As I believe I said, I've asked him about this 550MHz directly, and his answer was that he simply decided to use half the clock that he went with at 1.1GHz. This was also all before taking into account Ada power efficiency features too, which should improve the power curve. I'm not saying 660MHz is the most efficient clock for Switch 2 when portable BTW, I'm suggesting that Nintendo and Nvidia decided on targeting 660MHz based on tests done almost a year before there were even engineering samples. That's why these can't be stress tests either mind you, these clocks have nothing to stress, these are performance tests with estimated power consumptions, but based on Thraktor's own post we've been talking about, is clearly within reason, not directly on the most efficient spot of the power curve, but within their budget for GPU power consumption.
100% sure he didn't say he just used double clock for the 1,1ghz number? In the original post he explains in great length why 550 is the efficiency number.
Well we know it's not correct, as it doesn't take into account Ada's power efficiency that Drake inherited, but yeah, I'm fairly sure what he said, not that any point I'm trying to make is in conflict with that post.
@Thraktor 's post indeed makes the case why the optimal efficiency is somewhere around the range of 500-600 MHz. More precisely, he showed that 522 MHz has a higher performance-per-Watt than 420 MHz and than 624 MHz, and therefore the peak is likely somewhere between those two. I'm not sure if his post was able to show that peak efficiency was necessarily close to 550 MHz, rather than let's say 500 MHz or 520 MHz or 480 MHz.
I think that with modern games, the console will target 1080p-1440p, obviously reconstructed with DLSS. In particular, I think 1440p will be a very popular resolution. Then depending on the games, we will see if 30 or 60 fps. However, I don't think we will go below 1080p on TV. However graphically complex a game is, I think that in the worst-case scenario, the T239's capabilities will be adequate to handle a 540p -> 1080p. I expect that in the majority of cases, the starting internal resolution will be 720p/900p. We'll see, but either way, you don't have to worry about which TV to buy.
Then I'll chalk it up to either a typo or @Z0m3le misremembering. 1,1ghz got to have been the number where he just doubled.
Orin is 8nm, not 7.
There's no evidence the DLA would actually be efficient at accelerating DLSS, and we know it didn't make it to Drake. It's use is automotive functions.
As I've pointed out, that number isn't accurate when in context to Drake, it's at best accurate to Orin with drake's configuration on TSMC 4N, Drake has different features, and more importantly, it has different goals. If you look at any performance test for a gaming GPU on pc, you'll notice the clocks jump around, even on the Switch in the doom port, we know that the GPU clocks jump around, and we know Nintendo decided on a clock above the efficiency curve for 20nm TX1. Talking about someone else's intentions, isn't really what I'm trying to discuss, we know the clocks for the GPU, Thraktor's post is educational and reasonable with its specifics, but it is not changing Nintendo and Nvidia's mind. It's simply understanding the hardware better.
My bad, I got confused for a minute.
Well, we know that a DLA is for:
These are the fundamental operations of the DLSS neural network as well, so there is reason to believe DLSS could benefit from it.
Fair enough, I thought that'd be the case. But it is nonetheless interesting to discuss whether it would be a useful feature for a Switch 3 or a Switch 2 Pro if one exists.
I agree. And in the end I personally don't care if the final clocks ends up being 640mhz, 550 mhz or whatever. The thing we all agree about, is that it's probably going to be somewhere in that ballpark. The specifics doesn't make a huge difference.
It makes no sense to assume they will prioritise efficiency in docked mode.
@Thraktor will you set the record straight?
The problem wasn't the 660MHz. The 550 is an estimate and chips don't have to use peak efficiency even if 550 was correct. 660 is totally possible.
Which of these are "definite" information from reliable sources and which are hopes/probably coming to Switch 2?
DLSS to 1080p is about half the framerate of DLLS to 1440P. So if those will be the common targets, 2X makes sense as a rough guess.
All the Sega stuff was Midori, a banned source was Sea of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush, Necro was Monster Hunter, a Nintendo employee who helps with third party relations was in the credits for BG3 and I'm the source for Red Dead
Sea of thieves is switch 2 bound?
I understand, thanks
Me either, brotha. Life sure is good here underneath the rock where I live
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Outside of the Sega/Atlus stuff... I don't think any of the others were rumored at all??
Not officially, but it's definitely strongly rumoured.
On top of my head:
Is it? I would say strongly speculated. Don't remember having seen any insiders talking about it.
strongly?
Ok so then it's no different than any of us speculating if it could come.
Take a look at this:
Eh, i would say he's more of a AMD leaker, not really good with Nvidia leak plus the recent ps5 pro leaked came from a leaked document which completely different than a word of mouth of 2 people who weren't really developing the tegra 239 chip. But maybe i'm wrong, because i haven't heard much of valid leaks from MLID
I dont know much about him in other area, but he is not reliable about Nintendo, especially for their hardware. His leak about NG make no sense in different way as this thread discussed.
I’ve been following him for a few years and I don’t know of a single leaker who is better than him across gaming or hardware.
The Nvidia leak and literal years of people doing math with its contents to come up with Switch 2's possible spec range is not exactly "hopium."
Yep.
The guy straight up fabricated an Intel GPU that by all accounts never seems to have existed. A stopped clock is right twice a day and all that, but he's just not a reliable source.
At the end of the day, nothing we have is gospel. It's all discussion and speculation.
