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News New N64 games announced for NSO: Pilotwings 64, Mario Party 1/2/3, Pokémon Stadium 1/2, Excitebike 64, 1080° Snowboarding, and GoldenEye 007
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Where are my Mario Party 3 Duel Mode fans at? Can't wait to be followed around by a tiny Chain Chomp again.
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You think want banjo tooie, but as someone whose running through it on xbox right now…you dont want banjo tooie. Just replay the far superior first game again for your banjo fix
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Finally get the reverse Mushroom back in Mario Party 3
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It’s so cool to see Wave Race and now ExciteBike 64 and 1080 get rereleases. Now we just need new releases in these series!
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I’m also waiting on Super Smash Bros. and Donkey Kong 64 like everyone else, but I’m certain those will come in time; when it comes to first-party N64 games I’m more concerned about Hey You, Pikachu! than anything else because I’m afraid that one’s not gonna make the cut…
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Banjo Tooie was the first games I remember getting headaches from the uneven framerate.
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Super Smash Bros. feels like a “January 2024 for the 25th” anniversary” thing to me. Alongside an announcement for Super Smash Bros. Anniversary, coming in late 2024 to Switch Ultra.
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Pilotwings 64 made the direct for me. So many chill late ‘90s afternoons spent just flying around in the gyrocopter and never tiring of that soundtrack.
The massive copyright blurb for the N64 games from the direct really puts into perspective how much of a hassle getting GoldenEye on this service would've been; definitely has to be the most they've pushed for a single title thus far.
"Used by Permission of Sony Music Publishing"
This game belongs to Nintendo, Microsoft AND Sony, lol.
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Again some of us like Banjo-Tooie better.
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Here hoping also for tooie. To me they are two very different games, the first one is a platformer, but tooie was more like and adventure game with exploration, dialogues and the connexion between the leaves. One of the games I most love in my life.
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So this list of games takes us to next May (minus a US only title, probably Crusin' USA, to go with Harvest Moon 64). Throw in the 3 remaining Nintendo Rare titles for the summer and then that will probably be the (almost) last of it because then it will be time to launch Gameboy this time next year. Smash will probably come later because you know they're going to hold out on us.
Personally I gotta wonder whether this is the right strategy for Nintendo. Year 2 of NSO XP seems like it's set up to be pretty weak, if you subscribed to the first year there aren't many strong reasons to stay subscribed right now, it's just Mario Kart, the increasingly minor N64 games, and maybe a few Genesis games. If I had subbed at launch I wouldn't be renewing now. They want to play the long game but it seems like they're stretching it too thin. At least make more Tetris 99 themes...
Personally I gotta wonder whether this is the right strategy for Nintendo. Year 2 of NSO XP seems like it's set up to be pretty weak, if you subscribed to the first year there aren't many strong reasons to stay subscribed right now, it's just Mario Kart, the increasingly minor N64 games, and maybe a few Genesis games. If I had subbed at launch I wouldn't be renewing now. They want to play the long game but it seems like they're stretching it too thin. At least make more Tetris 99 themes...
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So help me if they are intentionally holding back on GB/C because of the 3DS eShop not shutting down until March 2023. I don't know if I can keep the FOMO at bay
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I am just surprised that there wasn't a stronger showing for why people need to renew their annual subscription, either with GameBoy NSO or just more hit N64 games on the immediate horizon. They must be banking on the popularity of the MK8D DLC and Goldeneye to carry them.
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I mean in regards to "more hit N64 games", they really do have 95% of them at this point lol. Speaking purely of first party owned titles that aren't peripheral based, it's just Smash Bros., Donkey Kong 64, and the Cruis'n trilogy. So everything after them (besides weird JP only stuff like Animal Forest or Itoi's fishing game) will just be Rare and other third party stuff.
