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Moblin
It may be ironic because of how much I've posted about and debated it, but I'm actually one of the people who genuinely doesn't care if Nintendo waits a long time to release an upgrade to the Switch (or whatever hardware there may be). So I take issue with this implication that the people finding it difficult to accept Nate's hardware narrative must just be mad because their expectations weren't satisfied. I don't see any toxic reactions over the fact that previously reported info didn't pan out. I believe most people here are mature enough to understand that can always happen for any number of reasons. It's a lack of coherency, which inhibits the purpose of this thread -- discussing/speculating -- that I think is the sticking point.
There are several different pieces of information, some presented as fact and some as speculation, that were previously being glued together (by Nate and by us) into a scenario that said hardware was happening at such and such time. Now there are new pieces of information which Nate is gluing onto the previous info -- explicitly stating that the past reporting was all correct -- to form a scenario that says the hardware isn't happening at all. What's transpiring in the thread now is just other people trying to contextualize those pieces of info for themselves, to try to wrap their heads around it all. One way to do that is by considering different concrete scenarios as an exercise to see whether the pieces can actually be fit together. Which is what I see in the post you responded to.
So like I said, I can accept that my expectations may not be met. New hardware may not come out until 2024 or later. Maybe it had a really long development time for some reason, or maybe it started development later than we think it did. Anything's possible... except for things that are contradictory. Which is where my issue with the "everyone needs to stop this" part comes in.
I think what you're saying there makes sense, but only in the context of "plans change" or attacking someone for "getting things wrong." For that I agree -- besides the fact that it's just shitty behavior -- the data is not there, and you can't declare we know something couldn't have happened a certain way. Unprecedented events are only unprecedented until they happen. But that's not what the context is in that post, or most of the posts here.
What's happening there is just contextualizing, and saying "everyone needs to stop" doing that is basically saying to presume all information presented to us must be true, or at least, that we can't know for sure that two pieces of factual information or speculation are really contradictory, because we must always assume the existence of an unknown third piece of factual information that reconciles them.
People are free to think whatever they want to think. My post wasn't specifically about peoples' responses to Nate's podcast, it was to highlight the problems with a specific type of fallacious reasoning that can have unintended consequences and could have a negative impact on the community.
Speculative discussion can easily go down a rabbit hole of cumulative assumptions, where each individual assumption isn't too problematic, but when predicated on lots of other assumptions, the cumulative effect can lead to misinformation and disappointment.
The goal of my post was to highlight how important it is to not get carried away with assumptions. I certainly wasn't trying to police how people discuss this topic. I apologize if that was not clear in my original post.
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Looking back at my original post, "...what everyone needs to stop..." was a poor choice of words and may have given the impression that I was attempting to moderate the discussion. My intent behind those words was to convey "if we don't want the speculation to spiral out of control, we cannot rely on that kind of reasoning". Clearly, I should have worded that better.
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