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Raccoon said:
that's a complete non-sequitur in this context though

what, Nintendo is keeping their 2024 software super secure by way of it not really being in the Direct? like normal?
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I thought your “they were???” Was about them saying “Nintendo’s top 2023 software leaked”

Which was Wonder
 
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ziggyrivers said:
This sounds like September/October reveal for March 2024 release, a la Switch V1
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It sounds more like nintendo will be privately showing off new dev kits in August/September and as a result there will inevitably be new leaks about these new dev kits including performance, new-hardware-features, and cartridge size.

Which would mean either (most likely) a release in Late 2024 with a reveal in spring/summer 2024 or (less likely) release in summer 2024 with reveal in early 2024.

And assuming Prime 4 is still only being developed for Switch not Switch 2, that would mean to expect MP4 to come out before the end of the current fiscal year.
 
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Giancarlo said:
$400 for Switch sucessor and it games priced at $70?(if this come true, i better prepare my wallet to pay for the next 3D Mario, Legend of Zelda and so on)
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@Thraktor did I good post the other month, listing the original prices of Nintendo consoles, and then adjusting for inflation. Most came to $350-$400 in todays money, so I think that $400 price is likely, depending on inflation between now and when it's finally released. I think Nintendo could price some [redacted] exclusives at the $70 level, I'm sure ToTK won't be the last.
 
TSR3 said:
Just for entertainment, what do you think the odds of a 2023 reveal/release are? Since the last financial Q&A I've put it at about 20% (= or - 10%) myself, but I'm curious how confident you're still feeling, and other #Team2023 too
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30/70
 
TSR3 said:
Just for entertainment, what do you think the odds of a 2023 reveal/release are? Since the last financial Q&A I've put it at about 20% (= or - 10%) myself, but I'm curious how confident you're still feeling, and other #Team2023 too
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As somebody who's #TeamAlongForTheRide, 25%. There's enough time for Nintendo to surprise us, but it'd be cutting it close.
 
Giancarlo said:
$400 for Switch sucessor and it games priced at $70?(if this come true, i better prepare my wallet to pay for the next 3D Mario, Legend of Zelda and so on)
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With the ongoing success of the PS5, my guess is nintendo will similarly launch two different models:

Premium Model: $450, 512GB Internal Storage, Cart slot that can take both successor and switch carts
Budget Model: $350, 128GB Internal storage, no cartridge slot at all so BC is digital only

Both models would have: Core console, dock very similar to OLED, new joycons, external storage slot (probably MicroSD) which would basically required to have decent storage on the budget model.
 
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ReddDreadtheLead said:
I’m not sure why you are confused on why I grouped the old age 3D Zelda (OoT>SS) and separated it from the new age 3D Zelda (BOTW>TOTK)
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I read the post as grouping TP with WW saying “most people don’t know about these games,” then saying “many people don’t know about OOT,” with the implication that TP is more obscure than OOT, despite selling better. That was my only point of contention, a silly semantics pedantry on my part.

To bring this somewhat back on topic… I wonder if there is a chance we see one (or both?) of the WW/TP remasters next year before Switch 2. Or if they’re saving them for Switch 2 so they can have something Zelda for the early console life cycle.
 
Mekanos said:
I read the post as grouping TP with WW saying “most people don’t know about these games,” then saying “many people don’t know about OOT,” with the implication that TP is more obscure than OOT, despite selling better. That was my only point of contention, a silly semantics pedantry on my part.

To bring this somewhat back on topic… I wonder if there is a chance we see one (or both?) of the WW/TP remasters next year before Switch 2. Or if they’re saving them for Switch 2 so they can have something Zelda for the early console life cycle.
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I think that would make more sense to have them in 4K on the Switch successor, that would also allow to fill Zelda 4-5 year gap on launch

I also think maybe we can hope on a OOT 4K Remake for the 30th anniversary in 2028
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
BOTW didn’t become the best selling Zelda by being Zelda, it became the best and the most critically acclaimed title from Nintendo by abandoning convention and remixing the whole formula.