Speaking of Rare, everyone's expecting DK64, Diddy Kong Racing and Banjo-Tooie but I do wonder if Blast Corps, Jet Force Gemini and Killer Instinct Gold will ever hit the service. They're the most plausible outside of the Banjo/DK stuff as they're just fully owned by Microsoft with no further licensing hurdles (sorry, Mickey) and also adhere to NSO's E-T Rating (sorry, Conker and PD).
Out of those three I think Blast Corps may have the best shot. Like Banjo (or even Killer Instinct, though it was only published in the west) it was actually published and co-owned by Nintendo back in the day, and it was seemingly even planned to release on Wii U VC at one point along with Banjo-Kazooie.
EDIT: Just pestered CyberWolf to update his N64 graph again...
Yeah we've pretty much already hit rock bottom first party wise lol
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Missing out on Harvest Moon again due to licensing makes me sad.
Would love Marvelous to just buy out the western publishing rights from Natsume for the entire franchise, but the Harvest Moon brand must be enough of a money spinner for Natsume for this not to have happened already.
The roadmap for N64 doesn't excite me personally, lacking any deeper cuts like Quest 64 or Ogre Battle, Goemon, Space Station, Castlevania, and more. There's a deeper library beyond Mario and Pokémon.
Would love Marvelous to just buy out the western publishing rights from Natsume for the entire franchise, but the Harvest Moon brand must be enough of a money spinner for Natsume for this not to have happened already.
The roadmap for N64 doesn't excite me personally, lacking any deeper cuts like Quest 64 or Ogre Battle, Goemon, Space Station, Castlevania, and more. There's a deeper library beyond Mario and Pokémon.
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I mean in regards to "more hit N64 games", they really do have 95% of them at this point lol. Speaking purely of first party owned titles that aren't peripheral based, it's just Smash Bros., Donkey Kong 64, and the Cruis'n trilogy. So everything after them (besides weird JP only stuff like Animal Forest or Itoi's fishing game) will just be Rare and other third party stuff.
Speaking of Rare, everyone's expecting DK64, Diddy Kong Racing and Banjo-Tooie but I do wonder if Blast Corps, Jet Force Gemini and Killer Instinct Gold will ever hit the service. They're the most plausible outside of the Banjo/DK stuff as they're just fully owned by Microsoft with no further licensing hurdles (sorry, Mickey) and also adhere to NSO's E-T Rating (sorry, Conker and PD).
Out of those three I think Blast Corps may have the best shot. Like Banjo (or even Killer Instinct, though it was only published in the west) it was actually published and co-owned by Nintendo back in the day, and it was seemingly even planned to release on Wii U VC at one point along with Banjo-Kazooie.
EDIT: Just pestered CyberWolf to update his N64 graph again...
Yeah we've pretty much already hit rock bottom first party wise lol
I think the obvious ones are Smash, DK64, Tooie, and Diddy that would draw a lot of interest in the service due to being notable games in the library. It's just weird they're going to sit on them all right now and give us 5 months of Mario Party and Pokemon Stadium rather than spacing those out. lol
But yeah other than Smash, the remaining library for N64 is gonna be entirely Rare and 3rd parties cause the remaining 1st party games are oddities. (Hey You! Pikachu needing an accessory, Animal Forest being Japan-only, etc.)
MK8 and ACNH DLC I presume are still going to be strong draws for a huge chunk of the audience.
Oh man please just give me Space Station Silicon Valley. PLEASE.
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I think there are two separate issues here, people staying subbed to nso, and people staying subbed to nso+ep.
The $20 base tier doesn't need anything else, it's main draw is online play and as long as people want to play stuff like MK8D, SMM2, Mario Sports, etc online Nintendo doesn't have to "bump up the offering".
For the $50 tier I can't imagine GB/C/A is really as big of a draw as some people make them out to be, at least in terms of being a make or break if you resub. I still think getting more expansion packs on the service should be Nintendo's focus, specifically Splatoon 3's upcoming dlc, along with the inevitable Fire Emblem Engage and Tears of the Kingdom expansion dlc.
