tell as she was fit and well put together) looked at us playing the New Super Mario Bros U DX demo. She said, “oh that’s the ‘normal’ Mario game. Could you point to the ‘normal’ Mario game in the shelf for me?” In her mainstream mind, a “normal” Mario game was a 2D Mario game. She then bought a copy of New Super Mario U DX for full price. I didn’t mention Super Mario Wonder but I have no doubt that whichever kid receives that copy of NSMBUDX will be sure to tell her about Mario Wonder as soon as they finish with the WiiU port.
Mario Wonder will do at least Tears of the Kingdom sales. There will be Switch OLED shortages during the holiday shopping season. It’s going to be huge. I’ve never seen anything like it in my adult life. It’s going to be the Wii and New Super Mario Bros. Wii all over again but much bigger.
I haven’t seen this level of mainstream enthusiasm for Mario games since I was a kid when Super Mario 2 and 3 were just everywhere. Parents used to go from store to store to find in that wasn’t sold out of Mario 2 or Mario 3 later.
seriously. I love the OLED. Might be my favorite portable ever as a handheld.The Oled model was such a good decision.
Will it beat the DS and PS2 is the question. If they sell 15m this FY, they would just need another 15m but assuming the successor releases in the Holidays next year, sales would certainly drop. They still have an Ace up their sleeve with a price drop however. But I'm not sure if that would be enough, even if they keep selling it alongside the succ for a few years.
I still want a new console.Closing in on 200 hrs and feel like I can now say that Tears of the Kingdom is a pretty good video game, man ...
Gotta love how people treat Switch as a regular tv console when it suit the narrative of Nintendo releasing outdated hardware.Compared to what?
I love the Switch but the Tegra X1 was 2 years old when Switch launched, and now it’s 6 years later.Gotta love how people treat Switch as a regular tv console when it suit the narrative of Nintendo releasing outdated hardware.
My sentiments exactly. If the next Zelda takes as long as BOTW and TOTK, six years, then if the Switch 2 comes out in 2024 or 2025…Some games are now taking upwards of 4-5 years to develop from start to finish, which is nearly the length of a 'traditional' console generation in itself.
Also a new 2D Mario isn’t exactly something Nintendo launches at the end of a systems lifespan. They typically are massive titles that sell throughout the systems lifespan. Not to mention the Mario movie will likely hit streaming around the time that Super Mario Wonder releases.My sentiments exactly. If the next Zelda takes as long as BOTW and TOTK, six years, then if the Switch 2 comes out in 2024 or 2025…
• Switch 2 releases in 2024, Zelda in 2030;
• Switch 2 releases in 2025, Zelda in 2031.
That’s a lot. And if Nintendo Switch 2 wants to get another 3D Zelda game… hoo, boy. It’ll have to be simpler because another six years is a lot
it can always keep selling on Drake. just repackage the game in a Drake boxAlso a new 2D Mario isn’t exactly something Nintendo launches at the end of a systems lifespan. They typically are massive titles that sell throughout the systems lifespan. Not to mention the Mario movie will likely hit streaming around the time that Super Mario Wonder releases.
Not a good comparison: PS3 almost killed Sony because it was very expensive and hard to develop for with it's unusual hardware.PS2 was more relevant than the PS3 for its first two years
DS was kinda better than the 3DS, why upgrade when you still had Pokemon games on it
Good point! Very nice observations. Nintendo has a lot of Evergreen titles: they keep selling through the console’s lifetime. So they can keep releasing games because, most certainly, the Switch 2 will be backwards compatibleAlso a new 2D Mario isn’t exactly something Nintendo launches at the end of a systems lifespan. They typically are massive titles that sell throughout the systems lifespan. Not to mention the Mario movie will likely hit streaming around the time that Super Mario Wonder releases.
Backwards compatibility reminds me of region locking in that people didn't believe it would happen "because Nintendo" and guess what, Nintendo made the Switch region free. And that's because they knew it would be easier to draw in people that way.most certainly, the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible
it can always keep selling on Drake. just repackage the game in a Drake box
I mean this year hasn’t exactly been light in terms of software releases. Surely they would’ve leveled off and saved these heavy hitters for launch year. We already know about the peach game and Luigi’s mansion 2 for next year as well as whenever MP4 releases. I think we could see this next Switch advertised as a premium model while still supporting OG Switch lines. Nintendo software for the first 3 years supports all models with some of their major recent sellers getting 4K ports/upgrades such as TotK, SMW, Pikmin 4, and Splatoon 3. The premium model can play all switch titles. Third parties can choose which platforms to support. All Switch Premium exclusive titles can be played via Switch’s cloud streaming service like they did with some titles such as AC:O, RE8, etc.Good point! Very nice observations. Nintendo has a lot of Evergreen titles: they keep selling through the console’s lifetime. So they can keep releasing games because, most certainly, the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible
I wouldn't worry too much. The next Zelda is probably in early development already, if what Aonuma said about them spending a good year just polishing TOTK is true. Nintendo won't want their new console to go that long without a new Zelda. If I had to guess, I'd say they're aiming for around 2028 time for the next one.My sentiments exactly. If the next Zelda takes as long as BOTW and TOTK, six years, then if the Switch 2 comes out in 2024 or 2025…
• Switch 2 releases in 2024, Zelda in 2030;
• Switch 2 releases in 2025, Zelda in 2031.
That’s a lot. And if Nintendo Switch 2 wants to get another 3D Zelda game… hoo, boy. It’ll have to be simpler because another six years is a lot
There are about four 3D Zelda’s to fill the gaps between years even then a simpler one could still take 6yrs. Whatever the next Zelda the start production of the game wouldn’t be tied to the Redacted’s launch year.My sentiments exactly. If the next Zelda takes as long as BOTW and TOTK, six years, then if the Switch 2 comes out in 2024 or 2025…
• Switch 2 releases in 2024, Zelda in 2030;
• Switch 2 releases in 2025, Zelda in 2031.
That’s a lot. And if Nintendo Switch 2 wants to get another 3D Zelda game… hoo, boy. It’ll have to be simpler because another six years is a lot