StarTopic Nintendo General Discussion |ST5 Feb. 2022| Xenodelayed Chronicles 3

[Nathan Little]

I don't see a scenario where Nintendo delays the most anticipated game of all time just to give space to a 2D Dk game that will sell far less than Zelda would. If Zelda gets delayed it's for quality and development reasons, not to give space to an announced game that may or may not exist.

You might be right about a 2D DK, but a 3D DK? That's absolutely a possibility imo.

 

[TurtleRock]

You might be right about a 2D DK, but a 3D DK? That's absolutely a possibility imo.

Absolutely not. Not even for a 3D DK game.

 

[Marce-chan]

I like how Kosuke Yabuki last twitter acivity was retweeting when MinMin came to Smash (June 2020), then nothing and 2 days aga he just retweeted when Booster Course Pass was announced. I guess when EPD9 game is ready his twitter is ready too.

I might seem too optimistic but I kinda feel like the Mario Kart DLC makes up for another release by them, be it an ARMS sequel or a new IP or revival. Even if they only worked on Mario Kart Tour from 2017 to 2019 that still leaves 2020-2023, and I highly doubt a studio that has put something like Mario Kart 8 in less than 2.5 years would work solely on porting Tour courses to 8 Deluxe for 3 years.

 

[Nathan Little]

Absolutely not. Not even for a 3D DK game.

I mean, why not? An EPD developed 3D DK will be huge.

 

[frog]

May is wide open for a Pokemon spinoff and/or first Legends Arceus expansion that Nintendo probably hopes will bury the bad 1-2 Switch sequel

 

[Marce-chan]

Or to be honest even a new 2D Mario game (but not a New 2D Mario game) would fit that slot well

I agree with that as well. I'm super sure we aren't gonna be more than 10 years without a 2D Mario(maker is its own thing) for nothing. When it comes back, it's gonna be a triumphant return like New was after 14 years from World. It being a 2D take on Galaxy/Odyssey/3D World is my bet. ACTUAL 2.5D, unique mechanics, while also having chaotic multiplayer.

 

[LukasManak22]

I might seem too optimistic but I kinda feel like the Mario Kart DLC makes up for another release by them, be it an ARMS sequel or a new IP or revival. Even if they only worked on Mario Kart Tour from 2017 to 2019 that still leaves 2020-2023, and I highly doubt a studio that has put something like Mario Kart 8 in less than 2.5 years would work solely on porting Tour courses to 8 Deluxe for 3 years.

Absolutely, here are hopes that we will see their game at E3. As for what it will be i have no idea. Nintendogs? ARMS2? Old ip return? New ip? There are so many possiblities. ARMS sequel would be cool but not really for me. ARMS sold great for a fightning game with and new ip but this team can pull out big numbers and we are talking 10m+ as a lowest point.

 

[TurtleRock]

I mean, why not? An EPD developed 3D DK will be huge.

Shuntaro Furukawa enters the board meeting with a pitch to the investors.

"Gentlemen, I'm here to announce that Zelda is completed. We planned to release the game this November to capitalize on the holiday sales. However, we are going to delay it in order to slot in a 3D Donkey Kong game in it's place. I understand that Zelda will not benefit from the momentum of the holiday shopping period but this 3D Donkey Kong will benefit from the exposure. It won't sell as much as Zelda but I believe this ok."

The investors stare at Furukawa in disbelief. One person finally gets the courage to speak up.

"I would like file a motion to dismiss Mr. Furukawa from his position as president of Nintendo..."

 

[Marce-chan]

You might be right about a 2D DK, but a 3D DK? That's absolutely a possibility imo.

I don't think delaying the most anticipated game of the generation and probably the most expensive game to develop Nintendo ever made(alongside or not far behind Smash, MP4 and Animal Crossing New Horizons) would be an option even for 3D Mario. Zelda will be delayed if it's not ready, not to give room to any of the H2 titles to breath. It doesn't mean a new DK couldn't release in Q4 alongside Zelda. Those are marginally different games. SMP released the same holiday season as Smash and will sell 20m+ when all is said and done. Ring Fit and Luigi's Mansion 3 released the same holiday season as Pokémon and both are 10-15m sellers. Either 2D or 3D DK can release this year and sell an amazing never saw before 12m+ units, but you just don't delay the 20m+ Zelda just so it achieves it faster. It's like saying Nintendo should've delayed Pokemon BDSP for the the triumphant return of Metroid.

