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Rumour Reddit Leaker: "Do you think everyone is primed and ready?" (Metroid Prime?)

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LiC said:
It was announced on January 25 2019, so the evaluation and process of scrapping the first project and switching to Retro surely must have happened in 2018. The important point is that this all happened within less than 2 years of the system's launch, and there would be nothing at all on anyone's mind to target the project at a future hardware upgrade that hadn't even begun development yet.
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well future hardware is always in "development", you mean not yet concrete. but research and development and communication with nvidia what the plans / realistic expectations for the next years are where for sure done. and with how long modern AAA games take, restarting a game 2 years into a console run would mean them at least knowing it will be a late gen release, meaning the thought of if probably being useful for a dual release or an port/update a year later where there.
That does not mean they knew how strong a successor would be.
but they knew in what ballpark the increases would be(2x/4x/6x, if some specific features would be relevant (HDR,VRR), and could take those into the plans for the engine which is easier if its planned for from the start than adding it add hoc to the game.
in other words: AAA development plans for the future, and especially platform holders have a better idea when it would make sense and how long things take.
 
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stodesign12 said:
I think I've never seen something like that (apart from Fallout 76 when it launched completely broken, but that wasn't on purpose lol)
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Resident Evil 2 on the N64 outright swapped TV out modes scene to scene depending of which resolution/framerate combo fit it better. It's why the game breaks most modern capture devices and frame upscalers.
 
Was there ever any update to this particular rumor/leaker etc after they deleted their account? We've been "primed and ready" for more than two weeks now. Lol. If there is any truth to it, they definitely jumped the gun a little early.
 
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Psyborg said:
Was there ever any update to this particular rumor/leaker etc after they deleted their account? We've been "primed and ready" for more than two weeks now. Lol. If there is any truth to it, they definitely jumped the gun a little early.
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Considering their previous actual leaks were each basically one day ahead of the event in question, I think we've passed the window for believing they had legit info on something happening.
 
Zeal543 said:
When BotW, a wiiu game, can't even hit consistent 30fps, I have to disagree.
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BotW's Switch port was made in less than a year alongside the Wii U version's final stretch of development, running the Wii U engine at a higher res with no Switch specific optimizations. It's not the best point of comparison to a game made ground up for the Switch, but I don't think the comparison works in the first place as Prime 4 isn't going to be a third-person open-world game and wouldn't need the same concessions.
 
Zeal543 said:
When BotW, a wiiu game, can't even hit consistent 30fps, I have to disagree.
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Its an open world game. Obviously it will not hit the target framerate the whole time, no open world game does that. BotW had notable improvements on Switch compared to the WiiU version, like higher resolution, better lightning, higher quality soundscape.

Anyway there is no doubt that the BotW engine was not optimized for Switch at launch, some patches raised the performance notably even month after launch.
 
Zeal543 said:
60 fps is achievable but I don't think they can preserve the relative high technical visuals on top of it like the original trilogy
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What does that even mean tho?
Prime 1/2 had at 60FPS the best the Game Cube could pull off. Prime 3 had at 60FPS the best the Wii could pull off(well there's Other M and Smash Brawl tho). Why can't Prime 4 do the same?
Super Mario Odyssey looks better than BotW in every possible way except image quality as BotW has higher resolution and some kind of AA, and SMO is 60FPS.

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I would be pretty surprised if this wasn't an open world game as open-world or multiplayer are almost always the best option when you're trying to expand the sales of your franchise and there's been no indication of multiplayer. No one at Retro has any multiplayer programming experience (they had some multiplayer programmers in the past, but they all left after Prime 4 was announced and the game before Prime 4 cancelled).

And almost no open world Switch games run at 60.
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Why would we jump to the conclusion the game is open world tho? The only official information we ever had on it compares it to the original MP which wasn't open world.
Aether said:
MP will not be an big open world game as zelda, or even have as vast zones as Mario (i assume), so im confident that 60fps will be what they are aiming for. i expect it to be closer to the zones in Doom 2016.
im 90% confident that they will aim for
900p@60fps for MP4
1080@60fps for MP1

