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StarTopic Marvel Cinematic Universe |ST| The Eternal Universe

Yeah, I'll be there. Looks like a fun time!

I still sometimes wonder how they'll "officially" get my muties into the (main universe) MCU. Maybe this will start telling us how.
Given that the X-Men film isn't supposed to come out until after Secret Wars, I bet it'll be similar to how Miles and his family got into 616 in the comics.

The world is "rebooted" (it's the same as before with a few different things), and in the MCU it'll mean the mutants became known to the public in the 60s or somewhen along those lines.
 
Yeah, I'll be there. Looks like a fun time!

I still sometimes wonder how they'll "officially" get my muties into the (main universe) MCU. Maybe this will start telling us how.
I kinda figured it might be kinda like the end of the Days of Future Past movie. After the multiverse stuff gets resolved at the end of Secret Wars we follow the hero(es) back into the "regular" world, where things are mostly recognizable but we see the changes peppered throughout as a result of the universes merging.

As far as the MCU canon goes the other universe's didn't even exist until Loki fucked around, right? And then suddenly all these other universes and their whole histories just popped into being because timey-wimey stuff affects the whole of the past and future? So if the multiverse stuff gets resolved it's possible that rather than "pruning" all the alternate timelines (which the Loki series shows is a damn cruel process) they could end up being blended together into a new "sacred timeline?"

So then the mutants (and probably other things) would have "always" existed in some form in the main canon going forward even if that's something new from the perspective of the 616 heroes we're following (and I hate that they decided the movie universe was also 616 instead of it simply being treated as yet another universe in the comics continuity). People have pointed out the Fantastic Four reveal image and logo have something of a 60s vibe, so that's possibly gonna be another thing that hasn't happened yet in 616 (ugh) that will have retroactively happened in the new blended universe. Same goes for Wiccan and Speed.

Anyway obviously that's all a big damn maybe but I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with it. Also in general just ready to see the confusing and exhausting Multiverse Saga come to an end. They got what they wanted out of it, they got the previous Spiderman continuities pulled into the MCU for fanservice, they're using it to pull the Fox continuities in, it's served its purpose and I'm so ready to just chill and get back to linear storytelling. 😅
 
Given that the X-Men film isn't supposed to come out until after Secret Wars, I bet it'll be similar to how Miles and his family got into 616 in the comics.

The world is "rebooted" (it's the same as before with a few different things), and in the MCU it'll mean the mutants became known to the public in the 60s or somewhen along those lines.

I kinda figured it might be kinda like the end of the Days of Future Past movie. After the multiverse stuff gets resolved at the end of Secret Wars we follow the hero(es) back into the "regular" world, where things are mostly recognizable but we see the changes peppered throughout as a result of the universes merging.

As far as the MCU canon goes the other universe's didn't even exist until Loki fucked around, right? And then suddenly all these other universes and their whole histories just popped into being because timey-wimey stuff affects the whole of the past and future? So if the multiverse stuff gets resolved it's possible that rather than "pruning" all the alternate timelines (which the Loki series shows is a damn cruel process) they could end up being blended together into a new "sacred timeline?"

So then the mutants (and probably other things) would have "always" existed in some form in the main canon going forward even if that's something new from the perspective of the 616 heroes we're following (and I hate that they decided the movie universe was also 616 instead of it simply being treated as yet another universe in the comics continuity). People have pointed out the Fantastic Four reveal image and logo have something of a 60s vibe, so that's possibly gonna be another thing that hasn't happened yet in 616 (ugh) that will have retroactively happened in the new blended universe. Same goes for Wiccan and Speed.

