Fair, if you read it that way. There's no "major" in the official transcript either though. It it obvious that VGC intended to embellish the point for view counts, hence the word choice of translation.
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News Nintendo wants to ensure the transition to future generations of hardware is as smooth as possible
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Counter point. The 3D screen enhanced game-play, but since it was glasses free, it is completely optional. That is the way to do something different while still appealing to everyone. I think it is cool when Nintendo goes off the beaten path and not just being another box.
Second counterpoint. The experience they wanted with the GamePad is why we have the Switch today. Seamless docking and undocking, but unlike the GamePad which was chained by the tech of 2010 (which even then made the system more expensive than they wanted), the Switch is not stuck with a "range". But I remember when I got the Wii U I loved that I could take it off the cradle and continue playing and give my wife the TV. And seamless, because remote play on Vita sucked as it was a crapshoot when it worked or when it did, it would often lag and get pixelated. Even when connecting directly to my console 2 feet away from me instead of wifi. But I do remember saying, this is cool, but I wish I could take the GamePad further away than my living room, patio, and bathroom without disconnecting.
Boom. Switch.
The Switch is very streamlined, but the JoyCons, even with its faults due to the drift issue, was them going full throttle on their "cause Nintendo" mindeset. And look, everybody who said haptic feedback was stupid suddenly loves it because PS5 has it (to the point they pretend Sony were the first to inplement it!). The JoyCons needs some stick improvement and some enhancements to the haptics and buttons, and it will be just perfect.
Stinkmeiser45
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I'm not saying what Iwata did was bad. He just had a different mindset, less focused on sales and more focused on creativity and unique design. Furukawa is a better businessman, that's all, he knows how to sell products.
That’s a fair point. I fully agree. I just wish we had a CEO who is a mix of Furukawa and Iwata (who came from the creative side).
terrornaught
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They really need to play it safe this time, people love the Switch so just give them a better Switch, like Sony and Microsoft do. Similar form factory, oled screen, 1080p screen, 4K/1440p on tv (both via Dlss), backwards compatibility which I think is absolutely essential this time, Mario Kart, Zelda and 3d Mario have to hit early and it needs to retail for no more that whatever the oled is selling for now.
I think inflation will force a Switch 2 to be $400 USD.
Blue Monty
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Switch OLED already has low profit margins, Switch 2 being same price would mean losing money per unit which is something Nintendo always tries to avoid.
It's both reassuring and for some reason, worrying lol
Blue Monty
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GB to GBA is the best by far and the only case of successful console into successful console in which the 2nd console was a bigger success than the 1st one. (GBA sold only 30m less in around half the time)
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I think the concern stems from whats going be innovated with the next mainline console. Tbh there isnt a lot to add to a Switch 2 they probably dont want to break the traddition since Wii days that every new Nintendo console is unique compare to its competitor.
Blue Monty
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Switch has almost no competition (Steam Deck and similar products don't really compete with the Switch) it would still be really different to the twins.
Wii overstayed its welcome, that's for sure, but WiiU would have bombed even if it had released 2 years earlier.
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The Wii successor only came too late because the Wii lost most of its momentum by 2009ish. The Switch is still expanding and aggressively selling both hardware and software. I won't be surprised one bit if 2022 comes and goes without any sort of announcement to a successor, especially with their forecast.
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fair enough lol
maybe it would've done better if it beat the unfortunately branded Wii uDraw to market
Heron
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One thing I think people should be aware of is that the price of this thing could be a lot higher than people expect, for a bunch of reasons.
- Inflation is running rampant, it's between 7-10% this year alone, could be again next year. The price of everything will increase to match. That's maybe a 20% increase.
- The Switch has never had a price cut, meaning people are perfectly happy paying $300 for 5-6 year old hardware. Implies they'd be willing to pay more for new hardware
- The PS5 and XSX have been sold out for 18 months at $500, and scalper markets show that the demand was there at much higher prices. People are willing to pay for tech devices.
- Chip shortages may cause higher BOP prices
- Even for a 2023 launch, the chip shortage will constrain how many units can be produced, which may cause companies like Nintendo to make up the shortfall in profit in extra profit per unit
Stinkmeiser45
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I also think it will cost $400, but anything over that is too much of a jump at once. What they might do is launch a pro version a few years later to get it up to $500.
Tentacle-tropes
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I don’t agree with this at all since if he was not very effective at his job then he would have been ran out of the job during the WiiU. Those strange business decisions led to the Wii, DS, & Switch which plenty of people said at various times did not make practical sense.
Oliver-1984
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It is a major concern for the japanese industry too. And indie devs from all around the world. Please don’t screw this one up, Nintendo.
And this time, test the hell out of the console and its controllers...
And this time, test the hell out of the console and its controllers...
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Can we refer to Furukawa as Shachousama? It would help me with learning vocab.
