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LiC said:
  • I think the leak is fake. The real info in it came 3 days in advance of a prerecorded Pokémon event which almost always leaks on 4chan in a similar manner, suggesting that relatively many people learn it in advance. All it takes is someone malicious to stir the pot by combining that with fake info. And the hardware info is not something someone at a Pokémon outsourcing company would even know, there's nothing that connects it to the info from the presentation, and everything about the way the post is written lacks credibility..
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I'm with you about this but... it's also very strange: if the leaker had access to the entire trailer, why didn't he told anything about the other 3 new Pokémon or the new academy from DLC1?

Also "special terastal appearance" isn't in the Presents. To me feels like anon just got infos from someone else (and everything is true, potentially also the new Switch).

Honestly, this could lineup with another suggestion that Metroid Prime 4 is coming soon (and that's why they released Prime HD with a shadowdrop) and together with "new Switch" and Pokémon DLC 2.
 
KMStwo said:
I posted two rumors from 4chan about someone who says he demo'd Fortnite on the next hardware and it is coming in about a year and a desperate Gamedev who says Epic Games would abandon the Switch in favor of the Switch 2 by the end of Fortnite Chapter 4(but for some reason also claims it has a Lovelace GPU). And both of them claim Epic Games has Switch 2 dev kits.
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Honestly, a rumor is a rumor but I wouldn't be surprised if Epic already has their hands on a redacted console...since they would need to make sure unreal engine 5 is optimized for the redacted nintendo console.
 
oldpuck said:
Those are pentagons, dammit
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There are a lot of hexagons between transitions plus the figure in the middle is on of them!

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Edit: Hexagon can be the second DLC after DLC part2 haha, because both parts are called " Hidden Treasure of Area Zero"

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oldpuck said:
Those are pentagons, dammit
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The ones without type icons (including the one in the middle, which has something resembling the Terastall symbol) are hexagons. It's kind of a weird way to describe it, though. Perhaps there's an alternate form that's more hexagonal.
 
Concernt said:
As I said, seasons are meaningless! Meteorological Winter starts on December 1st! Irish Winter starts on November 1st! Celebrate Halloween? Well done, you're celebrating the Celtic Festival Samhain that makes the start of winter!
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But seasons are in the sun.
 
LinkURL said:
I think it makes no sense to announce "Winter 2023" and launch in January or February 2024, it would be easier to say "early next year", most likely this DLC should come out in November, as basically gamefreak does with Pokémon every year.
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AFAIK, the official Japanese date for the DLC is AFTER Winter 2023.

When in doubt, always go for what the original language says. Translations can fumble details, from major to minor.
 
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Goodtwin said:
The developers who have access to Switch 2 development hardware could be shocking low right now. Nintendo's plan may be to roll out the new hardware driven by exclusive software rather than a plethora of ports from third parties. Launching with a new 3D Mario and Prime 4 would likely overshadow titles from third parties anyway.
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My assumption is many devs have kits at this point, given they were handing out kits for the allegedly cancelled version way back in 2021. If it's a very small group with kits, unless it's a revision like a DSi or GBC, i'd rather they let it cook for a bit longer and launch later in 2024.

But the source is allegedly a contractor doing work for Pokemon for a DLC graphics patch. so i think we could infer a lot of devs outside of Nintendo have access to kits if this is true.
 
If that really did cut down throughput relative to regular Zen 2, that's a relief. Core against core, my long term concern was the PS5 gen pushing game programming towards flexing the 2x256 bit FP/vector throughput, while the Cortex-A cores are still at 2x128 bit.
 
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KCannon said:
AFAIK, the official Japanese date for the DLC is AFTER Winter 2023.

When in doubt, always go for what the original language says. Translations can fumble details, from major to minor.
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Is this translation correct? I really doubt GameFreak would make such an amateurish mistake, and even then it wouldn't even make sense to say "after Winter 2023", it's the same as saying "2024".
 