Anyway obviously that's all a big damn maybe but I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with it. Also in general just ready to see the confusing and exhausting Multiverse Saga come to an end. They got what they wanted out of it, they got the previous Spiderman continuities pulled into the MCU for fanservice, they're using it to pull the Fox continuities in, it's served its purpose and I'm so ready to just chill and get back to linear storytelling. 😅
See, the thing I'd hate about this type of twist is that "conveniently" dumping mutants into the MCU in this way, through retcons, is that would kind of undermine what the struggle about being a mutant is all about, and the allegories that have been attributed to them for the longest. It'd be like saying "black/gay/trans/etc. people didn't exist" before a certain era, when they've always been there. I suppose a really inspired team of writers could twist such into an allegory about the "blinders being taken off one's eyes", but I'm not exactly holding my breath for Feige n'em to be THAT on point. LOL

The whole point is that mutants could be anyone. Your neighbor. Your neighbor's kids. Your own kid, or someone else in your family. That dude you sat across on the bus on your commute to work. That nice lady at the coffee shop that always knew how to make your latte the way you liked. That awkward guy you never paid much attention to in your high school English class. Maybe even you, and you just don't realize that truth, yet. Again, I think you really need to keep that, or it just doesn't work as well.

Now, how would I do it?

To me, the answer is simple: When you consider that, in the MCU, very public, out-in-the-open super-heroics is still pretty recent occurrence (2008, when Tony Stark announced himself to the world as Iron Man), it paints a picture that again, mutants could have always been there, but operating in on the low. And certainly in an age before cell phones, it wouldn't take much for powerful psychics on the level of Xavier to keep things quiet, because humanity isn't quite ready for that yet.

Time goes on, and into the modern era. Eventually, even the best laid secrets are going to start getting out, but it's the likes of clandestine organizations such as HYDRA that are scooping up mutants for their pet projects and experiments (which includes, yes, the Maximoff twins, as I assume they'll be retconned to be mutants in the MCU soon enough). Inevitably, these kind of humans rights violations are the kinds of things that well-meaning mutant leadership would love to go to the UN about. Perhaps the likes of Xavier are even encouraged by the likes of the Wakandans revealing themselves to the world, as a similar thing that could be done. After all, they can't hide forever. Nor, as some would attest, should they.

But unfortunately, just like in the comics, Wanda screws up everything for everyone else. The Lagos Incident was bad enough, but at least that was an "accident". Now, we got the Westview incident, too. Suddenly, you got the posterchild of what would easily generate a lot of animosity and hysteria for mutants, everywhere. "You could have a Wanda living next door, and not even know it!" The FOH advertisements write themselves!

And by the time you start having even MORE mutants, in significantly greater numbers, emerge in reaction to the traumatic events that are sure to come because of Secret Wars and the like, there won't be a choice to "hide" any longer.
 
That’s a Dr Strange portal

They’ll jump into into the MCU. Lots of Fox and MCU shenanigans
Wong: "You wanted more?"

[Deadpool and Wolverine jump in]

Deadpool: "Oboy! Time for some gratuitous violence that somehow never appeared in the original!"

And just to stir the pot a bit, I was never a fan of the yellow-and-blue Wolvie suit. The brown-and-tan works a lot better IMO.
 
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Endgame is five years old.
Still my favouriteovie experience together with Infinity War.

I went with a friend, theater was packed; so many great, fun moments. So many audible gasps.

Ending of Infinity War is still the greatest. All of those surprised people… and I’m just sitting there thinking “yeah this checks out”
 
Endgame is five years old.
We finally made it

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People have been trying to figure out who's playing Doom, then we get this instead:


🤯🤯🤯
 
Given we're already getting Silver Surfer, Galactus was inevitable I guess. Would prefer him to not be a one-off, or at least not an evil smoke cloud 🤣
 
Given we're already getting Silver Surfer, Galactus was inevitable I guess. Would prefer him to not be a one-off, or at least not an evil smoke cloud 🤣
Hey whoawhoawhoa what?? Silver Surfer has been confirmed??


Also. We have John Malkovich in a for now undisclosed role.
NGL my first thought was that they added John Malkovich as a character 😅
 
If you haven’t noticed, they’ve changed the title like 5 times at this point lol. People seem to think they’re trolling and that these are all gonna be episode titles.
 
Speaking of, that Upfront event is tomorrow so we might be getting some trailers if we're lucky, including one for this.
yeah, they didn't drop The Lying Witch with Great Wardrobe yesterday for no reason - something coming soon for sure
 
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Please tell me you know what "The Lying Witch with Great Wardrobe" is parodying...
Yeah I'm familiar with The Chronicles of Narnia. It's just a very clunky and awkard "parody" of it, and therefore terrible... ugh, "in my opinion" to cover my bases I guess.
 