Tentacle-tropes
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Drift is still going to be a thing if what we see of PS/Xbox controllers are anything to go by.
Oliver-1984
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Sure, but with the Switch we also had screen scratching docks (How this one got through quality control, I will never know), broken ribbon cables inside JoyCons, terrible D-pads (from the company that invented them in the first place), cracks on the side of the card slot… And don’t forget the problems with interferences early on, that Nintendo solved with a piece of foam inside the JoyCons.
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Tentacle-tropes
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So for each of these,with the exception of the D-pad, it doesn’t matter if you do vigorous quality control because there will always be defects that get through. For the most part they were not that widespread & have mostly been fixed.
The d-pad is take it or leave it since that is more a design choice then being terrible. In which case it is entirely subjective to the person in question.
Oliver-1984
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My friend, if I can’t play Tetris without the fear of dropping pieces to the bottom of the screen at any time, I have every right to call this D-pad a piece of shit. I play on Nintendo consoles since the NES and never had this much trouble and incorrect inputs before. Ever.
Vigorous quality control, I don’t believe this for one second. They had to know what they had on their hands with the dock, they just didn’t care at that time.
We have four Switch consoles in our family and all of them had that problem. Luckily we are using screen protectors.
Just like with the various 3DS models and the boarders around the touchscreen who scratched the top screen.
Kingpin722
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The Switch concept is literally the Magnum Opus of Nintendo consoles. It’s a beautiful marriage of everything that makes Nintendo’s identity. It’s form factor allows us to perfectly experience it’s entire history whether handheld or Console. There’s literally no reason for them to go away from this concept EVER.
Also, it can never have direct competition from one of the other big 3 without them sacrificing their current positions. They just have to continue to evolve on the digital front and they’ll be fine.
Also, it can never have direct competition from one of the other big 3 without them sacrificing their current positions. They just have to continue to evolve on the digital front and they’ll be fine.
Tentacle-tropes
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I’m not saying you don’t have the right I even said it was subjective to the user. I’ve also played on Nintendo systems since the NES & find the Joy-Con d-pad fine for a variety of games.
I never even said they had vigorous quality control but if they did it still won’t stop defects from coming off the line. And, they probably did know to a degree but baked it into calculations for the product. They didn’t “care” because to them it was a non-issue that isn’t on the scale of the red ring for instance. Companies also just see it as just the unfortunate reality of portable screened devices. Even then they have iterate & mostly corrected the docks so they don’t scratch.
Oliver-1984
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Sorry for the confusion, I was talking about the D-pad on the Pro controller. The D-pad (or D-buttons, if you like) on the JoyCons is perfect for games like Tetris, but my thumb starts to hurt while playing 2D platformers like Mario and Shovel Knight.
Tentacle-tropes
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If it’s the pro controller then it probably just needs to be redone since they are generally just okay controllers outside battery life
Stinkmeiser45
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I'm not giving Iwata credit for "inventing" a handheld with an HDMI out, something everyone assumed Nintendo would do for years before the switch came out. Iwata's gimmicks were very hit and miss. They had very high highs and very low lows. Frankly speaking, it's a miracle their gimmicks turned out as well as they did. Because the Wii in particular could have easily bombed hard if the marketing campaign wasn't a stroke of genius. The 3DS as well could have been an utter disaster if Sony had put more effort and focus into the vita to capitalize on Nintendo's early failure with the device.
Overall I think that Iwata was in the wrong position. He should have been working on software design and side projects like Labo. He was clearly an incredibly creative man, but creativity doesn't always make a business money, sometimes it's better to play things by the book.
I’m not going to excuse drift cause it is an issue and it seems newer controllers from the others will get it as well more so than they have in the past - although not as bad due to the joycons shorter sticks and travel distance - but the dock scratching and ribbon cable are not widespread issues like the drift. Every product will have a defective unit. I’ve yet to encounter dock scratching or ribbon breaking, but I have drift.
When something is mass manufactured, there will always be a defect here and there - such as a dock being made with the walls not spaced correctly.
Joycon drift is a two part issue. One, from the initial design underestimating the resistance and not accounting for it, and - which is the reason other controllers are starting to get them - the manufacturer and the patent they have on the sticks, since that seems to be the common thread with the joycon and other non Nintendo controllers.
For drift, the only way to get around that unfortunately is go for a different design and manufacturer under a different patent, which I hope they do.
As for testing, of course they test them. But they didn’t test them appropriately. What worked before in their older controller sticks won’t fly with the joycon sticks as they are smaller and shorter.
BlueManifest
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I’ve been shocked how much everything costs since mid last year, how are people just now noticing
Tentacle-tropes
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I’m not giving him credit because “people assumed” is about the silliest reason I think I’ve heard to date. It’s one thing to assume & it’s another to bring to market. It just gives off major “the Switch will fail because…” vibes.