I didn’t want to comment on the Metroid Prime 4 discussion, but y’all, Zelda of old is not like Zelda of new. Most people who bought BOTW dgaf about the old Zelda. Most don’t even know what Twilight Princess or even Wind Waker is. Many don’t even know what an Ocarina of Time is and that was a critical darling for a decade.


If Nintendo chooses to take Metroid Prime 4 into a new direction for the series that catapults its popularity and changes the formula for it in a way that is more digestible to the wider market, then so be it. But no one here can honestly say “oh they def aren’t going to use this game series as a launch title because of X Y and Z reason”



My final note is this: you are have to abandon conventional thinking when it comes to a Nintendo, what to expect and what their plans are for the next platform. Relying on traditional data for determining every action that they do is a fools errand and you end up on the “losing”(dooming?) side. If you told someone six years ago that 3D Zelda would be out selling 3D Mario, and by a decent margin, they would laugh at you because Zelda has historically sold worse than 3D Mario. Hell 2D Mario used to be the better seller until recently.


The times are changing, you cannot be stuck in 2009 Nintendo Wii era, the year is 2023 and we are already halfway through the year, things change, and so do the people. Plans change™️ and what they decide is unknown.
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The problem with comparing Metroid Prime 4 to BOTW in terms of potential launch titles is that even pre-BOTW, Zelda still sold well overall and unlike Metroid Prime, Zelda games dont have too much trouble selling well in japan, which means that for Metroid Prime to reach system seller status it either has to find a way to sell in japan ridiculously more than other Metroid Prime games have sold there or somehow manage some Xbox 360 regional sales ratio where it sells so well in NA/PAL that it completely negates not selling at all in Japan.
 
P4bl0 said:
I think that would make more sense to have them in 4K on the Switch successor, that would also allow to fill Zelda 4-5 year gap on launch

I also think maybe we can hope on a OOT 4K Remake for the 30th anniversary in 2028
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I don't know if I would even care about a OOT remake honestly. Played the game too many times.
 
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P4bl0 said:
I think that would make more sense to have them in 4K on the Switch successor, that would also allow to fill Zelda 4-5 year gap on launch

I also think maybe we can hope on a OOT 4K Remake for the 30th anniversary in 2028
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I doubt they would remake a remake so soon. Makes much more sense for it to come to switch, with the successor being able to play it via backwards compatibility
 
Raccoon said:
they were??? I am so bewildered by this entire line of reasoning
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Twitter and Direct thread here

Raccoon said:
that's a complete non-sequitur in this context though

what, Nintendo is keeping their 2024 software super secure by way of it not really being in the Direct? like normal?
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I meant the person leaked 2023 in-house games, but not 2024.

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Contributing to the Prime discussion:

Is Prime a major franchise like Pokemon, Mario and Zelda?
No.

Can it reach mainstream?
Yes.

Fire Emblem fans know this. Awakening pretty much broke the ceiling the series had.

It all depends on how Rare develops Prime 4.

If the first Prime was the 3D-zination of Metroid, then Prime 4 must be the modernization of the formula, seeing as how Prime Remastered already accomplished something: the HD-zination of Prime.

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OOT Remake: this could be Nintendo next top title, using BOTW/TOTK assets. Either that, or a 2D remake.
 
ziggyrivers said:
Twitter and Direct thread here


I meant the person leaked 2023 in-house games, but not 2024.

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Contributing to the Prime discussion:

Is Prime a major franchise like Pokemon, Mario and Zelda?
No.

Can it reach mainstream?
Yes.

Fire Emblem fans know this. Awakening pretty much broke the ceiling the series had.

It all depends on how Rare develops Prime 4.

If the first Prime was the 3D-zination of Metroid, then Prime 4 must be the modernization of the formula, seeing as how Prime Remastered already accomplished something: the HD-zination of Prime.

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OOT Remake: this could be Nintendo next top title, using BOTW/TOTK assets. Either that, or a 2D remake.
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or Nintendo could release a brand new 2D Legend of Zelda game, like they are doing with Super Mario Wonder, we dont have a brand new 2D Legend of Zelda since a Link Between Worlds/Triforce Heroes.
 
D36 said:
Maybe here? You can ask not to be spoiled and I think most will oblige.