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Online access is the main draw of the base tier but the other stuff are the spoonful of sugar that make paying for online acceptable. Nintendo has pulled back on supporting these things, from seemingly ending Tetris 99 support, reducing NES/SNES additions, not continuing to do interesting things like Mario 35, and removing the voucher program and without that stuff the base tier is a lot less appealing and comes off more as a tax than an added value to the consumer. Demos that used to be free for everyone (Switch Sports, Mario Strikers, Splatoon) have now been locked behind a technical paywall (even if some of them come with a free NSO week trial, the fact that you have to activate and then potentially deactivate that trial just to try these games is a burden that must mostly serve to turn off potential subscribers and to prevent them from trying games that they might like, so it doesn't even help Nintendo).
Fire Emblem is definitely not going to be included in the NSO XP, if it was they would have added Three Houses' dlc to it like they did with Octo Expansion. I don't disagree that Splatoon and Zelda are likely to have their paid dlc included in the XP but the first of those is at least 6 months off. Until then the value for a returning NSO XP sub who has already gotten the value out of what's already there is just their fairly weak roadmap of upcoming N64 games and playing the new Mario Kart courses offline, and that's kind of terrible.
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At the end of the day Nintendo can get away with anything for the $20 a year online tier as long as they
A) Have exclusives people want to play online like MK8D and SMM2
B) Are still a lot cheaper then what their competitors charge for console online multiplayer. The experience being worse doesn't matter due to point A.
None of your points are invalid, I just don't think for 90% of the people who pay for either tier of NSO that those things matter.
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Honestly, adding Pokémon Home to Nintendo Switch Online would make a way bigger difference to a lot of the people using the service than adding a bunch of old Game Boy games.
I hope they do add the Game Boy games, of course, but I don’t subscribe to the idea that that’s something they have to do to add value or even the best thing for them to do. Especially for the base plan. The base plan is pretty much an online play pass with a few classic games as a bonus, it’s not pitched as the key to the Nintendo Vault or anything. And + Expansion Pack seems like it might mostly be about expansion packs.
I hope they do add the Game Boy games, of course, but I don’t subscribe to the idea that that’s something they have to do to add value or even the best thing for them to do. Especially for the base plan. The base plan is pretty much an online play pass with a few classic games as a bonus, it’s not pitched as the key to the Nintendo Vault or anything. And + Expansion Pack seems like it might mostly be about expansion packs.
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I think we are at a point with NSO where the annual subscription is not September anymore. Splatoon, Animal Crossing, user base, etc changed it. My renewal is in March.
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It seems…possible that it could be GoldenEye in regions outside of Japan (where it’s listed as a 2023 title).
I think it’ll be either GoldenEye or Pilotwings.
Sony Music is a good supporter of Nintendo, coincidentally
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Even if they got every Rare game, the n64 library was always going to be bleak once Nintendo had tapped out on their 1st party titles. Even in a VC world outside of like Bomberman and Ogre Battle 64, what 3rd party software did you really anticipate seeing for N64?
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Yes, but because of that, I thought Nintendo may conserve the rollout and drop titles a bit more intermittently to last longer. I guess it's good they didn't really do that insofar as most of the notable stuff is there within the first year, but afterwards it becomes pretty rough.
I mean, unless they are sitting on a number of Rare titles.
I guess that's when you drop the new system.
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That is the thing about the Nintendo 64. The top of their library can go up against most gaming systems best (in my opinion). The problem is that the 64 library is by far the most shallow for systems that lasted more than a couple of years.
N64 selection looking better than the SNES selection after less than a year, not too bad
once n64 is exhausted, they'll probably just move onto GCN, whatever doesn't get remastered
or they could add Saturn and Dreamcast games next
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There are multiple streamers doing "beat every n64 game" challenges because the ~400 game library is actually feasible for someone to beat. I do think the n64 library deserves more respect once you get past the obvious big hits, but the vast majority of games even if they great would get a "??? Wut" reaction if announced like Hybrid Heaven, SCARS, or Battletanx Global Assault.
