He stated that as only a possibility not as if its a fact to be clear.Fundation after destruction sounds pretty clear to me
He stated that as only a possibility not as if its a fact to be clear.
Of course, but it's his possibility vs mine that says that the imprisoning war is the ALTTP one if Link die before opening the temple of timeHe stated that as only a possibility not as if its a fact to be clear.
Zelda's relationship to time has always been quite wonky even before BotW because it’s evidently of secondary concern to the developers and I think attempts to fit everything into one neat package are ultimately futile. I definitely think that they try to fit newer games into the grand mythos but they are still bound to contradict older titles in some fashion, sometimes due to choices that aren't necessarily motivated by lore.
The only way the events in the Zelda series make "sense" to me is if they are either cyclical or on an infinite timeline, endlessly reoccurring with some differences. Events depicted in BotW and TotK, even the past stuff, takes place so far removed from many of the previous games that only echoes of it remain in the present age, in names, imagery and some items that have survived.
Characters like Beedle, Malon, Talon, etc. are normal mortal Hylians and their reappearances can be treated as easter eggs and fun re-occurrences. Meanwhile, it is very much plausible for Twinrova, who are already practitioners of dark magic (and who honestly may have faked their deaths with the whole 'rising up to heaven' bit in OoT), to have been revived between Ocarina and the Oracle games and being the same witches whose goal it is to resurrect their surrogate son, and it is plausible for their appearance in TotK to be their younger selves. Their names showing up on Ganondorf's weapons as the proper Old Hylian instead of BotW Hylian may be a hint to both their relation as his guardians, and the intended time period. If the whole point of Fujibayashi's statement is that he doesn't want to discount any possibility, then it is valid to take these details to speculate a pre-OOT placement.I do want to point out again that we already have one instance of Koume and Kotake having either been reincarnated or resurrected later in the timeline via the Oracle games, so having another instance of them either in an ancient or future era of Hyrule isn’t without precedent (just assuming it’s not a common name for twins or titles to begin with). I think the two Gerudo are just a small nod at most, no more significant in anchoring the events to a time period than Beedle.
I believe they were killed by Link just on the adult timeline. They could be alive at alltp timeline and child one.Characters like Beedle, Malon, Talon, etc. are normal mortal Hylians and their reappearances can be treated as easter eggs and fun re-occurrences. Meanwhile, it is very much plausible for Twinrova, who are already practitioners of dark magic (and who honestly may have faked their deaths with the whole 'rising up to heaven' bit in OoT), to have been revived between Ocarina and the Oracle games and being the same witches whose goal it is to resurrect their surrogate son, and it is plausible for their appearance in TotK to be their younger selves. Their names showing up on Ganondorf's weapons as the proper Old Hylian instead of BotW Hylian may be a hint to both their relation as his guardians, and the intended time period. If the whole point of Fujibayashi's statement is that he doesn't want to discount any possibility, then it is valid to take these details to speculate a pre-OOT placement.
I don’t know if it’s specifically said, but I’ve always been under the impression Link’s point of defeat in the downfall timeline is the final battle with Ganondorf.I believe they were killed by Link just on the adult timeline. They could be alive at alltp timeline and child one.
The implication by Hyrule Historia is that Link died as an adult in the final battle with Ganondorf, with the Sages already awakened and able to seal him.I believe they were killed by Link just on the adult timeline. They could be alive at alltp timeline and child one.
My my....Really digged into this idea.The implication by Hyrule Historia is that Link died as an adult in the final battle with Ganondorf, with the Sages already awakened and able to seal him.
An alternative idea is that Link tried to face Ganondorf as a child and died. After all, Link seemed pretty much ready to go and pull out the Master Sword and fight him, he had no idea he'd be sealed. In this scenario where he dies, Zelda and Rauru rewind time again. The Master Sword, which itself has timeshift properties and may have an awareness of this alternate reality, seals Link for seven years so he can face Ganondorf. And the timeline where Link dies becomes the LttP timeline. This has its own issues but it's fun to think about.
Me too. But I don't remember it being explicited like this. Though maybe just my memory failing on me.I don’t know if it’s specifically said, but I’ve always been under the impression Link’s point of defeat in the downfall timeline is the final battle with Ganondorf.
