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Rumour Nintendo might not have a major Switch title after Zelda as they prepare to move on to new hardware

True or not, it would make sense. It’s far more important for new hardware to have an amazing first year full of big games than it is for old hardware to have an amazing last year.
 
MisterSpo said:
Yeah the next logical questions are:

1) If Zelda is Nintendo's last major/significant title before new hardware, how long of a gap do you expect before the next major/significant game?
2) What will Nintendo release across September to December 2023?

The only year Nintendo struggled for major releases in Q4 was 2020, peak pandemic, and they still managed to squeeze put 3D Mario re-releases either side of that period (September 2020 and February 2021). And Q4 still had multiple releases, to boot.

Edit - I also still think that major/significant is too iffy a signifier because it is usually used in such a hyper selective way with Nintendo which ignores plenty of major releases. Mario Party in October 2023 isn't a game I give a damn about but it has really become a major hit on Switch, for example.
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The correct answer is Switch 2 October 2023 wahey

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Tbone5189 said:
I find it funny how metroid prime 4 isn't considered when the game is gonna sell over 10mil units
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No matter how much it sells, I think it deserves to be considered because it's gonna be one of the most expensive game Nintendo ever did when it releases.
 
Raccoon said:
2023 might be a mid year, strap in

(though historically mid switch years are my favorite)
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I also like "mid" years. Mainly because it gives me time to focus on backlog.
Furthermore, having Fire Emblem Engage in Januari and Octopath in Februari I already have two months filled for potential new games.
 
Honestly after seeing how games like Returnal and Callisto Protocol can look in a dreary space setting, I'd be totally fine if MP4 ditched Switch completely and was a launch title exclusive for the next gen. Let them get crazier with it without having to hold back, you know?
 
MisterSpo said:
The correct answer is Switch 2 October 2023 wahey

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The rumor is innocent in itself. But then you realize it will fuel speculation like this (but serious) and it just starts to get really annoying.

I'm not convinced

And

usual Nintendo prediction caveats apply…

Are the key phrases in this rumor that will slowly fade in the effort to fuel such speculation.
 
Linkstrikesback said:
Pikmins biggest seller is at about 2.3m or so, and that's with whatever growth the switch had for the series.

It's certainly a tiny series in every reasonable description one could use. The only thing that keeps it alive is because Miyamoto essentially considers it his baby and even that's not enough to stop it disappearing for decade+ at a time even as he pushes for it.



It's definitely not going to be costing anywhere near any of the big Nintendo games in budget, lol. The much more likely explanation than them rebooting the game is that it was never more than a small team working on it because the series straight doesn't have that much priority and they only finally got around to it now.

If it was actually nearly done when Miyamoto said it was, they'd have pushed it out on the Wii U because they were goddamned desperately trying to get any and everything out and let standards fall through the floor. Gestures wildly at Mario Tennis ultra smash and animal crossing amiibo festival
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4-5 years of full development is definitely not cheap.
It clearly wasn't done when Miyamoto said, I'm not saying that.
What we know from insiders is that the game was rebooted in 2019. So I'm only counting development of 2019-2023.
 
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Skies said:
The rumor is innocent in itself. But then you realize it will fuel speculation like this (but serious) and it just starts to get really annoying.

I'm not convinced

And

usual Nintendo prediction caveats apply…

Are the key phrases in this rumor that will slowly fade in the effort to fuel such speculation.
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I mean, with Switch at the end of year 6, and Nintendo themselves talking to investors about things like backwards compatibility in a future system, successor talk now is pretty appropriate.

I get that's irritating after years of rumours around a 'Pro', but a successor is logically on the cards within the next year or two.
 
JorgenRaft said:
Honestly after seeing how games like Returnal and Callisto Protocol can look in a dreary space setting, I'd be totally fine if MP4 ditched Switch completely and was a launch title exclusive for the next gen. Let them get crazier with it without having to hold back, you know?
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I would not be okay with that in the slightest as someone who's waiting for that game since 2017.
 
What I found irritating about this pieces of "rumors" is that they say "I have NOT heard of games for late 2023, therefore there must be nothing and they're moving everything for 2024 for a new console".

Can't it be just that... You know... Your sources don't know the whole Nintendo lineup?

The "rumor" isn't even them saying they heard something concrete like a source claiming that a game is coming in 2024 alongside a new console or something.

For all we know the next console can be released next year, or be 2024 and games be cross gen and that would change nothing.

What we do know is that at least Pikmin 4 and Metroid Prime 4 are coming after TotK, so we have more evidence on the contrary than anything to support those claims.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that guy has ever had any insider information. I've seen his tweets before. Speculation really.