only 80% confident take:
and they will have made the textures for 4 in higher fidelity in mind to then have either a patch or a 4k port later on. it is a first party game that can function as a "realistic graphics" showcase for mature audiences, so nintendo would have had somewhat of a plan when moving to retro to give them the wink / hint to to prepare for higher resolutions.
the models... i think will work fine for the most part in lower and higher resolution, so i expect there not to be to much change, but an increased abundance of particle effects, foliage, etc.
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Yeah I agree with you here.
If anything, they can go with a lower resolution and use TAAU if they want to. But I don't think they'd sacrifice 60FPS right away.
stodesign12 said:
I think I've never seen something like that (apart from Fallout 76 when it launched completely broken, but that wasn't on purpose lol)
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There's at least 2 examples I can think of on Switch:
  • Splatoon 3 is 60FPS dynamic resolution (820p-1080p) mostly (story mode, online, training, salmon run, etc) and 1080p30 on Splatsville. Splatoon 2 also uses the dynamic resolution and 60FPS, while dropping to 30FPS and locking 1080p on Inkopolis;
  • Super Mario Odyssey is dynamic resolution (720-900p) and 60FPS, but its photo mode is 1080p30.
ILikeFeet said:
sure they can. unless you mean relative to other platforms, then that's never going to happen even if they targeted 15fps. but best looking switch game at 60fps isn't unachievable
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Exactly, like how Splatoon 3, Super Mario Odyssey and ARMS have already done, but with further room for improvement and more graphical features as it's gonna be a late gen release, with more budget and so on.
Zeal543 said:
When BotW, a wiiu game, can't even hit consistent 30fps, I have to disagree.
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  • We have Portal Companion Collection running at 60FPS, 1080p and with 4x MSAA on Switch while on PS360 the game was 30FPS, 720p and with no AA;
  • Alien Isolation is better looking on Switch than PS4;
  • Super Mario Odyssey, built from the ground up for Switch, released the same year as BotW, is better looking and is 60FPS;
  • Splatoon 3 is a huge step from 2 and a generational leap from 1, runs at dynamic 1080p and is 60FPS;
  • A port of a game made on a running against the time, before the Wii U version was even completed, that was just straight ported over, while also getting to a higher resolution, of the most ambitious game Nintendo had ever made and open world isn't the best comparison point.
 
Tangerine_Cookie said:
Wanna bet on TotK running better than BOTW on average, friend? :3
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...honestly, it wont run over 30fps and after all the updates BotW holts the 30 pretty well for the most part.
I assume it will run about the same, just with slightly better visuals (textures, resolution, draw distance...).
 
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Marce-chan said:
What does that even mean tho?
Prime 1/2 had at 60FPS the best the Game Cube could pull off. Prime 3 had at 60FPS the best the Wii could pull off(well there's Other M and Smash Brawl tho). Why can't Prime 4 do the same?
Super Mario Odyssey looks better than BotW in every possible way except image quality as BotW has higher resolution and some kind of AA, and SMO is 60FPS.


Why would we jump to the conclusion the game is open world tho? The only official information we ever had on it compares it to the original MP which wasn't open world.

Yeah I agree with you here.
If anything, they can go with a lower resolution and use TAAU if they want to. But I don't think they'd sacrifice 60FPS right away.

There's at least 2 examples I can think of on Switch:
  • Splatoon 3 is 60FPS dynamic resolution (820p-1080p) mostly (story mode, online, training, salmon run, etc) and 1080p30 on Splatsville. Splatoon 2 also uses the dynamic resolution and 60FPS, while dropping to 30FPS and locking 1080p on Inkopolis;
  • Super Mario Odyssey is dynamic resolution (720-900p) and 60FPS, but its photo mode is 1080p30.

Exactly, like how Splatoon 3, Super Mario Odyssey and ARMS have already done, but with further room for improvement and more graphical features as it's gonna be a late gen release, with more budget and so on.

  • We have Portal Companion Collection running at 60FPS, 1080p and with 4x MSAA on Switch while on PS360 the game was 30FPS, 720p and with no AA;
  • Alien Isolation is better looking on Switch than PS4;
  • Super Mario Odyssey, built from the ground up for Switch, released the same year as BotW, is better looking and is 60FPS;
  • Splatoon 3 is a huge step from 2 and a generational leap from 1, runs at dynamic 1080p and is 60FPS;
  • A port of a game made on a running against the time, before the Wii U version was even completed, that was just straight ported over, while also getting to a higher resolution, of the most ambitious game Nintendo had ever made and open world isn't the best comparison point.
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Because Nintendo probably wants Prime 4 to sell 5-10m copies and massive franchise sales expansion is most common with either open world or multiplayer and they're definitely not doing multiplayer.

