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fwd-bwd said:
As soon as one disputatious member was banned, another one pop right up. Regardless whether socket puppets were involved, the effects on the thread are the same. I personally prefer to ignore or report than to engage. Back to hardware speculation:
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💯🎉👀 It's going to happen people. Zelda OLED is the final milking before the next cows come to the barn.
 
fwd-bwd said:
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@Thraktor
Oddly enough, the coverage I read of the Neoverse announcements of that year describe the N2 as being derived from the A78 instead of the A710. There is ARMv9 support added, which does make me wonder whether AArch32 support was kept or not, but nothing I've come across so far answers that :unsure:
 
fwd-bwd said:
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Where is the source for this? 4chan post? Would love to see a screenshot.
 
LiC said:
IMO the bolded is a flawed assumption a lot of us jumped to early on, and I no longer believe it's true. I think Nvidia works on their Linux stack for everything, as a starting point for development, as a basis for simulation, automated testing, etc. in the future, and as future proofing in case they ever do decide to productive it as a Jetson board or whatever. There's also a reason why Linux development specifically would be relevant to the Switch and the upcoming hardware, which is that the nvservices GPU driver in the Switch firmware is largely derived from Nvidia's Linux GPU drivers.

We actually have very strong evidence that Linux support does not indicate plans for a non-Nintendo product: the May 2016 release 24.1 of L4T contains several commits referencing Odin, i.e. the Switch('s motherboard). The first of these is from April 2015, shortly after the TX1 Switch project was kicked off. A later commit even mentions the SDEV 0.9 devkit, and another one casually includes the specs for the Switch's LCD.
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Wanted to expand on this a bit. All of the commits referencing Odin are Nintendo-specific, proving that L4T support does exist for non-Linux customer platforms during development, but I should highlight that they are not equivalent to the general T239 support we recently found in L4T. However, the general SoC support has to exist before platform-specific work like this can happen, and that's what we saw in the 2021-2022 commits where T239 support was being split off from T234. Equivalent [platform codename]-specific commits for early test boards of Nintendo's new hardware almost certainly exist, they've just been happening (or likely already finished happening) in a private repo. Though, I think these Odin commits probably weren't supposed to be included in a public L4T release, and it's very unlikely we'll ever see the equivalents for the new hardware.
 
Joining late to the Joy-Con sizing discussion: While I have no inkling of potential new Joy-Con features, I doubt that its general dimensions would be changed much. Unlike Sony and MS, Nintendo is targeting a less homogenous audience. The design of Switch is therefore required to accommodate a wide range of anthropometrics. Look no further than the hand and grip sizes:

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While IMHO Nintendo isn't likely to alter the Joy-Con's dimensions beyond a few millimeters here and there, I hope that they would officially license their controller merchandising to numerous 3rd parties, resulting in more varied products in different sizes and shapes. AFAIK, today only Hori, PowerA, and PDP are licensed, and all of them too cheap to put HD Rumble in their controllers.

I also don't believe that the Joy-Con rail standard will be abandoned anytime soon. As a platform owner you want to a) lock in your users through proprietary technologies, and b) facilitate network externality by maximizing the install base of your technologies. Look how Apple fought EU tooth and nail to keep their Lightning port. Even though Apple eventually lost, it bought them a few extra years of locking users in the proprietary format. For that reason I suspect that Nintendo will ride the Joy-Con rail for at least another gen.

ziggyrivers said:
So we can expect a June/July announcement with a Holiday release?
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themagpieswarble said:
Where is the source for this? 4chan post? Would love to see a screenshot.
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fwd-bwd said:
Joining late to the Joy-Con sizing discussion: While I have no inkling of potential new Joy-Con features, I doubt that its general dimensions would be changed much. Unlike Sony and MS, Nintendo is targeting a less homogenous audience. The design of Switch is therefore required to accommodate a wide range of anthropometrics. Look no further than the hand and grip sizes:

Global adults, 5th to 95th percentile (source)
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US children, 5th to 95th percentile (source)
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While IMHO Nintendo isn't likely to alter the Joy-Con's dimensions beyond a few millimeters here and there, I hope that they would officially license their controller merchandising to numerous 3rd parties, resulting in more varied products in different sizes and shapes. AFAIK, today only Hori, PowerA, and PDP are licensed, and all of them too cheap to put HD Rumble in their controllers.

I also don't believe that the Joy-Con rail standard will be abandoned anytime soon. As a platform owner you want to a) lock in your users through proprietary technologies, and b) facilitate network externality by maximizing the install base of your technologies. Look how Apple fought EU tooth and nail to keep their Lightning port. Even though Apple eventually lost, it bought them a few extra years of locking users in the proprietary format. For that reason I suspect that Nintendo will ride the Joy-Con rail for at least another gen.


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Thanks for your very detailed insight, fwd! :)

Staying on the Joycon topic, I concur that Nintendo will keep the Joycon as their main controller for another gen.