KCannon said:
AFAIK, the official Japanese date for the DLC is AFTER Winter 2023.

When in doubt, always go for what the original language says. Translations can fumble details, from major to minor.
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Source? I doubt "details were fumbled" in a straightforward translation of factual marketing material like a release window.
 
LiC said:
  • Setting aside the fact that it's fake, "winter 2023" definitely doesn't include January or February 2024.
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A clarification; Winter 2023 is specifically Dec 2023 - Mar 2024, winter seasons always drag out into the next year. That said, I'm on team "marketing intern/YouTube employee decided to stir the pot," even with the unmentioned terastal form it lines up way too closely with the exact info from the Presents
 
Ojoloco said:
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I don't think this says "after winter 2023." I think it says "winter 2023 or later." Since all the translated versions dispensed with the "or later," that makes it look like boilerplate language without much significance. All release windows like this are treated like estimates and not commitments, and I think they're just spelling that out here. Every report on the presentation right now is saying that all the DLC will be out later this year, so if it's actually supposed to be scheduled for next year, I think the PR people would correct that.

It could also be seen as an awkward way of including January and February in the window, but in that case I would expect the translations to say "winter 2023-2024" or something like that.
 
Paxie said:
A clarification; Winter 2023 is specifically Dec 2023 - Mar 2024, winter seasons always drag out into the next year. That said, I'm on team "marketing intern/YouTube employee decided to stir the pot," even with the unmentioned terastal form it lines up way too closely with the exact info from the Presents
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No, please. If you stop now, we don't have to have another conversation about the demarcation of the seasons. I'm warning you, it never ends.
 
LiC said:
I don't think this says "after winter 2023." I think it says "winter 2023 or later." Since all the translated versions dispensed with the "or later," that makes it look like boilerplate language without much significance. All release windows like this are treated like estimates and not commitments, and I think they're just spelling that out here. Every report on the presentation right now is saying that all the DLC will be out later this year, so if it's actually supposed to be scheduled for next year, I think the PR people would correct that.

It could also be seen as an awkward way of including January and February in the window, but in that case I would expect the translations to say "winter 2023-2024" or something like that.
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Winter 2023 has a piece in early 2024. In addition, even the Eshop itself includes it in 2024.
 
Paxie said:
A clarification; Winter 2023 is specifically Dec 2023 - Mar 2024, winter seasons always drag out into the next year. That said, I'm on team "marketing intern/YouTube employee decided to stir the pot," even with the unmentioned terastal form it lines up way too closely with the exact info from the Presents
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The point isn't which months are included in winter. You would want to clearly communicate that your release window included 2024, and because "winter 2023" literally does not contain the text "2024," it doesn't do a good job of that. As I mentioned, open up any article about this DLC news and you'll find that most of them have interpreted it to mean that both waves are coming this year.

Ojoloco said:
Winter 2023 has a piece in early 2024. In addition, even the Eshop itself includes it in 2024.
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I'm aware.
 
Nintendo will certainly give a firm date before the beginning of winter 2023, and I can only take that to mean either they will give both dates at the same time for both DLC part 1 and part 2, or part 2 will not be dated at the same time because it will be Q1 2024
 
Ojoloco said:
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The official translation is "Winter 2023". That means this calendar year.

I assume the original intent was something like "around" or "before the end of".

As for the demarcation of the seasons.

You already know what I think.

But what I or anyone thinks is irrelevant. It is slated for calendar year 2023.
 
Concernt said:
The official translation is "Winter 2023". That means this calendar year.

I assume the original intent was something like "around" or "before the end of".

As for the demarcation of the seasons.

You already know what I think.

But what I or anyone thinks is irrelevant. It is slated for calendar year 2023.
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The Eshop is very clear about it being April 2024.

Which lines up with "After Winter 2023". Occam's Razor and all that.
 