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Oh yea. I rented a few of those back in the day...
That's right, I'm looking at you Dark Rift and War Gods!
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I think the assumption is this month are most likely pilot wings and Goldeneye in the west but we don’t know which is which
Mischief Makers/Bangai-O, Snowboard Kids 1/2, and Puyo Puyo are likely on the strong NSO supporters. Flying Dragon and Fighters destiny Are both held by Nintendo friendly third parties. Ridge Racer 64 is coheld with Bandai and is a similar situation to Snes tennis. Konami can be weird but they supported Genesis NSO and snes to a lower extent. So Hybrid Heaven, Bomberman trilogy, Goemon duology, Castlevania and Deadly Arts could be on the table
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Goldeneye I never played but I had Mario Party nights as a kid and I can’t wait for those nights again.
I can not wait. The N64 rules
I can not wait. The N64 rules
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Those would be great, but with GB/C & GBA in the wings, I'm not expecting any of those to be next in line.
GBA is probably going to be the next for the Expansion pass, were I to guess.
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Personally speaking, I'm really looking forward to the "??? Wut" phase of N64 NSO.
It was great seeing people on here finally discover just how great of a game Wave race 64 is, after it was ignored for decades. So I can't wait to see how ya'll react to trying out other stuff like the Goemon games, Rocket Robot, or even Iggy's Wrecking Balls.
Like, to me, the weird but good stuff no one has ever heard about is the best section of any console's library.
And by this time next year they'll almost definitely be trying to sell people on GB/GBA stuff anyhow, so headline grabbing N64 names aren't gonna be needed as much.
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BTW does anyone know what the real hang up on Pilotwings 64 returning was? Have we seen copyright/trademark information for it?
I haven't seen anyone talk about that aspect of it post Direct, but I remember it being said that there were a number of possible issues that made it very unlikely to ever be brought back.
It was great seeing people on here finally discover just how great of a game Wave race 64 is, after it was ignored for decades. So I can't wait to see how ya'll react to trying out other stuff like the Goemon games, Rocket Robot, or even Iggy's Wrecking Balls.
Like, to me, the weird but good stuff no one has ever heard about is the best section of any console's library.
And by this time next year they'll almost definitely be trying to sell people on GB/GBA stuff anyhow, so headline grabbing N64 names aren't gonna be needed as much.
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BTW does anyone know what the real hang up on Pilotwings 64 returning was? Have we seen copyright/trademark information for it?
I haven't seen anyone talk about that aspect of it post Direct, but I remember it being said that there were a number of possible issues that made it very unlikely to ever be brought back.
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It looks like they completely have the rights now. Tho it could be like Pokémon stadiums where they figured it would be detrimental as a standalone product on VC
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Please!
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Goldeneye drop tomorrow?
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I know, but rare said "soon", and in the non Japanese direct they announced 3 games for the rest of 2022, and there are 4 months remaining.
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No, there's been a handful of third-party NES and SNES games with splintered releases; most of the time coming to Japan later. One example: Vice: Project Doom released on the international app in August 2019 and on the Japanese app in July 2020. Other splintered releases include Crystalis, Journey to Silius, Super Tennis, Breath of Fire II, Wild Guns, Mario's Super Picross, Super Punch-Out!! (two first-party examples!) and more. GoldenEye would simply be following that trend. There's too much supporting the posibility for GoldenEye to have a splintered launch for me to believe otherwise; if it was coming in 2023 everywhere they wouldn't be saying 'Coming Soon', and I don't expect Microsoft to be waiting that long for the Game Pass release with all the details they've already said (Microsoft PR says the Game Pass and NSO releases are simultaneous).
No longer an issue. GoldenEye on NSO is rated Z for Japan and the NSO site has a specific note for GoldenEye that it is not available to users under 18 years old. It is very likely that they'll be implementing some sort of age rating lock feature controlled via parental controls; and such a thing opens the doors wide for Perfect Dark (and maybe Conker too if Nintendo really want it).
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