 

[storres]

I know is a fool's errand to try and guess Nintendo's moves, I just don't see Nintendo saying " I know you are all enthusiastic to play Zelda, but we have this instead." I think at this point, not even a 3D Mario can get people as excited as BOTW2.

 

[Dark Cloud]

The only thing delaying BotW 2 is itself

 

[Marce-chan]

May is wide open for a Pokemon spinoff and/or first Legends Arceus expansion that Nintendo probably hopes will bury the bad 1-2 Switch sequel

I think May bodes well for both maybe Detective Pikachu 2(reveal in a Pokémon Presents) and Everybody Switch.
Maybe they go the 2017 route and have nothing on may and leave this month for big third party games or maybe they publish a game in the west that's not announced yet.

 

[Marce-chan]

Absolutely, here are hopes that we will see their game at E3. As for what it will be i have no idea. Nintendogs? ARMS2? Old ip return? New ip? There are so many possiblities. ARMS sequel would be cool but not really for me. ARMS sold great for a fightning game with and new ip but this team can pull out big numbers and we are talking 10m+ as a lowest point.

Switch alongside heavyweight core games is seeing the return of successful Wii/DS casual games, so... Nintendogs surely seems like something Nintendo will try again. How big it'll be on the Switch tho? I'm sure it won't be the 20m+ monster it was on the DS. Nintendogs seems like the safest bet actually.

I think an old ip revival is super difficult to predict. F Zero hopefully, maybe Nintendo is satisfied with their megaton of the generation and allow them to work on minor sellers alongside add on content for Tour and 8 Deluxe.

 

[Magic-Man]

While I don't see Zelda being delayed for next year, the franchise is at a very healthy stage where it releasing next year wouldn't hurt it much.

DK, on the other hand, does much better releasing during the holidays as evident by the release of both Tropical Freeze games. Past games were always release during the holidays, and they always did exceptionally well. TF broke that mold, and judging from the sales of it, Nintendo didn't do that game any favors.

I don't know, I can see a scenario where they delay Zelda to give DK that space. as small as that chance is.

Nintendo won't delay any games currently dated unless absolutely necessary. Especially not so that they can put another game in it's place. If BOTW2 gets delayed, it won't be because of DK or 3D Mario or 2D Mario, it'll be because BOTW2 isn't ready.

EDIT: Also, a delay would piss off the shareholders, so they'll avoid that at all costs.

 

[Nathan Little]

Shuntaro Furukawa enters the board meeting with a pitch to the investors.

"Gentlemen, I'm here to announce that Zelda is completed. We planned to release the game this November to capitalize on the holiday sales. However, we are going to delay it in order to slot in a 3D Donkey Kong game in it's place. I understand that Zelda will not benefit from the momentum of the holiday shopping period but this 3D Donkey Kong will benefit from the exposure. It won't sell as much as Zelda but I believe this ok."

The investors stare at Furukawa in disbelief. One person finally gets the courage to speak up.

"I would like file a motion to dismiss Mr. Furukawa from his position as president of Nintendo..."

Before BotW came out, Zelda and DK were practically neck and neck with each other in terms of sales. If a 3D DK has a huge scope, then I'm sure Nintendo would want to capitalize on that to it's fullest before their next big Mario game comes out, assuming Mario is coming next year. The fact we don't know about the next big Mario game kinda makes me think this is best as any for a new DK release. Because if DK is having to revolve around Mario, it will probably never release lol.

Of course, this is all coming from someone who isn't exactly crazily anticipating the new Zelda at the moment. Like I said before, I don't think Zelda will be delayed at all. Tbh, I'm mostly throwing shit in the wind to help pass the time lol.

 

[Galgavias]

I really don't want to think about the hit to my free time if Nintendo release Xenobalde 3, BOTW 2 and a new FE within 3 months of each other...I mean my God I want to socialise with real people sometime dammit

 

[Dark Cloud]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

 

[NabiscoFelt]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

I will will it into an August release since that'll be the best time for me, probably.