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KCannon said:
The Eshop is very clear about it being April 2024.

Which lines up with "After Winter 2023". Occam's Razor and all that.
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The eShop is also clear about Splatoon 3: Side Order coming out December 31st 2024.

The eShop in both cases is clearly wrong. It is using a placeholder date. As these things almost always do if they are for sale without a public release date.

That also isn't how Occam's Razor works. DLC releasing on or around the placeholder date is not the simplest answer.

Officially, they said 2023. No further context or explanation is needed. 2023 is the simplest answer.
 
Concernt said:
The eShop is also clear about Splatoon 3: Side Order coming out December 31st 2024.

The eShop in both cases is clearly wrong. It is using a placeholder date. As these things almost always do if they are for sale without a public release date.

That also isn't how Occam's Razor works. DLC releasing on or around the placeholder date is not the simplest answer.

Officially, they said 2023. No further context or explanation is needed. 2023 is the simplest answer.
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The simplest answer is the one that lines up with what we're given. If two tranlations emphasize Winter 2023 (a period that is overwhelmingly 2024) with the original japanese one mentioning the period after the first months of 2024, then we can expect early 2024.

It's not just the Japanese translation. The Chinese one corroborates it too, so it's not an isolated thing.
 
KCannon said:
The simplest answer is the one that lines up with what we're given. If two tranlations emphasize Winter 2023 (a period that is overwhelmingly 2024) with the original japanese one mentioning the period after the first months of 2024, then we can expect early 2024.

It's not just the Japanese translation. The Chinese one corroborates it too, so it's not an isolated thing.
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April 2024 could be the last possible date of the release window similar to the aforementoned 12/31/2024 for the Splat3 DLC
 


I suppose it could be interpreted as the "enhancement patches are being released with DLC pack 2" but why mention "new nintendo switch models". We don't even know if the person translating is lying about their first language in order to protect their identity. I think there's a possibility every line was deliberate.
 
Concernt said:
Officially, they said 2023. No further context or explanation is needed. 2023 is the simplest answer.
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We can only hope. I have been very happy with my Switch and have really enjoyed my OLED model I purchased in 2021, but that was just a snack to hold me over until we get the real meat and potatoes upgrade. A week from now I will have been gaming on Switch for 6 full complete years, and for me, that's a solid generation. I am ready for a generational upgrade. This also lines up with the new hardware every two years. So when you look at the timing, the lack of games penciled in for the second half of 2023 and now this leak, it seems like the table is set for a holiday 2023 Switch 2 release.

Nates sources do not have development hardware. If Switch 2 launches later this year, Nate has stated he would be surprised because he would expect his sources to have development hardware, and currently, they must not have that.
 
KCannon said:
The simplest answer is the one that lines up with what we're given. If two tranlations emphasize Winter 2023 (a period that is overwhelmingly 2024) with the original japanese one mentioning the period after the first months of 2024, then we can expect early 2024.

It's not just the Japanese translation. The Chinese one corroborates it too, so it's not an isolated thing.
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They emphasize 2023

A period which is overwhelmingly not in 2024.
 
eye0h said:


I suppose it could be interpreted as the "enhancement patches are being released with DLC pack 2" but why mention "new nintendo switch models". We don't even know if the person translating is lying about their first language in order to protect their identity. I think there's a possibility every line was deliberate.
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Some people are reading that the DLC and the patch would be release at the same date of a Switch 2.

But other interpretation is: the patch for new enchancements and the dlc will be release the same day, but the new consoles can be release on another date
 
Folks who believe "Winter 2023" somehow includes the beginning of 2024, please give just one example where Nintendo or GF announced something for "Winter Year X" and it was released the following year with no prior notice of delay.
 
Ojoloco said:
Some people are reading that the DLC and the patch would be release at the same date of a Switch 2.