I'm extremely doubtful Nintendo would be happy with 3-4m in sales after Prime 4's catastrophic 8+ year dev cycle, lol.
 
Serif said:
BotW's Switch port was made in less than a year alongside the Wii U version's final stretch of development, running the Wii U engine at a higher res with no Switch specific optimizations. It's not the best point of comparison to a game made ground up for the Switch, but I don't think the comparison works in the first place as Prime 4 isn't going to be a third-person open-world game and wouldn't need the same concessions.
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ILikeFeet said:
there are so many different caveats to that comparison that it renders it moot.
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In that case there are multiple other examples like the xenoblade games or even games that don't push visuals that are at 30 like FE
 
Zeal543 said:
In that case there are multiple other examples like the xenoblade games or even games that don't push visuals that are at 30 like FE
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There are also plenty of games that push 60fps on Switch though, including some of its best looking like Mario Odyssey and FAST RMX.
Prime 1, 2, and 3 were all among the best looking games on their respective consoles at 60fps too.
 
curl-6 said:
There are also plenty of games that push 60fps on Switch though, including some of its best looking like Mario Odyssey and FAST RMX.
Prime 1, 2, and 3 were all among the best looking games on their respective consoles at 60fps too.
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This massively depends on what type of game Metroid Prime 4 is. The first 3 games are linear, small environment games like Doom and God of War for modern examples. A game more like BotW or Horizon would probably not be able to have graphics that pushed the Switch and managed to easily hit 60.
 
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All we have to go on right now is Retro's history, and the original press release for Prime 4 which said it would be focusing on the aspects that made Prime 1 so beloved. Yes, that was before Retro was on the project, but we know how stubborn Tanabe can be, so that aspect will likely remain in tact, along with Sylux being in it.

Prime 4 being open world is just wishful thinking by the fans. Even ex Retro folk have said they don't think Prime 4 will be open world, and I agree. Modern open world design is the antithesis of Metroid. I don't think it's impossible, just unlikely
 
Instead of technical concerns, what do you all think the game will ultimately be? I’m expecting larger environments at certain points for sure even if good chunks of the game will resemble classic Prime with smaller rooms. I feel like a big part of Metroid gameplay is really studying your environment and having smaller rooms helps people navigate/explore/puzzle solve in them. I’m hoping for a solitary experience, but Prime 3 did introduce radio conversations which did work well. An option to have scan logs read to you would be cool.

Any guessing on the central gimmick if there is one? ie light and dark world, being hunted down etc. What kind of world would you like to see? I think I’d prefer something closer to Tallon IV after Prime 2 and 3 had more barren worlds.
 
curl-6 said:
There are also plenty of games that push 60fps on Switch though, including some of its best looking like Mario Odyssey and FAST RMX.
Prime 1, 2, and 3 were all among the best looking games on their respective consoles at 60fps too.
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Mario Odyssey is a good counterexample but I would say browser's fury is a more apt comparison given that there's more to render on screen
ILikeFeet said:
and there are multiple cases of games that are 60fps
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None that are relatively as technically impressive visually compared to the original prime trilogy
 
ILikeFeet said:
sure they can. unless you mean relative to other platforms, then that's never going to happen even if they targeted 15fps. but best looking switch game at 60fps isn't unachievable
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of course, retro's technical prowess coupled with their art direction and a big-ass budget to support some great production values would make mp4 easily be the best looking switch game, even at 60fps.

i still would like to toggle, especially because while i do trust 60fps resolution is a much more important subject for me, i aint playing mp4 in 720 no way.
 
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Hailinel said:
Retro: Made a 60fps Tropical Freeze HD

Metroid Fans: "What it Retro doesn't know how to do 60fps in HD?!"
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like we said before, its not that they cant, its that they could choose to not do it. A 2d game is simply less demanding than a 3d game ofc.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Because Nintendo probably wants Prime 4 to sell 5-10m copies and massive franchise sales expansion is most common with either open world or multiplayer and they're definitely not doing multiplayer.
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Now, I sincerely doubt they'll ever bring back a Deathmatch/Prime Hunters style multiplayer, again. At least, not in a main Prime release.

That said, however, I wonder if something a bit more "Soulslike" with Invasions may be more a possibility. Could fit, perhaps, if time travel does indeed play a part in the game. Or maybe just have another player take over Sylux and freely mess with Samus for a while.
 