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They're definitely trolling - I suspect when the trailer drops we will learn the title was "Agatha" all along!


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I mean, I don't think it's something they're trying to start anytime soon. Seems like it's something they want to start post Secret Wars, and they're probably gonna take their time to make sure they get it right like they have been with Fantastic Four.
 
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It's crazy that they can't get X-Men of all things off the ground. Although given their recent history, it's not surprising.
I think it's more that Peele probably wanted more independence than Marvel would give. Iirc that was the same issue with Edgar Wright and Ant-Man: he wanted to do the movie he conceived of and wrote, but Marvel wanted him to shorehorn in MCUisms and he eventually bailed due to the disconnect. Peele was probably informed of those types of things early on and decided he wouldn't like them.

Either that or Marvel wanted him more than he wanted them, and just did the meeting as a courtesy. I'm sure studios don't always get their first pick with directors.
 
It's crazy that they can't get X-Men of all things off the ground. Although given their recent history, it's not surprising.
It's not actually that surprising.

Mutants would be better off existing within their own little bubble away from the MCU, but Marvel won't let that happen. So they've instead got to figure out how mutants have existed within the MCU all this time without anyone noticing or how to introduce mutants to the MCU some other way.

Then they have an even bigger problem. Mutants need to be hated and feared, because mutants are an allegory for any minority group that faces prejudice simply for the act of existing. It's a heavy subject and intentionally so, which means the usually toothless MCU can't really afford to be. The X-Men '97 cartoon handled the subject matter really well, but we already know that Marvel won't go that hard with the MCU. Even the Fox movies didn't go that hard and the MCU will be toned down compared to those.

That's probably why the talks with Jordan Peele fell through, if I had to guess. He would have created the X-Men through the lens of the prejudice and hate he has experienced in life and given the tone of movies like Get Out and Us it was probably too intense for what Marvel wants Disney's X-Men to be.
 
That's probably why the talks with Jordan Peele fell through, if I had to guess. He would have created the X-Men through the lens of the prejudice and hate he has experienced in life and given the tone of movies like Get Out and Us it was probably too intense for what Marvel wants Disney's X-Men to be.
Woulda been amazing, though, which sucks
 
Woulda been amazing, though, which sucks
Sadly that's the cost of Disney owning everything.

It's probably the same reason why Blade is having so much trouble getting off the ground. It's not that there aren't people who could do it really really well, but that Marvel is owned by Disney and that means sanitised, family friendly movies that are not too violent and do not point fingers.

I mean, the very first scene of the first Blade movie involves a vampire rave, blood sprinklers and Wesley Snipes decapitating like a dozen people in rapid succession. Disney would never sign off on something like that. :ROFLMAO:

The hope, I think, is that Deadpool 3 somehow convinces Disney that they can make a lot of money off of 15 rated movies (or R rated if you're American) and that'll open them up to a Blade movie with a similar rating.
 
I think it's more that Peele probably wanted more independence than Marvel would give. Iirc that was the same issue with Edgar Wright and Ant-Man: he wanted to do the movie he conceived of and wrote, but Marvel wanted him to shorehorn in MCUisms and he eventually bailed due to the disconnect. Peele was probably informed of those types of things early on and decided he wouldn't like them.

Either that or Marvel wanted him more than he wanted them, and just did the meeting as a courtesy. I'm sure studios don't always get their first pick with directors.

Well I'm talking difficulties more in general. They have had the license back for a while now and they have yet to come up with a plan or anything of substance in that time frame. No timeline, no schedule, no director(s), just nothing other than cameos from the Fox movies and little hints that some people may mutants in the TV shows.
 
Sadly that's the cost of Disney owning everything.

It's probably the same reason why Blade is having so much trouble getting off the ground. It's not that there aren't people who could do it really really well, but that Marvel is owned by Disney and that means sanitised, family friendly movies that are not too violent and do not point fingers.

