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Would’ve been announced on Pokémon Day. And it doesn’t make sense to release BW remakes so soon especially with Legend ZA happening
USUM was announced in June of the year released
Would’ve been announced on Pokémon Day. And it doesn’t make sense to release BW remakes so soon especially with Legend ZA happening
Yeah it's not the first time he's fucked with people however usually it's one of posts and he's been talking about unova games for over 6 months.Hasn’t Khu admitted to fucking with people? Like, apparently Khu did legitimately leak the code name for Legends: Z-A…but that’s it, and all the Unova stuff was just Khu fucking with everyone (or perhaps they only knew the code name and nothing else and had just assumed it would be Unova related, and after the reveal they tried to pass it all off as a “joke”).
I mean, Khu has basically admitted it:Yeah it's not the first time he's fucked with people however usually it's one of posts and he's been talking about unova games for over 6 months.
Atm I'm not really trusting anything he says until it gets verified however pyoro mentioning possible unova games definitely suggests khu might not have been completely lying
I mean, Khu has basically admitted it:
I've been wanting to try a Mystery dungeons game so I'd be down.Assuming we get anything Pokemon this year, could be Gen 6 HD Remasters?
Or a complete curveball like how Legends Z-A was and we'll be getting, not an Explorers of the Sky remake, but rather an entirely new original Mystery Dungeon game
Or Pokemon Warriors
I mean, Khu has basically admitted it:
LGPE wasn’t announced during the pokemon day too. And SWSH was officially announced at e3 2017 (without titles) before LGPE announcement and release.USUM was announced in June of the year released
Im just going off my sources. Pokemon games have not always been shown on pokemon day and legends ZA may not be early 2025.Would’ve been announced on Pokémon Day. And it doesn’t make sense to release BW remakes so soon especially with Legend ZA happening
TPC do not want to miss out on a holiday release. It has been in the works since BDSP and is being given more time to cook after the backlash from BDSP.It makes sense to announce PLZA at pokemon day and give to an outsourced remake a shorter marketing cicle imho.
After the BDSP backlash is plausible that they want to announce it when it's as polished as possible.
I don’t know if @Goopy Snail is reliable but I wouldn’t be surprised if TPC will release an outsourced project this fall (gen5, gen2 or a XY remaster).
I would agree with this point if the years that had mainline games announced outside Pokémon Day had a Pokémon Day Presentation (Pokémon Direct in this case).Im just going off my sources. Pokemon games have not always been shown on pokemon day and legends ZA may not be early 2025.
Having outsourced Unova remakes this early and sandwiched between gen 9 and gen 6 this year makes no sense at all.
The way TPC operates is that every mainline game is the spearhead of a bigger marketing campaign promoting that gen. They are always focusing on one gen, and everything is carefully coordinated. Right now we are still on their gen 9 era, anime is gen 9, TCG is gen 9, games (DLC) are gen 9. Next year, with PLZA, it will be gen 6.
Whenever they release a remake, they have another campaign focusing on that gen. They will have new Pokémon forms, an anime tie in, a TCG set, related merch etc.
If Unova remakes were coming, there would be all of that, and even if it was an outsourced game, there would be something made by GF as well because they want to have new Pokémon forms there. Sure, we only had one instance of an outsourced game so far, but that one tells us GF is incredibly conservative about outsourcing, they want to keep all creative efforts in house. BDSP had 0 new stuff, it was restricted to simply copying the original games 1:1. No new forms, no new characters, no new designs for the existing characters, they didn't even get new official artwork, which all previous remakes did. Instead they went with those hideous renders on the covers, the first time we ever had a mainline Pokémon game without hand drawn art on the cover.
Now, do you really think GF would waste an entire marketing push on gen 5, one of the most popular generations right now, on a single outsourced game without new designs and content they would use to sell merch and have tie ins on other media? Especially with PLZA already announced for next year which means they will inevitably start a marketing cycle focused on gen 6 then, mega evolution and all the inevitable new forms from that game with accompanying anime and TCG? Why would they waste Unova in such a terrible sandwiched slot, just to sell copies of the game? Yes, it would sell a lot of copies, but still a fraction of the revenue they usually have considering the multimedia thing.
That's just not how they operate, and I would be baffled to find otherwise.
TPC never makes sense. No one predicted Legends ZA. The only thing that you can guarantee on is they like to make money. They are not going to miss this holiday I can guarantee you that.Quoting myself from the other thread:
To be fair, the anime is pretty flexible in this regard nowadays. Both Journeys (the last series with Ash) and Horizons are world tour series where all regions are visited, regardless of what's currently being "promoted". They could go to Unova briefly and then Kalos and it wouldn't feel weird at all.I don't really understand why they'd move abruptly the marketing/anime stuff from gen 9 to gen 5 for a short time then to gen 6.
I think Pokémon X and Y remasters this year would make the most sense if they want so badly to have a holiday title because that one would be in line with the Legends game coming next year.