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Developer: Nintendo (EPD 3), MonolithSoft Publisher: Nintendo Director: Hidemaro Fujibayashi Producer: Eji Aonuma Release Date: May 12, 2023 Platform: Nintendo Switch Genre: Action-Adventure Download Size: 16 GB Please tag any and all spoilers properly! This is a game about exploration and...
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Thx!
 
TSR3 said:
Just for entertainment, what do you think the odds of a 2023 reveal/release are? Since the last financial Q&A I've put it at about 20% (= or - 10%) myself, but I'm curious how confident you're still feeling, and other #Team2023 too
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Anywhere from 9.5 to 10.19%
 
I think the blow out for Switch 2 will be June 2024 with a Q4 2024 release.

Hopefully a teaser in the first Direct of 2024 but wouldn’t count on it.
 
Mekanos said:
To bring this somewhat back on topic… I wonder if there is a chance we see one (or both?) of the WW/TP remasters next year before Switch 2. Or if they’re saving them for Switch 2 so they can have something Zelda for the early console life cycle.
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Personally, I'm hoping for a new 2D Zelda game sometime in the first two years of the next system's launch.
 
NateDrake said:
Industry chatter is minimal right now. Few things here and there but meaningful reports should come in a few months.
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Thugstas said:
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Dark Cloud said:
The amount of posts I see of people thinking Metroid Prime 4 and 3D Mario will be launch titles for the Switch 2 is giving me a headache…
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at the very least for 3D Mario I don't see what would be surprising about it being a launch title considering the long development gap since Odyssey with the only recent new content being some Odyssey DLC and Bowser Fury which iirc was handled in parts by NST.
At this point wouldn't it be more suprising/worrying if they couldn't make it a launch title ?
 
Adulfzen said:
at the very least for 3D Mario I don't see what would be surprising about it being a launch title considering the long development gap since Odyssey with the only recent new content being some Odyssey DLC and Bowser Fury which iirc was handled in parts by NST.
At this point wouldn't it be more suprising/worrying if they couldn't make it a launch title ?
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Also the long history of Mario being a launch game (NES, SNES, N64, and Gameboy) or 1st year game (Gamecube, Wii, WiiU, Switch) for consoles because the series has historically been used to show off the technical capabilities of the new console.
 
Kamarilie said:
Can somebody explain to me the appeal of launching during the holidays in this day and age where they're gonna sell out regardless?
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Maximization of sales. It’s a strong start, plus the Switch 2 would be entering a saturated market.

It also has been Nintendo’s intention to always launch very close (October) or during the Holidays (November)
 
Kamarilie said:
Can somebody explain to me the appeal of launching during the holidays in this day and age where they're gonna sell out regardless?
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I guess to me it's less about launching specifically during the holidays and more about when it's most suitable to announce new hardware which won't result in a catastrophic drop off in potential sales for the older hardware still in circulation.

wii u to switch was a bit unique because the former was practically dead anyway.
 
Adulfzen said:
at the very least for 3D Mario I don't see what would be surprising about it being a launch title considering the long development gap since Odyssey with the only recent new content being some Odyssey DLC and Bowser Fury which iirc was handled in parts by NST.
At this point wouldn't it be more suprising/worrying if they couldn't make it a launch title ?
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I have 3D Mario as a launch title. I don’t have 3D Mario and Metroid Prime 4 as launch titles together as I’ve seen people believe will happen
 
ziggyrivers said:
Maximization of sales. It’s a strong start, plus the Switch 2 would be entering a saturated market.

It also has been Nintendo’s intention to always launch very close (October) or during the Holidays (November)
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But you can't sell more than all of them

Maybe they did intend to launch the Switch earlier, but launching in March went well for them
 
Adulfzen said:
I guess to me it's less about launching specifically during the holidays and more about when it's most suitable to announce new hardware which won't result in a catastrophic drop off in potential sales for the older hardware still in circulation.

wii u to switch was a bit unique because the former was practically dead anyway.
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That I do understand, to an extent at least. Though it does brother me that people only take the Wii U into account with that argument when they also had the 3DS which was still doing fairly well and was getting a whole new generation of Pokémon
 
Mekanos said:
I read the post as grouping TP with WW saying “most people don’t know about these games,” then saying “many people don’t know about OOT,” with the implication that TP is more obscure than OOT, despite selling better. That was my only point of contention, a silly semantics pedantry on my part.

