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News Game Awards 2022 announced for December 8th (UPDATE: nominees announced, see threadmarks)
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Me watching cats as they watched people play Stray >>>>> 90% of games that came out this year, at least.
On that note, it's fine as a GotY candidate. I think Xenoblade is the bigger atrocity as pretty much any of the other big Nintendo games from this year are more worthy of the Nintendo spot in that list, but I don't think that calls the nominating process into question or anything.
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yep. the game isn't even in the top 100 2022 games on metacritic. usually the indie game that gets nominated is among the best received of the year. is just being memed on twitter for a week all it takes?
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(The Legend of Zelda enters the chat)
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I'm shocked that not only is XB3 nominated, but that it made it to this list, too.
Almost feels like the Return of the King year where the AMPAS had basically been waiting to heap Oscar nominations on it as a representative of the whole trilogy.
I mean, I know it's not that, just saying it feels like that to me
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Xenoblade 3 got a nomination! Finally some big public recognition for the series <3
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I think XC3's main theme, with the flutes, will be the opener for the GOTY orchestra segment
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No, because it's not even in the top 100 reviewed games of the year. I feel like Stray getting the nom despite being having a lower average review score then half a dozen games that were also nominated in other awards is very alarming.
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It would be amazeballs, but nah. Not happening.
They'll open with IMMEDIATE THREST, BABEYYY
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I haven't played Stray but it was one of the biggest (in terms of online traction) games of the month in which it released. It's a good-looking game with very positive reviews (c'mon it's an 84 on OC), but more than anything, it has DOUBLE the amount of reviews of any other indie title of this year.
It could simply be that it's one of the few indies that everyone in the jury has actually played, hence why it's being picked over Tunic, Immortality, etc.. I don't see anyone bringing up Norco, Freshly Frosted or what have you, even when they have a 91 on opencritic, given that they have 10-20 reviews and less people have heard/played the games.
It could simply be that it's one of the few indies that everyone in the jury has actually played, hence why it's being picked over Tunic, Immortality, etc.. I don't see anyone bringing up Norco, Freshly Frosted or what have you, even when they have a 91 on opencritic, given that they have 10-20 reviews and less people have heard/played the games.
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Review scores are not representative of an entire publication. Using them as the hard basis for justifying a nomination is pretty silly in my book.
It didn't dominate the scores, but it still both reviewed well and was received well. That's enough for me to consider it a perfectly acceptable nominee, even if it wouldn't have been my choice.
It didn't dominate the scores, but it still both reviewed well and was received well. That's enough for me to consider it a perfectly acceptable nominee, even if it wouldn't have been my choice.
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I feel bad for Elden Ring having to go against Xenoblade Chronicles 3 in multiple categories like that.
Praying for Hidetaka Miyazaki.
Praying for Hidetaka Miyazaki.
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In general, looking at Metacritic and using it as your marker for what should be nominated seems very faulty in its logic.
It's more likely that the people on the panel played it and adored it. If they have cats, there's an extremely good chance they did based on my own small circle of people who a) have cats and b) played Stray.
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Phenomenal ad placement
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Alarming in what sense? I don't think metascore is really relevant (till an extent)
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If the voters haven't even played the games that reviewed above Stray why are they even on the nominee panel? This is like how best animated film at the Oscars almost always just goes to Disney's biggest movie of the year.
If critical reception isn't being considered, don't call the award GotY, call it "most popular games we liked".
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yeah like, what are we doing here? the panel is worthless if they only play the most popular games. i mean sure the average gamer is more likely to have played stray than the other indie games this year but if you're working for a games publication and have the responsibility to nominate what you think are the best games of the year surely more should be expected of you?
it is a failure from the panel imo that stray is the best they could come up with in a year when indies generally did much better than most AAA games.
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Who says they haven't?
I just think that it's strange to single out Stray, which was well-reviewed and has a core of people who love it. For all we know, they played Neon White, etc., but they've got a bunch of cat-lovers on the panel who just really loved Stray.