You haven't shown any proof of your sources.TPC never makes sense. No one predicted Legends ZA. The only thing that you can guarantee on is they like to make money. They are not going to miss this holiday I can guarantee you that.
TPC never makes sense.
Its what I have heard from multiple friends the industry. Not sure what I can show to prove it without jeopardising their careers. You will see soon enough anyways there will be a presents in a few months or so.You haven't shown any proof of your sources.
I don't buy it, but we’ll see I guess.Its what I have heard from multiple friends the industry. Not sure what I can show to prove it without jeopardising their careers. You will see soon enough anyways there will be a presents in a few months or so.
Legend Z-A may very well have been positioned as a 2024 year-end game and then shifted, especially based on the switch 2. Or not at all. We have no idea.TPC never makes sense. No one predicted Legends ZA. The only thing that you can guarantee on is they like to make money. They are not going to miss this holiday I can guarantee you that.
That was the only mainline game revealed that yearUSUM was announced in June of the year released
Strong points. Game sales are almost secondary to TPC at this point. Pokemon is a lifestyle brandQuoting myself from the other thread:
that damage buffed out quite quicklyIn 2022 they also damaged the brand with the bad state of SV at launch.
Did it?that damage buffed out quite quickly
no we don'tIt might be nothing, but we have to take it seriously as a real possibility.
yea, don't become the third best selling game in the series if it doesn'tDid it?
Exactly.that damage buffed out quite quickly
that damage buffed out quite quickly
If Nintendo acknowledges on social media that they are taking 'seriously the players feedback', it means they feel the release of SV damaged the brand imho.Exactly.
Sword/Shield, BDSP, Legends Arceus, and Scarlet/Violet have proved multiple times over that the core Pokemon crowd will show up no matter what. All of those releases were maligned by the larger gaming community for one reason or another (yes, even PLA).
To the people who are actually buying the games, I do not think they consider the brand damaged. I still see casual fans (the not terminally online) recommending BDSP as a fun traditional Pokemon game.
That would be like saying last year's COD that bombed critically damaged the COD brand. Of course it didn't. It was the second best selling game of last year.
Well, Nintendo doesn't develop mainline Pokemon and nothing ever came to ScVi patch-wise to fix the frame rate, so I'm not so sure they actually did anything with our feedback lol.If Nintendo acknowledges on social media that they are taking 'seriously the players feedback', it means they feel the release of SV damaged the brand imho.
Honestly, I don't recall Nintendo admitting problems with a game they've published.
However, it wasn't the main focus of the post
I just don't really think that the brand is damaged in such a way that it will have a major effect sales.
one would expect better optimization next time around, yea. but that doesn't constitute as "brand damage" as most people use it (which is in regards to sales)Nah, like the “dexit” didn’t damage SwSh ( ;D ) but with SV and Nintendo tweet (was also discussed during a Q&A with investors) seemed to me that something could change this time (for the better hopefully!).
They almost certainly made more money from BDSP than LA. Roughly the same number of units sold on a fraction of the budgetI think something is in the works but idk if it's unova, bdsp's reception was pretty negative but it sold as much as legends arceus so i feel like the solution would be to improve them than just completely scrap them
In branding there's something called goodwill. This word means intangible value that a business builds over time through its reputation, customer loyalty, and brand recognition. As you saw there, reputation, customer loyalty and brand recognition are essential to the concept of goodwill, and goodwill is paramount for a brand. If another Pokemon Scarlet Version and Violet Version type of scenario were to happen with the Pokemon brand, then:but that doesn't constitute as "brand damage" as most people use it (which is in regards to sales)
We didn't have Pokémon Presents back then, the Pokémon Directs weren't necessarily on anniversaries iircUSUM was announced in June of the year released
Imo its pretty clear they mainly wanted to reveal/launch the pocket card game and felt they couldnt do it without a full game announcement so they announced Z-A pretty early - if they had something sooner they would have announced it imoWe didn't have Pokémon Presents back then, the Pokémon Directs weren't necessarily on anniversaries iirc
Pretty sure Pyoro only has info on games being listed at the eShop, that's why they would never leak something like Z-A.BW are not happening this year, period.
Khu was full of shit, he probably had no info about PLZA so he placed his bets on Unova remakes because everyone was hyping themselves about them, but they were never happening. Took a shot, missed.
Also gonna take a wild guess here and say Pyoro has no sources on Pokémon at all, and in fact, no sources on anything that isn't getting announced imminently. We have no reason to believe otherwise.
this. If they plan to release a Remake this year, why would they announce the Legends game planned to release next year instead of the remake releasing this year? Wouldn't it make sense to market the remake first if they plan to release it this Novemeber or December? They are not giving the remeake just two or three months of marketing and than go back to Legends.Imo its pretty clear they mainly wanted to reveal/launch the pocket card game and felt they couldnt do it without a full game announcement so they announced Z-A pretty early - if they had something sooner they would have announced it imo