To bring this somewhat back on topic… I wonder if there is a chance we see one (or both?) of the WW/TP remasters next year before Switch 2. Or if they’re saving them for Switch 2 so they can have something Zelda for the early console life cycle.
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The comparison was about the amount of people who bought BOTW, which exceeds the amount of sales of those other games (probably all combined original releases). There’s a large portion of BOTW players who did not play those old games, TP has a higher chance of being known, but BOTW seemingly brought a bunch of new players to the series far better than the others have before it.


BOTW is at 29.81M units on the switch alone, the previous best seller was Twilight Princess on the Nintendo Wii at 8.69M units. That’s a huge influx for the Zelda IP.


TomNookYankees said:
The problem with comparing Metroid Prime 4 to BOTW in terms of potential launch titles is that even pre-BOTW, Zelda still sold well overall and unlike Metroid Prime, Zelda games dont have too much trouble selling well in japan, which means that for Metroid Prime to reach system seller status it either has to find a way to sell in japan ridiculously more than other Metroid Prime games have sold there or somehow manage some Xbox 360 regional sales ratio where it sells so well in NA/PAL that it completely negates not selling at all in Japan.
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It’s not so much about being a system seller, it’s about being a hallmark title for a new system that leaves a statement for the platform.

BOTW did the task twice, not only did it set a tone that a portable device can play these open world games on the go is possible and even combined Bethesda to give a green light with games like Skyrim, it also sold a lot for a title that appeals more to the western side and they are more on board.

Depending on what MP4 is, it’s task is to leave a statement that reflects for system.
 


Some speculation from Grubb. Due to his nature as an insider this is probably informed speculation, but grain of salt and all that. I don't know if this is the case though, still setting a plan for the transition while 6.5 years in sounds maddening

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Paxie said:


Some speculation from Grubb. Due to his nature as an insider this is probably informed speculation, but grain of salt and all that. I don't know if this is the case though, still setting a plan for next-gen while 6.5 years in sounds maddening
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He specifically said the transition, not the hardware itself.
 
Kamarilie said:
But you can't sell more than all of them
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This!

How many units would they have for a launch?
I wouldn't expect more than 6M, which is already pretty substantial for a supply chain that's just ramping up.

If there are good launch titles and patches, those 6M would disappear in a second on holiday and most of it would be heavily scalped.
IMO, it wouldn't even cover early adopters.

Launching in March with 6M would cover early adopter, which would spend months talking about it.
It would give time for Nintendo to satisfy the most urgent demand and to produce enough units to maximize holiday sales.

Or, launch before Christmas and have most of their units locked in a warehouse by scalpers, instead of buying software.
And have a bunch of crying kids that couldn't get theirs because some dudes in their forties were more aggressive.
 
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ReyVGM said:
Is it possible that the reason Nintendo rebooted Prime 4's development wasn't because they were unhappy with the mystery developer's output, but because the project was on a path to be a same-y safe Prime game?

Maybe Nintendo saw BotW's praise and success and thought Prime 4 would benefit from a shakeup too and that's why the game was given to Retro again, a developer who is not only familiar with the series, but who also redefined the Metroid experience when they made Prime 1 back then.

I have a feeling that Prime 4 will be different and shakeup the usual formula.
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Metroid going 3rd person is probably the main "shakeup" that sticks out to me as something that could really impact sales. I don't see that happening with this Prime game though. 1st person single player games have really gone out of fashion, outside of particular things like Bethesda games.

Kamarilie said:
Can somebody explain to me the appeal of launching during the holidays in this day and age where they're gonna sell out regardless?
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Software sales are massively outsized in the holiday season. You can get people buying/receiving multiple games with their new hardware vs 1 or 2.
 
I was going to say something similar. There is more to sales than just the console itself. Games, accessories, mindshare are all wrapped up within the context of “launch dates.”

Seeing it as inconsequential may be a little myopic. There are a plethora of factors at play.
 
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