But most likely if it's not delayed out of this year it'll be sometime in August or afterwards, maybe taking the December slot

 

[Cyrus]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

I’m feeling October. The switch has had a Mario game every October since its launch. It’s probably just a coincidence, but October just feels right

 

[Supreme Overlord]

I wonder if the reason why they haven't revealed the new DK yet is because it's 3D and they don't want it stepping on the toes of Kirby and vice versa.

That sounds reasonable, keeping the focus on one big game and waiting to announce another until later. Could also be that it's not quite too where they want to announce it in general, or the schedule is just really full and they have to make these decisions. Just trying to focus attention seems plausible, though.

I would kill for a DK RPG with no Rabbids.

Donkey and Diddy: K. Rools Inside Story

A DK RPG has crossed my mind before, yeah, though Donkey and Diddy is a different take than I would figure. The Kongs do have the cast for something like this, and the villains, hints at a broader world, and workability for new characters. There are a lot of ways that could go.

Pfft, even focus on Cranky Kong and give us a game with the Rare geriatric star.

 

[Mbolibombo]

Unless I understood it completely wrong, DLSS is just an upscaling trick to get games up to 4K, isn't it? Since it's not actually native 4K, and considering all the components and portability of the Switch, I think it's doable.. but still, I suggested a toggle because I don't think Nintendo can improve battery life much more anyway, and if they do, they'd save that point for next hybrid system.

A new pair of JoyCons is also wishful thinking, I suppose; but that also would need to be compatible with older Switch models.

For DLSS to be added the internals in the current Switch need to be changed, cant just add it to the current SoC. Which is why I am hesitant to believe they would make a much more advanced Switch system at the tale end of it's lifespan when it's already sold 125M+ units.

 

[WhyS]

I'm listening to the Nate the Hate podcast, and I have a bone to pick with him. At this point in the podcast, he implies that Sunshine has more redeeming qualities than Chrono Cross, and is therefore the better game. However, in the Direct Speculation thread, he said that Sunshine was worse. Well, what is it Mr. Nathaniel Hate, if that is your real name, which it isn't?????

 

[Lintendo]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

I heard it will launch around August like the first Game.

 

[rickyson33]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

now there's something not seeing has made me pretty skeptical will come out this year

hopefully that ends up being wrong

 

[Nathan Little]

Nintendo won't delay any games currently dated unless absolutely necessary. Especially not so that they can put another game in it's place. If BOTW2 gets delayed, it won't be because of DK or 3D Mario or 2D Mario, it'll be because BOTW2 isn't ready.

I was going into this discussion from the mindset that these two possibilities would go hand in hand.

 

[HockeyBird]

I'm listening to the Nate the Hate podcast, and I have a bone to pick with him. At this point in the podcast, he implies that Sunshine has more redeeming qualities than Chrono Cross, and is therefore the better game. However, in the Direct Speculation thread, he said that Sunshine was worse. Well, what is it Mr. Nathaniel Hate, if that is your real name, which it isn't?????

How can we trust someone with Nintendo leaks when they can't even be consistent with their own shitposts?

 

[Brawlz]

I'm listening to the Nate the Hate podcast, and I have a bone to pick with him. At this point in the podcast, he implies that Sunshine has more redeeming qualities than Chrono Cross, and is therefore the better game. However, in the Direct Speculation thread, he said that Sunshine was worse. Well, what is it Mr. Nathaniel Hate, if that is your real name, which it isn't?????

 

[Vantell]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

2023. I think Ubisoft has some issues.

 

[Mr_No_U]

I'm listening to the Nate the Hate podcast, and I have a bone to pick with him. At this point in the podcast, he implies that Sunshine has more redeeming qualities than Chrono Cross, and is therefore the better game. However, in the Direct Speculation thread, he said that Sunshine was worse. Well, what is it Mr. Nathaniel Hate, if that is your real name, which it isn't?????

