It's such a ridiculous sentiment that I kind of feel bad for bringing it up in this thread, so I apologize.
I think βIβm not supporting x multinational any moreβ is at least a reasonable personal statement, compared to the sweeping claim that Switch 2 is going to see a reduction of 130m sales or whatever based entirely on events even most of the people dedicated enough to follow gaming news on the internet will barely remember next year.
Yikes!
Does this imply that Nintendo has all the download and user information of all of those people?
I wonder if they can actually do anything with that?
EDIT: Have the Yuzu devs basically sold out their entire user base? No wonder the settlement is much smaller than I expected
I'm not trying to cross post here, but a couple of users from Resetera said that that person is very sketchy when it comes to things like this and therefore not to be trusted. So I don't know what to believe.
The whole thing just gets wilder by the day.
I mean his source is the actual court documents there isn't it?
To be fair here, we have had huge media companies like Kotaku outright showcase piracy in the metroid dread situation. That was how huge Switch emulation was. 1 million copies being downloaded before launch is also no joke. That is 70 million dollars in revenue that they missed out on.
Honestly, the reason this is blowing up so much is simply because there is no other news for fans and media to grasp upon. There is nothing going on. For example, with Project M shutting down, that was quickly swept under the rug because there was simply so much going on at the time. It's kind of Nintendo's doing because they have showed nothing else for the majority of switch owners this year.
This shows how horrible US laws are on this matter. It needs to be challenged, or better yet: the law needs to be changed. This is giving companies too much power imo.
he is interpreting the initial complaint made by nintendo's lawyers, which as we all know, never went to trial
There also was a dude tweeting to Reggie about how cool (pre-release, so leaked) TOTK was on his emulator. He responded with what amounted to a "you really shouldn't be tweeting your crimes to me, I am in the power to wreck your life for that kinda thing". Somehow Reggie was considered to be in the wrong there, but the brazenness of tweeting to the ex-CEO of NOA about how awesome you think piracy is cannot be understated.
These statements always get a laugh out of me.
Nintendo pivoting to GaaS is more likely to tank them than emulation... Piracy did not turn any prior, otherwise successful Nintendo console into a failure, so why would it now? There is a much larger barrier to pirating modern video games than there is to streaming anime illegally. Supposedly there were "only" about ~1m TotK downloads prior to launch, and as far as we know, this is the most egregious case by far. Relative to the 20m+ that it's sold legitimately already
While I agree that some people like to exaggerate how popular emulation is as a whole, I feel like you are really downplaying how bad Switch piracy has gotten, especially in the last year or two.
Tbf steam deck is also not a mainstream device
I also didn't know. Maybe in the future these emulation developing some kind of technology that preventing piracy use on their emulation. If they detecting same game ID occurring in their emulation, that new technology block it from functioning.
That's why they can developing a new anti piracy technology for emulation
Stolen code? I havent kept up with everything around this story but what did they steal?
It's probably not as easy. Only thing you could do is to not support reatail games at all.
Comparing it to the DS and R4 cart situation is kind of laughable. That was so huge it was common to have parents walking into game stores asking if they could buy them for their kids. It was also a much different beast to be able to just pop an cart into real hardware and have everything just work. I would love an indepth look into what exactly got the R4 cart so popular and how much it did actually impact sales from a 3rd party source. It would be a fascinating look into what specific conditions all came together to make piracy widespread and damaging to that level, and also show how to avoid that.
Believe me, they've been trying. That's how we end up with awful things like DRM and always-online requirements for singleplayer games.
The case is settled and over. Yuzu agreed to a fine and permanent injunction. There's nothing left to "lose", outside of a judge rejecting the settlement (which is rare).
I see that. I just hope it stays with that and Nintendo hasn't discovered a new found passion to clean up the whole scene.
well tell them to not share roms of unreleased games on discord then. wild how people think discord is a free for all where you can do anything and never get found out all while discord hands over your info to the authorities.
Shouldn't that be possible now?
Well I am not defending Yuzu and their shady business practices here. But Nintendo clearly isn't too happy about Emulators in general and they show little effort to keep their library of games accessible over longer periods of time.
Oh, this goes back a few years before all this, actually.
Yeah I fully agree. Hardware isn't made for eternity. Archiving it and its games properly is a huge undertaking. This will be true for Switch too some time in the future, where there maybe is no more eShop, no physical release of a game or only limited copies ever produced and can't be easily replaced. Emulation makes it possible to actually preserve games and make them accessible for educational purposes and as an artistic piece with much more reliability.
People say this but I don't really think that's true. At least on context of Nintendo's first party titles (ie the stuff they can use without issue) all their biggest hitters from the NES, SNES, N64, GB/C, GBA have been fairly consistently available either via VC or NSO. Pick any random rom site and look at their most popular games for say the SNES. You'll frequently see the following as most downloaded
not to mention according to that document the Yuzu devs were specifically targeting games like Mario, Zelda and Pokemon....not exactly rare games in desperate need of preservation. Especially before they come out
Maybe true for the popular titles, but many classic games are way harder to get. ROM Sites or having some games on/off available over services like VC or NSO isn't really reliable. Nintendo (or any other Publisher) can change their mind at any time if they want to. At least until now Nintendo obviously didn't care much and this case very likely hasn't any deeper meaning with their current strategy, but still we rely on their goodwill/lack of interest on that.
I don't think this is really that relevant to @lexony's point. For one, game preservation is about all games, not just the ones that are most popular on piracy sites, and the vast majority of classic games are no longer available for sale.
Yeah my point really was more about that we really can't only rely on private companies to preserve games. Even not Nintendo.
Except Nintendo has preserved games better then anyone, just because they're not publicly available does not mean they aren't preserved. Preservation does not mean anyone who wants to play something can, it just means the original code isn't lost forever.