Your interpretation of his words as being a bone thrown to you is just your interpretation. Nothing about placing the memories before OOt would "break the canon."Of course, but it's his possibility vs mine that says that the imprisoning war is the ALTTP one if Link die before opening the temple of time
This is the translation, i want to point to:
Fujibayashi : There is no doubt that the story is set after Breath of the Wild. And basically, the "Legend of Zelda" series thinks about the story and the world so as not to collapse. I can only say two things at this point.
If there is a premise that `it won't go bankrupt,'' I think there is room for fans to think about things like So, is this even possible?' If I'm just talking about this as a possibility, even if there is a story about the founding of Hyrule, there is a possibility that there is a history where Hyrule was destroyed once before that. I didn't make it just by thinking,`Wouldn't it be interesting if I did this?'', so I hope you enjoy imagining things, including the parts that aren't talked about.
What is really saying, is that the world and the lore is coherent.
So, if there are no contradiction, you can say "ok, the story could take place here".
Then he give us an hint, his possibilities are basically bones throws at us about the game placement, then he says "ok, the prologue is up to you"
Actually there is an elephant in the room: why Mineru and Rauru doesn't know the existence of Master Sword?Your interpretation of his words as being a bone thrown to you is just your interpretation. Nothing about placing the memories before OOt would "break the canon
Just had a galaxy brain moment.
So the Era of the Wild is set so far past in the future that it's made everything that came before it a distant legend. Hyrule's topography is completely changed, the kingdom is basically unrecognizable.
What if.. the Depths are the old Hyrule? Decayed and withered, and nature has been doing its thing by burying the kingdom(s) of old beneath new landmasses. And the reason that you find these "amiibo armor" of old heroes there is because they're still intact from all of the past eras, left forgotten along with the old Hyrule.
This has crossed my mind before. But reading the way you and Yolk put it has me realizing it'd fix the issue with "multiple Ganondorfs" and apparent series retcons by meaning no games have taken place between the past and present events in TotKWhat if.. the Depths are the old Hyrule? Decayed and withered, and nature has been doing its thing by burying the kingdom(s) of old beneath new landmasses. And the reason that you find these "amiibo armor" of old heroes there is because they're still intact from all of the past eras, left forgotten along with the old Hyrule.
Refunding after Wind Waker is the worst possible placement IMHO, as it goes against everything in WW ending.
This has been my assumption, especially as we know the Gerudo, Gorons, and Zora inhabited the areas in the depths at some point. Also noteable, the Rito are not represented by statues in the depths, which supports them being relatively recent in the timeline.Just had a galaxy brain moment.
So the Era of the Wild is set so far past in the future that it's made everything that came before it a distant legend. Hyrule's topography is completely changed, the kingdom is basically unrecognizable.
What if.. the Depths are the old Hyrule? Decayed and withered, and nature has been doing its thing by burying the kingdom(s) of old beneath new landmasses. And the reason that you find these "amiibo armor" of old heroes there is because they're still intact from all of the past eras, left forgotten along with the old Hyrule.
My biggest problem with this theory is evidence of the Zonai themselves in the Depths. It makes much more sense if they were never there, unless they were in Hyrule (or whatever you want to call it before Rauru founded the kingdom) for a very long time? I guess that's possible, but something about it still doesn't click with me.This has been my assumption, especially as we know the Gerudo, Gorons, and Zora inhabited the areas in the depths at some point. Also noteable, the Rito are not represented by statues in the depths, which supports them being relatively recent in the timeline.
My biggest problem with this theory is evidence of the Zonai themselves in the Depths. It makes much more sense if they were never there, unless they were in Hyrule (or whatever you want to call it before Rauru founded the kingdom) for a very long time? I guess that's possible, but something about it still doesn't click with me.
That’s my thought as well. Regarding topography not matching older Hyrule, aside from that being an issue regardless of the iteration of Hyrule, I’d just imagine millennia of burial, seismic activity, etc have warped the land into its current configuration. Like, Lake Hylia and Death Mountain have probably remained on the surface throughout the ages, just chunks of land have fallen through, or been covered over through eons of natural disaster and whatnot.Maybe the Zonai found the depths themselves and just used them as a mining resource. They just ended up losing the mining shafts over hundreds of years.