They said "there will be no mention of the Nintendo Switch successor during that presentation", so it's theoretically possible they could show some incredibly impressive footage and say "Hmmm, I wonder what that is? I can't say!" and be true to their word, but seems pretty unlikely.
Not even PS5 is selling much less than PS4, and Switch is doing much better in its old age than PS4. It is far from clear that Switch 2 will inevitably sell much less.
Well, I'm speaking from Nintendo's historical precedent with that. Their "next gen" same brand system has always sold much less, whether they fucked it up themselves or simply demand. This is not comparable to PS consoles tbh, they've never exhibited the same drastic gen-on-gen declines like Nintendo usually does... Until the Switch broke that pattern, of course.
Switch 2 selling less than Switch 1 (let's assume a steeper drop off than PS4 to PS5 due to lack of covid boost) should not impact 3rd party support if Nintendo is still moving 15+ million hardware a year of a piece of hardware that 3rd party devs can port their games to with much less effort than Switch 1.
It definitely won't, that's for sure. It's just that I'm seeing way too many people claiming the console market isn't growing and making an exception for Nintendo when they're historically the worst example of that... If anything, they have shrunk every single time as long as following up a brand goes, not just "stagnated". I wouldn't make too many assumptions with Xbox consoles these days, the management has proven anything can happen at this point... Switch 2 will be weaker for sure, but not to the point of making existing Series S work useless, no idea what's that about.
I'm so so curious to see how a Switch product does on the market that can run most if not all 3rd party games to some level of parity and combining that with the 1st party and momentum and see how the sales go...
It isn't growing now and may well extend into next year and the year after
That's what I mean, it isn't growing altogether which includes Nintendo platforms, not like that's an issue anyway because profit margins can be improved and adjusted as needed (especially those profit margins). Covid indeed, it makes you wonder how much of an effect that really had for spending... I have a feeling we'll find out through the numbers soon.
This is an interesting point but I can't say I really agree.
I like to imagine, when Nintendo movies are released they’ll heavily market the Switch 2 in ads.
I agree. Assuming Brazil is right and that there are Switch 1 games launching after April 2025 by Shiver those PORTING contracts are likely signed and the games in development and would likely have been finished for Switch 1 regardless. Maybe there was a risk they could have gone bankrupt with embracers troubles that precipitated the buyout but that's speculation on my part.
I'm positive this has come up before, but it's not a law of nature. The market kept getting bigger, but they also kept having more notable competition leaving them a smaller share. From Switch generation to the next there's no new Genesis or PlayStation or Xbox in sight. If anything the opposite, with Xbox hardware becoming less of a going concern. In the last three generation shifts where there was no major post-Microsoft addition, two times out of three Nintendo bested their previous home console high by 40 million.
Imo, it's better to push it on Switch 2 and showcase what its capable of.
I'd be sincerely shocked if it sold any better, but one thing for sure is that for the later to happen we'll need a monumental fuckup. A significantly higher price alone won't do it... I don't think so.
I personally think the Switch 2 will kill the Series S.
5K screenshots? it was not 4K screenshots? i recall everyone going crazy, this mean Switch Pro would release with Animal Crossing New Horizon
Just wanted to point out, if nintendo does the launch well and deliver games steadily, which i think they will, the hogwarts studio purchase is a good indicator, switch 2 sucess would be definitely possible.
When you think about it, everyone who ownes a switch is a potential switch 2 buyer, imagine theres a new 3d mario, a new mario kart and metroid prime 4, maybe some 4k patches for golden games at launch available and you see an epic trailer of the new console in your cinema, where they told everyone you can play your old switch games with better graphics, games from a time where some people where young or met their wive, or they started building a family, played with their kids etc. For me at least, this would shake the fabric of the universe and set an instant hype, i met my wife 2017 and we both loved nintendo
(Sry for bad english btw, this is not my native language)
PS5 selling almost same as PS4 in same timeframe, Sony is official very happy, Xbox sells about same as durning Xbox One Gen,but im sure Switch 2 will have 3P AAA Support as Gen9
I will take a bet that just as Kirby's Epic Yarn appeared on the 3DS in its last year, it will also come to Switch in '25 as the next annual Kirby game, either that or Kirby Planet Robobot.
They for sure will have strong lineup for lanuch, at least one strong game
Did people suddenly think they were not going to put out any Switch 1 games anymore?
You don't know that, in fact no one knows anything yet, so I don't know why you feel the need to police other peoples hopes and expectations.
Well, Oldpuck's provided what's probably the best/most objective answer that we'd have access to. But since I was also asked, I might as well offer my subjective response. If nothing else, maybe my particular phrasing would be interesting?
Phil was right. The accounts made a difference. Everyone had their accounts with their library attached to that ecosystem and all their friend were playing. This is why Microsoft was pushing so hard for crossplay last gen and Sony pushing so hard for limited to no cross-gen games.
You absolutely were policing - "It's time to be realistic and keep expectations in check"
to be clear it's apparently only profitable atm due to Activision games...which feels more like a techicality at this point
keep an open mind, you can have your 'dream line up' at launch (day) but i've seen those quickly become ossified into expectations and become the 'litmus test' on how much the actual launch measured up.
Phil Spencer is a suit. He's also genuinely a gamer, and MS owns both Xbox, a closed platform, and PC, the biggest and most open one.