This cannot stand

 

[Catalyst]

To be honest I don’t think release month makes a difference in terms of sales these days. I mean, January has often been stereotyped as the worst time to release things but now look at Arceus…

They’re not going to delay Zelda just because of a vague idea that DK sells better in the holidays.

 

[Magic-Man]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

Assuming Nate is right about the dev troubles, I can see it coming in November or maybe even December. I see the H2 schedule going like this:

July: Live A Live, Mario Kart DLC, Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak (not Nintendo published, but still a pretty big deal for them. It opened up the September Direct after all)

August: Splatoon 3

September: Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Pokemon Legends Arceus DLC, Nintendo Switch Sports Golf

October: Metroid Prime Remake, Mario Kart DLC, Bayonetta 3

November: Breath of the Wild 2, Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope

 

[Josh5890]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

Going into the year, I thought July/August. Now I can see it being 2023 unless Ubisoft surprises us.

 

[pinkpunk]

What about Mario + Rabbids? When does everyone think it will release?

Originally I was thinking August 2022 but at this point? March 2023, right at the end of the fiscal year.

 

[LukasManak22]

The date is March 3rd 2022, you wake up and you will see a new trailer for BOTW2 has just dropped. Would be kinda neat.

 

[Suswave]

wait did anybody else know that Pokémon Legends Arceus has motion controls?!

 

[Red Monster]

Banjo Kazooie is now completed 100% and Grunty is dead under that rock. Praise be to save states and the guide I used. It’s a great game, but it really starts to bog down hard after Mad Monster Mansion.

Finally, I can play Legends Arceus.

 

[LoneRanger]

don’t know if these was discussed before

but apparently cod warzone could be announced and release this year. Switch version incoming ?? Possible at E3?

 

[Legion of Primes]

Pokémon legends arceus main story is done. What a very good game.

Beaten it while still having a headache. Not letting those damn things ruin my fun today

 

[Formula Zero]

Switch alongside heavyweight core games is seeing the return of successful Wii/DS casual games, so... Nintendogs surely seems like something Nintendo will try again. How big it'll be on the Switch tho? I'm sure it won't be the 20m+ monster it was on the DS. Nintendogs seems like the safest bet actually.

I think an old ip revival is super difficult to predict. F Zero hopefully, maybe Nintendo is satisfied with their megaton of the generation and allow them to work on minor sellers alongside add on content for Tour and 8 Deluxe.

If a Switch Pro is planned to release this year or early next year , I can see Nintendo giving F Zero a final shot and releasing a new game in the Switch Pro release window to give the game a boost similar to Metroid dread, not a launch title obviously but close enough

F Zero only chance imo is whether the MK team were working on a new game beside Tour, and is it F Zero

I think the MK team have it in them to give F-Zero a final shot, especially when there's no better time to do it, but if they're serious about pushing ARMS to be more successful then that's a different case

 

[Nathan Little]

To be honest I don’t think release month makes a difference in terms of sales these days. I mean, January has often been stereotyped as the worst time to release things but now look at Arceus…

They’re not going to delay Zelda just because of a vague idea that DK sells better in the holidays.

No, but they will delay it for Stinky Horse.

 

[Skittzo]

wait did anybody else know that Pokémon Legends Arceus has motion controls?!

Yeah I thankfully read about them in a tweet before I got the game.

 

[Legion of Primes]

No, but they will delay it for Stinky Horse.

I approve this post

 

[Marce-chan]

don’t know if these was discussed before

but apparently cod warzone could be announced and release this year. Switch version incoming ?? Possible at E3?

Imagine CoD Warzone Mobile announced for iOS/Android and Switch. It's probably a turn back for core gamers that the version coming to Switch is a mobile one, at the same time, mobile market is huge, I think Genshin Impact, CoD Mobile, PUBG Mobile and Fortnite are among the most played games in the world, releasing them on the Switch is a no brainer. Cross play with Switch and mobile is a huge deal.

 

[Supreme Overlord]

I do think that, if your vision of classic Nintendo is based on N64/GC software and you weren't into portables, there's two areas in Nintendo's line up which i could see being an issue:

- Rare's output. From the mid 90s to the early 2000s, Rare provided 2D and 3D platformers, first and third person shooters, a racing game, a beat em up, and an action adventure game. No single Nintendo studio provides that diversity today outside of EPD.Some of that is simple logistics and the way the games industry has evolved. Individual studios big enough to make multiple large scale games in very different genres are very er, rare these days.