But it makes you wonder: how long will the Switch brand live? Will it be perpetuate, like the PlayStation and Xbox brands? Or will Nintendo change things after the Switch 2 or 3?

I feel like Nintendo have found a stable brand they can hold on to.
 
fwd-bwd said:
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I’m new to this thread, so I apologize if this is common knowledge here, but who is “the mod uncle”?
 
alfiehicks said:
What are you smoking?!

The Switch is in the same technological generation as the Wii U! It's only just slightly more powerful than a console that wasn't even on par with the Xbox 360!
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alfiehicks said:
The generation number itself doesn't matter, the point is that the Switch and Wii U are similarly specced enough and contemporary enough to each other that they can be considered part of the same generation.
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alfiehicks said:
Oh shut up.
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notcoolest said:
Nintendo doesn't care [about generations], I don't care [about generations] - the only people that care are people who can't live withought everything being categorised and organised. Embrace the chaos, I say ;)

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Still catching up, but, wow, can't believe this was all the same person. Incredible cadence of messages.

Edit: Yeah, definitely the same.

Well, to stay on topic... XCX 4K around launch date would be da dream!
 
Well since I know that Switch 2 is coming Holiday 2023 and there certainly will be no moment anytime in the future where I'm forced to retract that and embarrass my massive ego...haha...

I'm going to open another can of worms and just make another outright opinion that'll confidently be stated as fact by me:

Xenoblade Chronicles X Remaster IS coming and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it from happening. And if successful, Monolith will begin work on a sequel to X and lead into a possible second Xenoblade trilogy.

Now watch me be quoted as an insider by outlets and see this cycle into the news.
 
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Concernt said:
Inside-out tracking is definitely possible.
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I would love for an inside-out solution like in the Quest Pro [controllers], but Meta had to use 3 cameras and a snapdragon 662 for that (probably it was cheaper for them and qualcomm than doing something custom).
Maybe Nintendo could work closely with Nvidia to get a custom hardware for the computer vision task, making it cheaper and with low power consumption. I don't know.

I just want to play games like switch sports, mario party, or skyward sword with a precise & reliable tracking. Of course, also all kinds of shooters. But I really don't believe in nintendo coming up with a self-tracked controller. I think a camera on top of the tablet + IR LEDs accessory for the controllers would be nintendo's choice, for your despair
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Erathix said:
Well since I know that Switch 2 is coming Holiday 2023 and there certainly will be no moment anytime in the future where I'm forced to retract that and embarrass my massive ego...haha...

I'm going to open another can of worms and just make another outright opinion that'll confidently be stated as fact by me:

Xenoblade Chronicles X Remaster IS coming and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it from happening. And if successful, Monolith will begin work on a sequel to X and lead into a possible second Xenoblade trilogy.

Now watch me be quoted as an insider by outlets and see this cycle into the news.
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I believe!
 
ianm said:
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What if they outsourced the remaster of Chronicles X?

I’m not on the “it’s getting remastered” boat. Just presenting some arguments.

Homura said:
So assuming mod uncle is right, Switch Drake launch this October/November with a new Mario 3D?
Almost perfect timing with the Mario movie.
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Maybe November ‘cause of Black Friday?
 
ziggyrivers said:
What if they outsourced the remaster of Chronicles X?

I’m not on the “it’s getting remastered” boat. Just presenting some arguments.


Maybe November ‘cause of Black Friday?
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I think outsourcing a game that complex would be a little tough
 
fwd-bwd said:
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Finally, legit new pages in the morning lol

Legit not meaning unsubstantiated rumours are legit, but that they're relevant to the thread topic.
 
eye0h said:
I think outsourcing a game that complex would be a little tough
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Monolith Soft would probably do it themselves. Keep in mind, they gladly did Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition, aka the highest effort remaster that i've ever seen. There's a better than awful chance that XCX port started development shortly after the DLC finished development.
 
SoldierDelta said:
Monolith Soft would probably do it themselves. Keep in mind, they gladly did Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition, aka the highest effort remaster that i've ever seen. There's a better than awful chance that XCX port started development shortly after the DLC finished development.
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My guess is that they are working on a new IP to release for Switch 2 then they'll do a definitive edition of X sometime after.
 
eye0h said:
My guess is that they are working on a new IP to release for Switch 2 then they'll do a definitive edition of X sometime after.
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I mean.... yeah that's possible. Can't imagine it releasing until late 2024, but who knows.
Regardless, XCX would probably be a good port to make soon-ish, maybe as a filler title for 2023/4, for the new IP's release in late 2024 (if we're lucky) or 2025.
 
ziggyrivers said:
What if they outsourced the remaster of Chronicles X?

I’m not on the “it’s getting remastered” boat. Just presenting some arguments.