Big games could be in the scope of the next Mario kart, Mario animal crossing, etc. The 10 million sellers.

I do think the chances of a new Mario game is quite likely, one year from now. Would help sales with Drake/Switch 2, assuming that Drake comes out next year.
 
This makes sense to me. They will want to line up some heavy hitters for launch of their next hardware.
What I'm not sure about is whether Nintendo would let an entire Christmas elapse with no new major software and let Switch collapse like the Wii.

No new major titles until new hardware is fine if new hardware is arriving late 2023, it's effectively a 5-6 month gap.
I'd be a lot more concerned is if this hardware is a 'sometine in 2024' device because we'd be in a Wii like situation where we got 12+ months without major hardcore release.
 
Worth noting that these guys have clarified that these are their predictions based on what they know.



Many people in the past would give reporters like Nate a lot of crap when something doesn't exactly happen the way he said it would even when he would usually clarify that what he says are also his own predictions.

Not every insider reports their findings to stir the pot and cause chaos. Certain hardcore fandoms of the videos game industry just gotta take it easy sometimes and know how to react and set expectations to rumors like this.
 
MisterSpo said:
I mean, with Switch at the end of year 6, and Nintendo themselves talking to investors about things like backwards compatibility in a future system, successor talk now is pretty appropriate.

I get that's irritating after years of rumours around a 'Pro', but a successor is logically on the cards within the next year or two.
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Sure. Discussion or even release in 2024 and beyond is logical. 2023 is not. Tears of the Kingdom and/or Switch 2 would be delayed to coincide, just like with BoTW and Switch, if that was the case.
 
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Dekuman said:
This makes sense to me. They will want to line up some heavy hitters for launch of their next hardware.
What I'm not sure about is whether Nintendo would let an entire Christmas elapse with no new major software and let Switch collapse like the Wii.

No new major titles until new hardware is fine if new hardware is arriving late 2023, it's effectively a 5-6 month gap.
I'd be a lot more concerned is if this hardware is a 'sometine in 2024' device because we'd be in a Wii like situation where we got 12+ months without major hardcore release.
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This. And someone was talking about momentum when i said they will loose it if this thing is a 2024 release.
 
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Jencks said:
Did people just forget about Pikmin 4 or
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It's not significant in the scale of Mario Odyssey, Botw or Animal crossing.

Nintendo won't stop releasing games on Switch.

My understanding of this statement is "don't expect any more games like Mario, Zelda, Smash, Mario Kart"...
 
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Ok, so for him Pikmin 4 isnt significant
Despite being a potential multimillion seller (I mean: Pikmin 3 port is a million seller in Japan alone)

So, with a multimillion seller slated for January, one of their biggest game ever slated for May and a multimillion seller slated for 2023, plus various smaller games coming

...how is this any different from amy other year? Or do we pretend someone outside Nintendo could actually know about unannounced big projects so far away from now?

C'mon..yes it is xommon sense that a big chunck of their teams are already working on next gen projects/versions of new and still to be announced games...that's all
 
Aostia82 said:
Ok, so for him Pikmin 4 isnt significant
Despite being a potential multimillion seller (I mean: Pikmin 3 port is a million seller in Japan alone)

So, with a multimillion seller slated for January, one of their biggest game ever slated for May and a multimillion seller slated for 2023, plus various smaller games coming

...how is this any different from amy other year? Or do we pretend someone outside Nintendo could actually know about unannounced big projects so far away from now?

C'mon..yes it is xommon sense that a big chunck of their teams are already working on next gen projects/versions of new and still to be announced games...that's all
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They don't know. Nintendo themselves is probably still deciding what will and won't be released in 2023. Xenoblade 3 moving up of all things last year should tell you that nothing is truly concrete and things are constantly changing.

These statements are just pure speculation that could not be 100% confirmed even if they did have the contacts needed to be privy to such information. I mean, think about it. Who would know 100% percent the whole of Nintendo's lineup and what the exact release windows are. There are developers within Nintendo that don't even know what every other team is working on (if things are still the same as they were during the Iwata Ask days).
 
LukasManak22 said:
Imagine try to predict Nintendo
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LukasManak22 said:
Yeah, so the 2D title in development at Kyoto and 3D and 2D games in development over at Tokyo are really not that big. And I doubt either of these is a exclusive title, if successor releases there will be crossgen at least for 1 or 2 years.
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Cross-gen isn't really a thing Nintendo does, they usually have a pretty hard cut-off for games, save for a few exceptions like Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild. (probably more but that's just off the top of my head.)
Maybe those games you mentioned are in development for whatever comes next?
 