Greater investment in Retro and Next Level especially might help with this area - Retro have made excellent first-person adventure games and excellent 2D platformers; it's just a shame whatever happened post Tropical Freeze has railroaded them for a time. Next Level's output is spread over a longer period than Rare, but they've covered Mario Strikers, Punch Out, Luigi's Mansion, and Federation Force. Genre and series variety again. If those two studios can handle a couple of games at a time, it would make a real difference.

Way back in the olden days, it did seem like Retro could be built up in this way, to the point where the studio was often referred to as the new Rareware. Clearly this hasn't happened, even beyond the obvious increased challenges of modern development.

Retro Studios and Next Level Games could really contribute a lot to this if built to handle a couple games at a time (outsourcing, yes, is almost guaranteed to be included). I'm not going to expect either of these studios to reach the output levels of RareWare at its height, and wouldn't necessarily ask for that, but a bit of a bump would make a big difference. And probably help stem the outrage of wasted resources when they work on games other than what people expect.

NST, given its work on Bowser's Fury seems like it might also be gearing up.

- Racing games. Yeah, Rare helped here with Diddy Kong Racing and Mickey's Speedway Racing, but across N64 and GC Nintendo also shipped 2 installments of Mario Kart, F Zero, Wave Race, and 1080. It's harder to see where new games in all these franchises come from; likely it would require external collaboration and Nintendo finding the right partner.

Edit - forgot the Excite series. Forgiveness please.

There are still areas where Nintendo make multiple different games in each genre, so it is a shame they don't do that with racing. A bunch of genres have multiple representation on Switch:

[...]

But if you think about RPGs, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade are each very different to one another, for example. I'd argue this is the same for Kart, Wave Race, 1080, Excite, and F Zero. Each represents a meaningfully different experience in the same genre.

Of course, the huge caveat here is there's a very simple reason we don't get those games but we do get others: all those other genres have fixed development arrangements. But I'd really like to see Nintendo secure more resources for other genres and franchises.

The lack of additional, but wildly different, racing games is an interesting oversight, but, yeah, the question of development groups and other priorities would probably be the primary factor here.

I would definitely agree that different racing games will have different focuses and ways of handling the racing experience. Mario Kart and F-Zero, for instance, are galaxies apart, and that's not going into how different those are from games like Excite Truck or even that compared to Excite Bots or the rest of the Excite! series.

I present again the outlandish idea of

F-Zero, Hyper Stylish Racing Action Game developed by Platinum Games

 

[LukasManak22]

To feel you old i had to inforrm you that 3D World + Bowser's Fury released exactly one year ago today.

 

[Skittzo]

To feel you old i had to inforrm you that 3D World + Bowser's Fury released exactly one year ago today.

What makes me feel old is the knowledge that my firstborn was in size 5 diapers when the pandemic started, and now my second kid born during the pandemic is starting to wear size 4 diapers.

Old and depressed.

 

[Legion of Primes]

To feel you old i had to inforrm you that 3D World + Bowser's Fury released exactly one year ago today.

It came out at a time where my headaches were at an all time high. Had to pass on this ans several early 2021 games for a while. I did t eventually get it and beaten it before dread came out

 

[Skittzo]

My 4 year old has been living in a pandemic longer than she had lived in a normal world.



Not that a normal world was ever really a thing

 

[Josh5890]

To feel you old i had to inforrm you that 3D World + Bowser's Fury released exactly one year ago today.

A year ago today, literally the only Nintendo games announced for Switch was New Pokemon Snap and the endless waits (Prime, Zelda, Bayo, Detective Pikachu). Since then, Nintendo has announced quite a bit.

 

[Catalyst]

A year ago today, literally the only Nintendo games announced for Switch was New Pokemon Snap and the endless waits (Prime, Zelda, Bayo, Detective Pikachu). Since then, Nintendo has announced quite a bit.

We were still in the dark ages of no Direct and no announcements for games longer than 3 months away.