TreIII said:
Now, I sincerely doubt they'll ever bring back a Deathmatch/Prime Hunters style multiplayer, again. At least, not in a main Prime release.

That said, however, I wonder if something a bit more "Soulslike" with Invasions may be more a possibility. Could fit, perhaps, if time travel does indeed play a part in the game. Or maybe just have another player take over Sylux and freely mess with Samus for a while.
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They haven't hired a single multiplayer person in the four years since Prime 4 was announced and have let all of their old multiplayer people leave. That's why I'm very confident it doesn't have multiplayer.
 
xghost777 said:
Instead of technical concerns, what do you all think the game will ultimately be? I’m expecting larger environments at certain points for sure even if good chunks of the game will resemble classic Prime with smaller rooms. I feel like a big part of Metroid gameplay is really studying your environment and having smaller rooms helps people navigate/explore/puzzle solve in them. I’m hoping for a solitary experience, but Prime 3 did introduce radio conversations which did work well. An option to have scan logs read to you would be cool.

Any guessing on the central gimmick if there is one? ie light and dark world, being hunted down etc. What kind of world would you like to see? I think I’d prefer something closer to Tallon IV after Prime 2 and 3 had more barren worlds.
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I think there will be some larger areas... Skytown was something that the increased power of the Wii allowed them to do for Prime 3, so I think they can take it even further in 4. I do think they'll still keep small rooms. The Prime games always had a smaller room after a bigger room for both pacing and loading purposes, and I think it works well. I definitely think they'll keep to one planet and focus on isolation like the press release basically implied, though I think there will be more story elements than Prime 1 (and I full expect scanning to return).

As far as a gimmick, Tanabe mentioned time travel back during Federation Force interviews when discussing a potential Prime 4, so there could be something with that. I'm not really too picky on the particulars to be honest, I just want it to feel like a proper Metroid Prime game. It's been so long.
 
TheSpaceBetween said:
I think there will be some larger areas... Skytown was something that the increased power of the Wii allowed them to do for Prime 3, so I think they can take it even further in 4. I do think they'll still keep small rooms. The Prime games always had a smaller room after a bigger room for both pacing and loading purposes, and I think it works well. I definitely think they'll keep to one planet and focus on isolation like the press release basically implied, though I think there will be more story elements than Prime 1 (and I full expect scanning to return).

As far as a gimmick, Tanabe mentioned time travel back during Federation Force interviews when discussing a potential Prime 4, so there could be something with that. I'm not really too picky on the particulars to be honest, I just want it to feel like a proper Metroid Prime game. It's been so long.
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I’d be interested at a second stab at a two world mechanic with time being the focus. Hypothetically it would be two “normal” worlds at that point which should keep the puzzle solving inherent to swapping worlds while maintaining a smoother pace since one wouldn’t necessarily always be the slow/dangerous one like the Light/Dark split of Echoes.

Agreed in some ways I kind of want to make sure they can just make a Prime game again (not an easy task at all!) with Prime 4. They can go wild in a Prime 5 afterwards. I wouldn’t necessarily mind one that’s different though. I replayed the Trilogy back to back and they are very similar games. Tough balance to strike here lol.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Because Nintendo probably wants Prime 4 to sell 5-10m copies and massive franchise sales expansion is most common with either open world or multiplayer and they're definitely not doing multiplayer.

I'm extremely doubtful Nintendo would be happy with 3-4m in sales after Prime 4's catastrophic 8+ year dev cycle, lol.
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No Metroid game has ever even sold five million.
 
I really hope Kenji Yamamoto is involved in the soundtrack. I can't wait to hear what he can achieve with modern synths.
 
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So is the ever-recurring Prime Remakester rumor a plant by Nintendo to see where the leaks in their security are when it comes to industry rumors?

Are they using it to flush leakers out on the inside?
 
What if this wasn't meant as a leak at all and this person was just genuinely asking if we were ready? 🤔
 
Raccoon said:
baffled that a single shitpost could do so much damage
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The power of shitposting:

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There wont be any gimmick. Gimmicks in a game like prime tend to ruin the very expensive investment you made by ruining your sales, it isnt 2000 anymore folks.

Prime 4 will go wild
 
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My time limit for this thing is the Wii U eshop closure in march. If we hear nothing by then, I'll just buy the Trilogy and call it a day.
 
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