It seems like you're inventing a scenario to justify your argument, tbh.
Whatever the case, looking at Metacritic as a guide is about as faulty; I can't imagine deciding the worthiest games of the year based on a review aggregate that takes about any old published review from a scoring site and throws it in there. Appeals to popularity are flawed ways to make decisions.
Neon White got ROBBED, not even a soundtrack nom, TGAs keep losing credibility year after year. I know that the game kinda niched itself with the “made by freaks for freaks” and the Suda51 inspirations but it still performed well and had great reviews, sure the fanbase seems somewhat insular especially compared to other niche series that blew up through word of mouth on the Internet but like… have you even tried the game, easy GOTY material
I get that there’s a bias for big third person action adventures but damn, I mean some of my favorite games are but at times you gotta give credit where it’s due. Sure ER and GOW would be on lock for GOTY but across all games released in 2022, you’d rather give nods to the ones fitting this template despite them being rated several points less on MC/OC? TGA bait is even more blatant than Oscar bait
I get that there’s a bias for big third person action adventures but damn, I mean some of my favorite games are but at times you gotta give credit where it’s due. Sure ER and GOW would be on lock for GOTY but across all games released in 2022, you’d rather give nods to the ones fitting this template despite them being rated several points less on MC/OC? TGA bait is even more blatant than Oscar bait
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I don't get why it's being assumed Stray is the only indie they played here or that they didn't play any of the other games.
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Because it makes it easier to make the argument that Stray shouldn't be on the list.
Sometimes, you have to accept that people didn't have the same viewpoint on a game as you did. And that's what I'm trying to process as GotY Kirby and the Forgotten Land gets one nom while XC3 is a GotY nominee.
LOL, the TGAs are terrible.
EDIT: And no "A Trip to Alivel Mall," "Burning, Churning Power Plant," or "New World: 100%" on the orchestra. When I'm emperor of this forsaken world, I'll retroactively make leaving Kirby off this GotY list a crime punishable by lifetime laboring in the salt mines.
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I predicted 4 nominations for Xenoblade 3:
Pretty spot on except it didn’t get in for “Best Narrative” which I’m genuinely shocked because it had one of the best story moments I’ve ever experienced in a game.
And how did Elden Ring got in Best Narrative and Score?
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Pretty spot on except it didn’t get in for “Best Narrative” which I’m genuinely shocked because it had one of the best story moments I’ve ever experienced in a game.
And how did Elden Ring got in Best Narrative and Score?
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Realistically, do Xenoblade 3 has a chance to win best RPG against Elden Ring ?
It's possible, the panels tend to hedge a bit so that games don't full sweep all categories.
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I loved Xenoblade 3 but definitely wouldn't give it a goty nod.
Predictably, Kirby gets relegated to family games. It deserved a nomination for music and multiplayer at the very least. It's also probably my personal goty, though I haven't really sat down with my own list yet.
My biggest complaint-- I don't care what anyone says about Sonic Frontiers, but damn that should have been a best music nomination. And they nominated God of war for stuff, so it's not like coming out last week was a prohibiting factor. Tomoya Ohtani basically produced a masterwork with that OST.
That said, the game awards usually misses the mark for me with its music category. Just a shame this time around since I thought that was such an exceptionally good OST from Ohtani.
Predictably, Kirby gets relegated to family games. It deserved a nomination for music and multiplayer at the very least. It's also probably my personal goty, though I haven't really sat down with my own list yet.
My biggest complaint-- I don't care what anyone says about Sonic Frontiers, but damn that should have been a best music nomination. And they nominated God of war for stuff, so it's not like coming out last week was a prohibiting factor. Tomoya Ohtani basically produced a masterwork with that OST.
That said, the game awards usually misses the mark for me with its music category. Just a shame this time around since I thought that was such an exceptionally good OST from Ohtani.
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tbh i also think xenoblade on the goty list feels weird as the obligatory nintendo nomination.
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What qualifies a game for Best Direction? If Xenoblade Chronicles 3 is good enough to be up for GOTY and RPG, is Takahashi not also deserving of a game direction nod? I feel like Nintendo games never turn up in that category - probably Zelda did, and that's it?