I mean, the very first scene of the first Blade movie involves a vampire rave, blood sprinklers and Wesley Snipes decapitating like a dozen people in rapid succession. Disney would never sign off on something like that. :ROFLMAO:

The hope, I think, is that Deadpool 3 somehow convinces Disney that they can make a lot of money off of 15 rated movies (or R rated if you're American) and that'll open them up to a Blade movie with a similar rating.
They do seem to be leaning into the R-ratedness of Deadpool 3 in the marketing. The trailers (on youtube) don't shy away from swearing and big blood splatters (and sex jokes, and drugs, and and and), and even the "silence your phones" scene that's currently showing before movies in some theaters features Jackman just going off on the audience, with the whole joke being that they're having to bleep more than half what he's saying 😅

So yeah, they very well may actually be testing the waters with this movie.

Well I'm talking difficulties more in general. They have had the license back for a while now and they have yet to come up with a plan or anything of substance in that time frame. No timeline, no schedule, no director(s), just nothing other than cameos from the Fox movies and little hints that some people may mutants in the TV shows.
ah true. Yeah I'm not sure why Xmen and even F4 are taking so long to get to while the Multiverse Saga has thus far seemed so bloated and weird. Feels like they coulda led with those and instead they seem to want them as the finale.
 
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I don't think that the opinion "Marvel needs to work with their directorial talent better and give them more creative liberties" is particularly revolutionary, but going through this thread both reminded me of some situations reflecting such I forgot and brought new ones to my attention.
No funny quips, just absurd how Marvel approaches directors with an established skill at writing certain types of stories, and then proceed to put up enough red tape that the end result has next to no evidence of the creative decisions that would make it distinctly That director's style.
okay well, i could have made a borg cube joke in hindsight, pretend i did that
 
I don't think that the opinion "Marvel needs to work with their directorial talent better and give them more creative liberties" is particularly revolutionary, but going through this thread both reminded me of some situations reflecting such I forgot and brought new ones to my attention.
No funny quips, just absurd how Marvel approaches directors with an established skill at writing certain types of stories, and then proceed to put up enough red tape that the end result has next to no evidence of the creative decisions that would make it distinctly That director's style.
okay well, i could have made a borg cube joke in hindsight, pretend i did that
aside from the Taika-goofiness of Thor Ragnarock and some of the chaotic, zooming Raimi cinematography in Multiverse of Madness, I agree that it's hard to spot a specific "voice" in any of the newer MCU films. The thing I liked so much about the early MCU was that you could really feel how each movie was its own thing with a specific look and feel, even sometimes within their own separate genres, and at some point (or maybe I only started paying attention with the Edgar Wright kerfuffle over Ant-Man) it seemed like they all got super cookie-cutter. It's too bad, I hope they start to lean back to the old style.

On a positive note from the same article


A delayed movie is eventually good, a rushed movie is bad forever.
- Shigevin Feigemoto
 
aside from the Taika-goofiness of Thor Ragnarock and some of the chaotic, zooming Raimi cinematography in Multiverse of Madness, I agree that it's hard to spot a specific "voice" in any of the newer MCU films. The thing I liked so much about the early MCU was that you could really feel how each movie was its own thing with a specific look and feel, even sometimes within their own separate genres, and at some point (or maybe I only started paying attention with the Edgar Wright kerfuffle over Ant-Man) it seemed like they all got super cookie-cutter. It's too bad, I hope they start to lean back to the old style.


A delayed movie is eventually good, a rushed movie is bad forever.
- Shigevin Feigemoto
I do think Ragnarok was the last time I felt it strongly. I did see the occasional shot that would remind me of a Raimi film proper, but it definitely didn't have the same embracing of the world I feel his other work does, and it really really bites because I liked Dr. Strange well enough and I LOVE Raimi. That was the point where I was like "Why bother getting Raimi? So you can say you did?"
I know I'm gonna very much be in vocal minority, but though "Cheated" is a strong word, the reason I don't go to Marvel Movies at all, even casually, is because I felt so burned out from believing Raimi of all people would be given free reign only to be disappointed. :c
the mind goblins that command my actions will be forcing me to go see venom 3 in theaters tho since this will be my last opportunity to witness grand schlock in imax.
 
That is the right mindset, but how long is Marshala Ali going to hold out for?
I suppose as long as it doesn’t interfere with his filming of anything else he wants to do. Thankfully he doesn’t have to get in Hemsworth shape for the role or else the man would have been on an unseasoned chicken breast diet for 5 years.
 
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