But other interpretation is: the patch for new enchancements and the dlc will be release the same day, but the new consoles can be release on another date
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I'm not sure I understand the second interpretation then. Would the enhancement patch work with the regular switch?
 
Ojoloco said:
Some people are reading that the DLC and the patch would be release at the same date of a Switch 2.

But other interpretation is: the patch for new enchancements and the dlc will be release the same day, but the new consoles can be release on another date
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If the leak is real the only way it makes sense is if a new Switch is released before the DLC, there is no way to release an enhancement patch for an unreleased console, and I find it extremely hard to believe that this patch would be for the Switch OG.
 
Ojoloco said:
Some people are reading that the DLC and the patch would be release at the same date of a Switch 2.

But other interpretation is: the patch for new enchancements and the dlc will be release the same day, but the new consoles can be release on another date
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THIS! It probably means that the patch (for the new Switch 2) will release alongside the DLC 2, but this means that Switch 2 is coming before Winter 2023
 
Gerald said:
When its next Nintendo investor call?
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Sometime in May. The exact date will be announced in roughly 2-3 weeks.

LinkURL said:
Folks who believe "Winter 2023" somehow includes the beginning of 2024, please give just one example where Nintendo or GF announced something for "Winter Year X" and it was released the following year with no prior notice of delay.
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Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting it -- we all know that the season of winter which begins in 2023 includes months in 2024, and we know that "winter 2023" is a way you could refer to that season. But this is about marketing, not technical correctness or casual usage, and citing "winter 2023" for something that might release in 2024 is bad marketing. Indeed, most authors I've seen have concluded that both parts of the DLC are coming this year. Is bad marketing possible? Sure. But comparing to all other examples of window announcements for the last several years makes a release in 2023 the obvious conclusion.
 
Mirev said:
THIS! It probably means that the patch (for the new Switch 2) will release alongside the DLC 2, but this means that Switch 2 is coming before Winter 2023
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If Switch 2 will be before Winter 2023 we will have aleardy big leaks about devkits etc
 
Graphical update can mean a lot of things. Toning down the aggressive LOD and upping the res are technically "updates." I think the "misreading" might be that people think this gonna overhaul the game Metroid Prime Remake style lol.

I think this is worth paying attention to and filing it away along with other rumors. Getting all the other info correct is interesting to say the least...
 
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KCannon said:
eShop still mentions 2024. Original Japanese still mentions after 2023.

We could go on forever with this.
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What to believe?

  • eShop date which is usually wrong because it's just a placeholder
  • Google translation that says "after Winter 23"
  • Official translation from the company itself that says only Winter 23
 
I can absolutely believe that at this point, several developers have access to development kits, and even if I do not think those latest rumors are true, they are interesting nonetheless.

What I'm convinced is bullshit however is that development kits were ubiquitous in 2021 with even some sent in 2020, for an allegedly cancelled 2022 model. If that was the case, not only would it be near impossible for Nintendo to have a quick turnaround and release a new generation 1.5-2 years later, but you can be 100% sure that several disgruntled developers would have spilled the beans and bitch about Nintendo cancelling a console 1-2 years after telling people to start developing software for it. 11 or 12 developers, as claimed in 2021, and even more after, would mean easily several thousand of people in the know.

The logical conclusion is that whoever pushed this narrative, and is now claiming that "plans have changed" is now certainly not qualified to weigh-in about the latest rumors; at least, not more than any random forum member.

Just my opinion, as always.
 
eye0h said:
I'm not sure I understand the second interpretation then. Would the enhancement patch work with the regular switch?
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No.
The Second interpretation is that the patch and the dlc would be release at the same day, but the new consoles can be release on another date (maybe the month before).
 
LinkURL said:
If the leak is real the only way it makes sense is if a new Switch is released before the DLC, there is no way to release an enhancement patch for an unreleased console, and I find it extremely hard to believe that this patch would be for the Switch OG.
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The release on another date includes the posibility of the new console before the patch and the dlc
 
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