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Everyone knows the best songs in Disney movies are the villain songs. What’s your favorite?
You can really imagine Disney suits seeing bits of the movie at times and being like "oh god this is too intense and heavy we need some stupid jokey mascots STAT"Hellfire, and Hunchback is the best Disney Renaissance movie apart from those dang goyles
When you look at most other villain songs, it's basically the villain doing their version of an "I Want" song: Scar wants to be King, Ursula wants Ariel's voice, etc. It's the villain laying out their stall for what they want, in a fairly straightforward way, to propel the plot.
Hellfire goes way beyond this. While, yes, Frollo is singing about wanting Esmeralda, the song itself is him questioning how his faith and conviction have still led him to sinful thoughts. He's using the song as a vehicle to examine and then justify his own damnation to Hell:- he's tried being just and pure, and it's still led him to the same destination, so he may as well use his position to get what he desires, even if it costs him his immortal soul. The actual wanting of Esmeralda is just a smaller part of a bigger song dealing with really heavy themes of choice, consequence and damnation.
A Great Mouse Detective reference out in the wild? Why, this is a thing unheard of! ... I was going to mention it in some context recently but never did. What was that for?If I was gonna be honest with myself, hellfire. But if I wanna lie to myself, it’s gotta be the song the sing for Ratigan in the great mouse detective. It’s just the perfect mix of being menacing, goofy, and catchy
Nobody appreciates the great mouse detective enough. It’s not Disney’s most impactful movie by any stretch of the word, but I honestly think it’s the most entertaining movie they ever made. The characters are consistently incredible, the animation slaps, the art style is amazing, it’s perfectly paced, and Ratigan is SOOOO GOOD. Can you believe the made a sequel to the rescuers instead of great mouse detective? InsaneAs soon as I saw the thread title, the answer was obvious: Hellfire!
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A Great Mouse Detective reference out in the wild? Why, this is a thing unheard of! ... I was going to mention it in some context recently but never did. What was that for?
"The World's Greatest Criminal Mind" is a delightfully dark piece to make sure you know exactly who you're [Read: Basil] dealing with, though. I couldn't say it's the best villain song, but I'm glad you mentioned it.
It's been ages since I've seen that movie though, so maybe it's time to check it out again. Almost surprising they never made follow-ups; a Sherlock Holmes sort of setup lends itself well to that. I wonder if the originating children's book series is any good.
Vincent Price as Ratigan is incredible and I've always loved The Great Mouse Detective, it's so underrated. I wonder if it being just before the 'renaissance' started makes people not give it the attention it deserves. Ratigan even has two villain songs in it, sort of! He gets the classic villain song with The World's Greatest Criminal Mind, but also has Goodbye, So Soon which gets to play just to taunt the heroes as his diabolic death trap gets ready to kill them. And that final fight in the clocktower is so good too.Nobody appreciates the great mouse detective enough. It’s not Disney’s most impactful movie by any stretch of the word, but I honestly think it’s the most entertaining movie they ever made. The characters are consistently incredible, the animation slaps, the art style is amazing, it’s perfectly paced, and Ratigan is SOOOO GOOD. Can you believe the made a sequel to the rescuers instead of great mouse detective? Insane
From the brain that brought you the Big Ben Caper,
The head that made headlines in every newspaper,
By scampering up, and tampering with,
And hampering time and becoming a myth,
When these dark and devilish urges guide me,
This cruel and unusual gift that's inside me
Does wondrous things like the Tower Bridge Job,
The cunning display that made Londoners sob:
Picking them off one by one —
Kicking them off just for fun —
Such privilege, my view from the bridge
As all of them bobbed and sank;
But now this matchless plot I've been hatching 's
A much more unnatural prank!
I saw it as a kid and all the adult stuff went riiiiiiiight over my head, so I guess they were right to put those bloody gargoyles in it. Conversely it was one of the more forgettable Disney movies until I rewatched it as an adult.You can really imagine Disney suits seeing bits of the movie at times and being like "oh god this is too intense and heavy we need some stupid jokey mascots STAT"
This is one of those songs where I almost, almost prefer the remake, if only because it uses the incredible extended lyrics by Howard Ashman that were always bloody hilarious. It loses in the coreography department for me, but as a song I almost prefer it over the original.As much as I appreciate menace and gravitas, I have to admit, I’m the lone Gaston vote here. I have a real soft spot for a villain who is just a dipshit.
The Great Mouse Detective is so good. I was obsessed with it as a kid, haha. The whole vibe of the movie is just perfect, and I always loved the voice work--especially Vincent Price.Vincent Price as Ratigan is incredible and I've always loved The Great Mouse Detective, it's so underrated. I wonder if it being just before the 'renaissance' started makes people not give it the attention it deserves. Ratigan even has two villain songs in it, sort of! He gets the classic villain song with The World's Greatest Criminal Mind, but also has Goodbye, So Soon which gets to play just to taunt the heroes as his diabolic death trap gets ready to kill them. And that final fight in the clocktower is so good too.