Maybe November ‘cause of Black Friday?
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That's what I've speculated in regards to release. Black Friday, Christmas and Boxing Day are major retail events, even here in Australia, that is where a lot of money is spent, lost to the void, as we acquire shiny new things, many shiny things. Willingly O_O

You can't miss it, that's why consoles usually release around November, you capitalise on Christmas season, you want a Switch 2 under as many trees as possible, that's the goal. You want the kids faces to be full of ecstatic, overwhelming joy as they realise they no longer have to play on compromised hardware, yes these kids are fully aware of this, they are you and me, we are the kids, we are waiting by that tree and we are so desperately wanting that sweet, sweet Switch 2, we will throw our money into that endless void hoping that we get one and it will be glorious when only some of us land that order down and get it. You certainly won't see any of us who are lucky celebrating here on the forums, nope, nopeity, nopeso!

It makes sense to release it in November before Black Friday so the capitalising can begin and it will be a non-stop sales ride all the way to the New Year from there. I even dare to say, it could be up there as amongst the biggest console launches. There is anticipation for this, that direct when it's announced will probably break the record for views, it definitely will be the day that Famiboards collapses and completely shuts down for a whole day under the sheer traffic weight.

I can see the plan, it all comes together well based on Nintendo's actions so far this year and the information we're getting all over the place here and there, whether true or not, it just aligns so perfectly.
 
Erathix said:
That's what I've speculated in regards to release. Black Friday, Christmas and Boxing Day are major retail events, even here in Australia, that is where a lot of money is spent, lost to the void, as we acquire shiny new things, many shiny things. Willingly O_O

You can't miss it, that's why consoles usually release around November, you capitalise on Christmas season, you want a Switch 2 under as many trees as possible, that's the goal. You want the kids faces to be full of ecstatic, overwhelming joy as they realise they no longer have to play on compromised hardware, yes these kids are fully aware of this, they are you and me, we are the kids, we are waiting by that tree and we are so desperately wanting that sweet, sweet Switch 2, we will throw our money into that endless void hoping that we get one and it will be glorious when only some of us land that order down and get it. You certainly won't see any of us who are lucky celebrating here on the forums, nope, nopeity, nopeso!

It makes sense to release it in November before Black Friday so the capitalising can begin and it will be a non-stop sales ride all the way to the New Year from there. I even dare to say, it could be up there as amongst the biggest console launches. There is anticipation for this, that direct when it's announced will probably break the record for views, it definitely will be the day that Famiboards collapses and completely shuts down for a whole day under the sheer traffic weight.

I can see the plan, it all comes together well based on Nintendo's actions so far this year and the information we're getting all over the place here and there, whether true or not, it just aligns so perfectly.
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This is the general theory, and one that makes the most sense given Nintendo's actions recently... moreso their lack of actions after July.
The lack of first and second-party games after July is kinda concerning for Nintendo, as they usually have one or two games that they keep us hyped about.

If we're getting a Switch 2 in November, that'd be really neat. An announcement for it in June or even August would be cool.
 
SoldierDelta said:
I mean.... yeah that's possible. Can't imagine it releasing until late 2024, but who knows.
Regardless, XCX would probably be a good port to make soon-ish, maybe as a filler title for 2023/4, for the new IP's release in late 2024 (if we're lucky) or 2025.
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I remember they had a job listing with some unique artwork in 2017 so there's a chance it has been in development since then in tandem with xc3. I don't think it's too ambitious of a prediction to say we could be seeing it sooner than later.
 
eye0h said:
I remember they had a job listing with some unique artwork in 2017 so there's a chance it has been in development since then in tandem with xc3. I don't think it's too ambitious of a prediction to say we could be seeing it sooner than later.
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I guess that's plausible. Idk, I'll believe it if and when I see it during the Nintendo Switch Presentation 2023 that is almost certianly maybe probably not going to happen sometimes this year.

It's nice to hope for something.
 
Lelouch0612 said:
It isn't going to be announced right before Zelda.
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Yeah, the best announcement time would have been January, but that just means it's probably not coming until Fall 2024.

The next 2-3 weeks are the last semi-plausible window for this year though.

Otherwise we're in a basically unprecedented lack of time between announcement and release and Nintendo having to put out a series of bizarre projections to their investors with no explanation.
 
Kise Ryota said:
I would love for an inside-out solution like in the Quest Pro [controllers], but Meta had to use 3 cameras and a snapdragon 662 for that (probably it was cheaper for them and qualcomm than doing something custom).
Maybe Nintendo could work closely with Nvidia to get a custom hardware for the computer vision task, making it cheaper and with low power consumption. I don't know.
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Quest also has to deal with fully 3D tracking, though, so I imagine the tech requirements are higher than would be needed for an accurate pointer alternative. How much? shrugs
 
But anyway, this is the window.

Right after the Mario movie and right before TotK and the end of fiscal year report.

It's either getting announced or we're getting a WSJ article saying "Switch 2 coming this holiday" from leaks in the next 2-3 weeks.

Or it's coming Fall 2024.

The total lack of any whispers from GDC has made me lean far more towards Fall 2024.
 
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