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1. These are the same people that aren't always that accurate with Nintendo.

2. Zelda being the one major tent pole for the year is not surprising at all, and it can probably carry the year considering its Nintendo's biggest game ever (in terms of scope, not sales). There will still be other "smaller" games like Pikmin 4.

3. No shit? Switch is turning 6 in March.
 
Skies said:
There are developers within Nintendo that don't even know what every other team is working on (if things are still the same as they were during the Iwata Ask days).
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Which Iwata Asks? I remember they said the opposite in (IIRC) the Wii Music Iwata Asks -- EAD teams used to meet to get feedback on each other projects periodically. Skyward also uses Motion Plus mainly because Eguchi convinced Aonuma it was perfect for Zelda.
 
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As long as this means we’re getting more games on the level of Pikmin this doesn’t really phase me much.

If we get, say, Pikmin 4, new Rhythm Heaven, and a Kid Icarus Uprising remaster, in addition to TotK and Silksong? That would be an all-time Switch year for me.
 
Some of my favourite games of the last few years haven't been "major" games; Dusk was my #3 Switch game of 2021, and 13 Sentinels and Prodeus were both in my top 5 Switch games of this year.
Next year has The Plucky Squire, Turbo Overkill, Phantom Fury, Another Crab's Treasure...

Plus, every year of the Switch has had content I loved that we didn't know about when the year started; Xenoblade 2 in 2017, Torna the Golden Country in 2018, Hellblade, Astral Chain, and Witcher 3 in 2019, Ori and the Will of the Wisps in 2020, Metroid Dread in 2021, Xenoblade 3, Nier Automata, and It Takes Two this year.

I'm not worried about 2023.
 
RochHoch said:
There's soooooo much DLC coming next year, I wonder if Nintendo planned it to help pad the gap between Zelda and the new console while OG Switch releases start to taper off.

Just look at this:

-Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Expansion Pass
-Mario Rabbids Sparks of Hope Rayman Expansion
-Splatoon 3 single-player expansion + regular updates
-Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Story Expansion
-Fire Emblem Engage Season Pass
-Pokemon Scarlet and Violet DLC (unannounced for now, but almost certainly happening considering how they handled SWSH)

That's so much.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Odyssey got DLC next year.
 
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The tail end of Nintendo systems is often filled heavily with recycled material as the software priority shifts to the next thing, so this is probably going to be true to some extent regardless of this specific claim. Insofar as the "major titles" are far less common, maybe not TotK being absolute last.

Re: Pikmin 4. Is it major? I'd say not really. Over the past twenty years we've received three titles and a spin-off. They all were successful enough to not close the door for more, but weren't like... gangbusters. Before the Switch I think the best selling one was around a million and a half units. It's kind of in the Kid Icarus, Punch-Out, Golden Sun range. I'd be hard-pressed to even consider it a b-tier series. Nintendo clearly has love for it, though. It is an EPD series.

And it will probably perform well compared to past iterations thanks to the Switch effect. I mean the Pikmin 3 port is the best selling entry in the series.
 
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Prime 4 and Pikmin 4 are major releases, whether they like it or not.
 
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I've yet to see any reason I should take these people's opinions seriously on the matter. What they've said to justify this stuff is... unconvincing.
 
The devil is in the detail here with what people consider to be big games. It's incredibly unlikely Nintendo will release another game on Switch on the level of TOTK, so you can say it'll be the last major release for the console in that sense. That doesn't mean there won't be other large tentpole releases between then and their next console launch.

But the question will be what form will these releases take? Remakes and remasters? Singleplayer-focused as opposed to GAAS multiplayers? Entries from some of Nintendo's smaller IPs to please fans while they keep the blockbusters behind for their next launch? For now we can but speculate
 
We know that at the least Metroid Prime 4, the Fire Emblem remake and the Metroid Prime remake are coming out for the Switch.

I don't believe this anyway but it's such a unspecific statement that it barely matters.

Marce-chan said:
No matter how much it sells, I think it deserves to be considered because it's gonna be one of the most expensive game Nintendo ever did when it releases.
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We'll see it when we get there. The past years have made it clear that predicting Nintendo is still impossible (recently "Zelda ports are definitely coming this Direct").

I'm FINALLY getting new Zelda after 4 years of excruciating sort-of-but-not-really anticipation so I'm happy regardless of the rest of the year. That being said, if 2023 is a slow year for Nintendo I sure hope that EPD's expansion is scaling up quickly because their release speed just doesn't cut it, and hasn't really for a long time.
 
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