Anyway, pretty much all the Switch games I expected to get nominated have turned up where I thought they would. That being said, I don't expect many wins for Nintendo this year.
Anyway, pretty much all the Switch games I expected to get nominated have turned up where I thought they would. That being said, I don't expect many wins for Nintendo this year.
The highest rated Nintendo game of the year is pretty much a shoe in for Game of Year nominations, even when it's from a relatively niche series. This year it was a toss up between Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and Bayonetta 3.
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I would be astounded if it did. Don't get your hopes up.
I don't mean that as a knock on Elden Ring either, haven't played it myself but the positive reception speaks to itself. It's a special game.
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No Xenoblade 3 is one of the highest reviewed games of the year with an 89 average. It would be absurd to argue it's not worthy of the nomination. Stray has an 83 average which is lower then dozens of other games that were nominated in other categories. It absolutely sticks out like a sore thumb in the GotY list.
Should we just go "meta critic stop when we get to the 6 highest games"? No, but at some point if we're not even in the top 100 of the year, why are we even giving this game serious discussion? "Because maybe the panelist are really big fans of cats" ah yes the ideal method for deciding what's worthy of a GotY nomniation.
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I totally expect that category to come down to Uncharted and Sonic lol.
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It might have a shot because the Xenoblade community online (from what I've seen) seems pretty invested in this and might show up in a big way through voting, but Elden Ring is massive so it's hard to beat in any category, except for music which I honestly don't think it should have gotten nommed for at all.
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Xenoblade and Pokémon getting the nods is a huge deal for me. Neither will win anything, but I’m happy.
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I don't really understand the category either. Horizon Forbidden West and God of War: Ragnarok, while both great games in their own rights, are not what comes to mind when I think of "outstanding creative vision and innovation in game direction and design". Granted, I wouldn't vote Xenoblade Chronicles 3 for that category either.
Should've gone to games that actually try new things and reinvent the wheel a bit. I would've subbed out the above two for Neon White and Tunic.
I don't think Arcane loses that category, it was a cultural phenomenon.
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Nice to see Xenoblade make the list for goty, I really didn't think it would. Find it funny though how the first thing I saw about it was someone saying it was unfair it made the list and it was maybe only there so Nintendo had some representation. It's one of the best reviewed games of the year, of course it deserves to be there.
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Nah, I think Xenoblade was nominated based on merit. The list of options starts to thin out after you get past ~6.
Bayonetta 3
Kirby and the Forgotten Land
Neon White
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TMNT: Shredder's Revenge
The Last of Us: Part 1
Like, what would they have put in above Xenoblade? Outside of maybe Bayonetta 3, none of the other games comes close IMO. It did get a few other nominations as well so it wasn't a one and done thing.
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yeah, i get why it's there when you list the alternatives. personally i would have liked to see bayo or kirby in its place, but realistically those two didn't have a chance.
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Kirby only getting one nomination is highway robbery!
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Not sure why Triangle Strategy is in RPG and not, er, Strategy.
Esports with five awards- that kinda seems like it needs its own event at this point. But I guess it’s a big source of cash for sponsorship etc.
Good to see Tunic nominated for action-adventure and both the indie categories. I really hope it picks up something, it interests me more than any of this years bigger titles. Also having ‘debut indie’ is a really good idea given how wide the ‘indie’ label is- you’ve got some titles made by a single developer working alone to release their first title, or something like Deaths Door where the core team is still just two people but they’ve already put out a hit game, and then others like Ender Lilies that had a couple of dozen staff working on art elements alone (just picked those last two as examples as the last credit sequences I can remember!).
Esports with five awards- that kinda seems like it needs its own event at this point. But I guess it’s a big source of cash for sponsorship etc.
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Sadly, I have only played Tunic and Stray to this point. I need to get moving with these indie games.
Also, I agree with the Esports take. Personally, I have no interest in those categories, but I understand the need to include them.
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