Ok... that ITV debate between Rishi and Starmer was bad. Both were pretty bad at it. Rishi was way too rude and spoke over the host over and over again and Starmer couldn't articulate his points in a timely manner.
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Discussion UK: General Election called for 4th of July
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The 45 second format is terrible. I want to hear how our two major party's leaders will lead the country, not a sequence of shouted tweets.
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Reform UK pulls to within two points of Tories in latest YouGov poll
The exclusive survey for Sky News puts Labour on 40%, the Tories on 19% and Reform on 17%.
Reform got within 2 points of the tories in a you gov poll following farage being made leader. Not too late for them to tank but at this point you can barely call them a protest vote for the Tories. They have a real chance of replacing them. As if things couldn't get more depressing.
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Not exactly great news but vote share paints a very incomplete picture under FPTP. Is that share concentrated in constituencies they can realistically win or is it too diffuse for them to really make major gains? Traditionally vote share for UKIP/Reform has not translated into equivalent seats.Reform UK pulls to within two points of Tories in latest YouGov poll
The exclusive survey for Sky News puts Labour on 40%, the Tories on 19% and Reform on 17%.news.sky.com
Reform got within 2 points of the tories in a you gov poll following farage being made leader. Not too late for them to tank but at this point you can barely call them a protest vote for the Tories. They have a real chance of replacing them. As if things couldn't get more depressing.
They won't replace the Tories, at least not in this election, and I think the real risk they pose is that the Tories move further right to try and take that vote back, becoming increasingly Trumpian under some danger like Braverman.
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The kind of ignorance that thinks a far right vote and attacking everyone else is the way out of economic disparity following 14 years of Tory rule and shooting themselves in the foot with Brexit, is a special kind of ignorance. One that not only doesn’t learn lessons, but refuses to, and doesn’t want anyone else to aspire for anything beyond despair and small-minded bullshit either.Reform UK pulls to within two points of Tories in latest YouGov poll
The exclusive survey for Sky News puts Labour on 40%, the Tories on 19% and Reform on 17%.
Reform got within 2 points of the tories in a you gov poll following farage being made leader. Not too late for them to tank but at this point you can barely call them a protest vote for the Tories. They have a real chance of replacing them. As if things couldn't get more depressing.
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This is all true but if the result of the election ends up being say labour 40 tory 20 reform 15 then bigoted and (crypto)fascist voters will be more confident they don't need to defect to tories in 2029 even if it is a more competitive election and so could launch a genuine campaign to win not to move the tories to the right as they have been doing for decades. And if that campaign goes well enough that it flips so reform are ahead of the tories it'll be reform gaining seats with the Tories struggling to get any. And if Starmer and co. fail to deliver any change for the good there is a possibility people might just try anything especially if there remains no viable left wing alternative two elections down the line.
So yeah I wasn't saying they're going to replace them this time but they could get a result good enough to replace them in the next few years. I sincerely hope they don't and they collapse to sub 10 though.
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Sunak- leaves D-Day remembrance event early to record self-serving election interview.
Also Sunak- ‘stop the boats crossing the channel’.
Also Sunak- ‘stop the boats crossing the channel’.
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A rehash of previous election campaign trail gaffes. I still remember the ‘Boris hides from the press in a fridge’ one
www.theguardian.com
‘Bigoted woman’ and fridge-hiding: a history of election gaffes after Sunak’s D-day disaster
Prime minister is not the first party leader to make bad decisions during the heat of a general election campaign
www.theguardian.com
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Today’s dose of Tory nonsense- candidates scrambling to scrub their social media of bizarre conspiracy theories
www.theguardian.com
‘Crank’ Tory candidates accused of sharing online conspiracy theories
Labour has expressed concerns about the calibre of would-be Tory MPs after a some shared outlandish views online
www.theguardian.com
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My head is in my hands at the situation in France today. After a massive loss to the far right in the European elections, Macron’s just dissolved parliament there and called a snap election. He’s literally gambling with France itself. Haven’t seen anything like it since Brexit. Did he see Cameron gamble with the soul of the nation and think that somehow ended well or something
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France has a hung parliament IIRC so I guess he believes he has nothing to lose. He's wrong, but y'know... that's how it goes.
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Yeah. His political career has nothing to lose. France itself has a hell of a lot if they end up with years of a far right majority.
My polling card has arrived.
New MRP poll.
As expected, the Tories' position is dire and places them only 16 seats ahead of the Liberal Democrats.
A 262 majority would be absolutely mindblowingly enormous, but a majority that large will probably be difficult to control so Keir Starmer has a huge task ahead of him in that regard.
This is the sort of result that will probably mean the Tories will campaign for a form of Proportional Representation which would be an interesting sight to see.
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see them do that while lurching even further right in an alliance with Reform in order to maintain some kind of viable (in terms of size) opposition under FPTP next time around. Which would just be bizarre.
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Postal vote arrived today. Voted for the green party candidate.
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Since my local Greens booted the terf and are standing a candidate who seems fairly pro-trans, my vote is pretty much locked in for them. The terf is actually standing as an independent though, hope she loses her deposit.
It'll be interesting, since my constituency is likely to remain Labour (it's not quite one of the big Green target seats), but the result might be close enough that I hope it sends a message to the Labour candidate about the kind of politics we expect her to champion in Parliament.
It'll be interesting, since my constituency is likely to remain Labour (it's not quite one of the big Green target seats), but the result might be close enough that I hope it sends a message to the Labour candidate about the kind of politics we expect her to champion in Parliament.
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What I find weird is that my local tory is likely still in with a reasonable chance of winning. But the Lib Dems have been out and about talking to people and shoving endless stuff through my letterbox (which, admittedly, is the usual collection of crap leaning on misleading statistics, but at least they are trying). Whereas the only thing we’ve heard from Toryboy is a hilariously misleading project fear leaflet pretending to be Labour at first glance before going full weirdo tory nonsense. Which just comes across with all the skill of a primary school class popularity contest. ‘A vote for anyone else is a vote for Starmer and a socialist post-apocalyptic forever wasteland!’. He doesn’t actually have any policies, as that would mean they could be taken apart (much like Rishi’s). So he’s leaning on ‘well Starmer’s would be worse for everyone, forever!’ Which feels like some bitter irony after Brexit.
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Bog standard leaflet full of shit > doing nothing > amateur scare tactics full of venom.
Anyway. I hope Toryboy’s motor hits every pothole on his drive home through his former constituency on election night.
It’s like-
Bog standard leaflet full of shit > doing nothing > amateur scare tactics full of venom.
Anyway. I hope Toryboy’s motor hits every pothole on his drive home through his former constituency on election night.