Playing things by the book with which system? The Cube? Sometimes you gotta take risks. Sometimes “gimmicks” don’t always land. But looking at Nintendo under Iwata’s tenure they absolutely made bank plus he setup Nintendo with another banger in the Switch. Iwata absolutely was the right person for the job. There is a reason Yamauchi hand picked Iwata as his successor & not say Kimishima. There was frankly no one else who would have made the decisions he did after the GC failing
- The marketing wasn’t the only reason for Wii succeeding. Much like the Switch I thought it was going to be a smash hit due to how focused the product & Nintendo was at that point
- Sony was never going to capitalize on the missteps of the 3DS. They weee complacent after the PSP & increasing Western leadership viewed the Vita with complete disinterest.
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With components being scarce, rising costs and Nintendo putting all their eggs in one basket it’s only natural.
Despite everything Nintendo wants to offer their system for a competitive price and that seems the biggest hurdle for them. But I’m suspecting that even with a higher price point will bite, especially when it’s a Switch 2
Despite everything Nintendo wants to offer their system for a competitive price and that seems the biggest hurdle for them. But I’m suspecting that even with a higher price point will bite, especially when it’s a Switch 2
Simba1
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From GC to Wii is probably easiest and most successful.
Simba1
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Transition from Switch to Switch 2 should be one of easiest for Nintendo,
same concept (hybrid), same tech Nvidia/ARM and very similar dev tools.
Also, this points that probably next Nintendo hardware will be posinting like Switch 2 not like Switch Pro,
but with continues support and cross gen games for current Switch models for at least 2 years after Switch 2 launch.
same concept (hybrid), same tech Nvidia/ARM and very similar dev tools.
Also, this points that probably next Nintendo hardware will be posinting like Switch 2 not like Switch Pro,
but with continues support and cross gen games for current Switch models for at least 2 years after Switch 2 launch.
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SiG
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Nintendo wouldn’t be Nintendo if they played things by the book. It’s the thinking outside the box ideas that have always drawn people in, and I honestly don’t think they would’ve come back swinging without the entire concept of the Wii, and by entire concept, I meant Virtual Console, Channels, accessibility and all.
Iwata was right to take a different approach that past generation, seeing how both Sony and Microsoft were basically cannibalizing their markets while Nintendo aimed at an entirely new segment altogether.
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Oliver-1984
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I can’t speak about the docks made after the year 2017, but like I said, every unit in our family shows marks on the bezels. And on the same position on the back of the consoles too. And it’s very easy to make things worse, if you are plugging the Switch at an angle into the dock. For a company, that was this concerned about the youngest costumers in the past (Size and durability of GameCube discs), that was quite the blunder. Same with the wrist straps, if you made the mistake and attached them to the wrong JoyCon… All in all this paints a picture of a very rushed launch. Or a company with lowered quality standards. Hope I am wrong with the last assumption.
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YolkFolk
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I was thinking success to success.
Reducing the concept of Switch to “a handheld with HDMI out” is equal parts reductive and heavily influenced by hindsight bias. Sure the Switch at is core is similar to a tablet with a display port, but it’s the finer details that really matter here: Dock design, detachable controllers, optimizing HW capability to allow “console-like” games while not being heavy and having acceptable battery life portably (and a mass market price), seemless switching between modes of play, and (biggest of all) successfully marketing the hybrid concept to a wide audience.
Also, people (for the most part) only speculated that Nintendo may pursue a “hybrid” console/handheld concept due to early leaks. Additionally, many were highly skeptical that a hybrid device could even work - I remember how alien the concept of “detachable controllers” was at the time, and the only compatible 2017-era tablets from a HW perspective were very expensive.
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Nintendo has to be extra careful man.
One on hand, they have their best 3rd party support since the DS, even big dawgs like Activision and EA are moving games to Switch. This means playing it safe would be a beneficial option to try and keep most 3rd parties on the next platform
On the other hand, is an iterative model enough for people to go out and purchase a new Switch en masse?
Is good software enough? Will we get another Wii U?
Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z.
One on hand, they have their best 3rd party support since the DS, even big dawgs like Activision and EA are moving games to Switch. This means playing it safe would be a beneficial option to try and keep most 3rd parties on the next platform
On the other hand, is an iterative model enough for people to go out and purchase a new Switch en masse?
Is good software enough? Will we get another Wii U?
Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z.
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Would be hilarious if not. After all the hemming and hawing about how Nintendo is hurting themselves with their outdated hardware (see the recent thread on Nintendo making a powerful console) if it turned out that the console that didn't cater to the tech bros underperformed.
I'll buy it of course. Not going to complain about a more powerful Switch as long as they don't compromise of the Switch's strengths to achieve it.
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Switch OLED was a 50$ price increase , with no new software/better performance and it has been a huge success for Nintendo. People will buy a more powerful Switch with exclusive software if the price doesnt get too expensive.
