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Retro Disney has finally fixed Cinderella's dress after 17 years.

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per the restoration team....
“For many years, Cinderella was not the right colors,” Goldberg laughs. “Her hair [is] dusty blonde, and her dress is silver. And over the years, we’ve seen her hair look the color of Cheez Whiz. We’ve seen her dress be bright blue. We’ve seen all sorts of stuff. So going in, for myself and Michael Giaimo, the very first thing was, Let’s get that hair and dress right.
this 4k restoration, in the works for years. takes an original print of the film (acquired by the Library of Congress) and painstakingly remasters every single frame using old art assets as reference.
it was originally shown at the Berlin International Film Festival a few months ago. and is now currently streaming on Disney+ (with a 4k blu-ray release also in the works)

of course, this isn't the only Disney film to be badly damaged in later re-releases. there was once a period where The Sword in the Stone was a badly blurry mess in "HD", though this was eventually fixed.
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not to mention the utterly notorious discourse surrounding Star Wars and it's numerous changes across various "special edition" re-releases.
 
Disney's restoration of their films are like, some of the most shameful. Instead of preserving the look of the films, they blast and sand away amd grain, use computers to redraw animation, and recolor like mad to fit the standardized coloration of characters. So much detail and history is lost. As always, fuck disney.
 
not to mention the utterly notorious discourse surrounding Star Wars and it's numerous changes across various "special edition" re-releases.
To be fair, these always came from Lucas himself and most of them were released before Disney bought Lucasfilm - the only one they ever did was, to my knowledge, the Blu-ray release which yes, is kinda ass.
 
If anything, the "After" has 'Cheese Whiz hair' and a blue dress!

PS: the above graphic is a little weird. Fuck Disney (and the others) higher ups in terms of the strikes, but I'm a big fan of Disney Star Wars. I'm more than happy to admit that.
 
Also Disney parks fucking suck ass lol, they're overpriced and crowded but at least you get to hang out with an overworked actor in a Goofy costume
 
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Maybe I havent had my coffee yet but, um, it does seem to me that the bad Disney is the "woke" star Wars and Marvel whereas the good Disney is, um, the fucking cruises and the parks????
This is a reach and I have no interest in defending Disney, one of the worst corporations in the business, from an image graphic

Disney leveraging the perception of being "progressive" has really done a number on internet discourse
 
“In previous iterations, it was, like, mustard yellow. But in fact, it’s green,” he says. “We brought it back to green. To us [Goldberg and Giaimo], it was very, very important to get back to what Mary Blair intended with all of her wonderful concept art.”
This sounds a bit weird. Restore the earliest or best print sure, but why are they changing colours based on concept art? The movie is the movie. The concept art is not the movie. Someone made a choice to change that colour before it was animated. It might have been Mary Blair for all we know.
 
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To be fair, these always came from Lucas himself and most of them were released before Disney bought Lucasfilm - the only one they ever did was, to my knowledge, the Blu-ray release which yes, is kinda ass.
Even the blu-rays were released before Disney bought Star Wars.
 
Maybe I havent had my coffee yet but, um, it does seem to me that the bad Disney is the "woke" star Wars and Marvel whereas the good Disney is, um, the fucking cruises and the parks????
I mean fuck Disney in general, but Pixar, Disney Television Animation and Disney Animation Studios all have plenty of output criticized for being "woke", with lots of their productions receiving the same ire from the usual suspects because of casting and writing decisions. Very possible that image was made by some angry Marvel or Star Wars fan, but anyone dedicated to that life would know that column A studios do the same things they hate as the column B studios.

It's a very silly image though, to the point where I wouldn't blink if you told me it was made to make fun of the perception that there's any difference in how progressive and/or shit different parts of the same corporation are.
 
Maybe I havent had my coffee yet but, um, it does seem to me that the bad Disney is the "woke" star Wars and Marvel whereas the good Disney is, um, the fucking cruises and the parks????
I just see it as a separation of the 'classic' 20th Century Disney/early 21C content and more recent stuff. Pixar's output is as "woke" as anything (I think?) but they're on the left col, I guess because they made established classics (Toy Story etc).

Also... if you just find all the Disney Star Wars and Marvel output tedious like I do, this split makes sense that way too.
 
I'm confused, her dress is silver in the before image and blue in the after, at least to my eyes. The quote in the OP suggests that the dress is supposed to be silver?

If anything, the "After" has 'Cheese Whiz hair' and a blue dress!

PS: the above graphic is a little weird. Fuck Disney (and the others) higher ups in terms of the strikes, but I'm a big fan of Disney Star Wars. I'm more than happy to admit that.

It's really poorly worded in that image, but I'm like, 99% sure that's the point being made. The "after" is what Cinderella looked like for the longest time after a previous remastering effort, while the "before" is supposed to be what the original film looked like , and the new remastering is like.

That's the only way the text makes any sort of sense alongside the image, at least...
 
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Maybe I havent had my coffee yet but, um, it does seem to me that the bad Disney is the "woke" star Wars and Marvel whereas the good Disney is, um, the fucking cruises and the parks????
You made me doubt myself so I did some research (the image was sent to me a few days ago) ; I found the source and it's apparently not a dogwhistle, just someone who doesn't care about Marvel and Star Wars. Sorry for the confusion.



Why the hell is a cruise line under affectionate

Who can even afford a cruise

Also Pixar is bad now
DCL is great (and also one of the only cruise lines that pay their employees actual living wage) and Pixar made excellent movies in the last few years (Luca, Turning Red, Elemental)
 
You made me doubt myself so I did some research (the image was sent to me a few days ago) ; I found the source and it's apparently not a dogwhistle, just someone who doesn't care about Marvel and Star Wars. Sorry for the confusion.

Sorry about making you doubt yoruself, honestly. I have just become so tired of hearing the same arguments against Disney SW and Marvel that every time I see something against them I go into alert mode. Even if I am not such a huge fan of recent MCU or SW Universe (please Filoni just give it a rest)
 
Sorry about making you doubt yoruself, honestly. I have just become so tired of hearing the same arguments against Disney SW and Marvel that every time I see something against them I go into alert mode. Even if I am not such a huge fan of recent MCU or SW Universe (please Filoni just give it a rest)
I understand, don’t worry. It also happens to me from time to time, like some people have valid criticism of The Last Jedi (a top tier Star Wars movie imo) but since most of the criticism of that movie comes from bigots, when I hear someone say « The Last Jedi is bad » my first thought is « that person is probably a bigot » 😅
 
I understand, don’t worry. It also happens to me from time to time, like some people have valid criticism of The Last Jedi (a top tier Star Wars movie imo) but since most of the criticism of that movie comes from bigots, when I hear someone say « The Last Jedi is bad » my first thought is « that person is probably a bigot » 😅
The Last Jedi is good, actually
 
« The Last Jedi is bad » my first thought is « that person is probably a bigot » 😅
I get where you're coming from, but I think Last Jedi is very bad for non-bigoted reasons. Also worth discussing is Disney courts negative right wing reactions as a kind of marketing tool and as a way to dismiss any critics of their works as alt right. Its fucked up.
 
Disney is so woke they'll include background gay or lesbian characters in unimportant scenes, then edit those characters out of scenes to appease anti-LGBT regimes.

So fucking woke.
 
Trust me, there are plenty of good reasons to hate Star Wars and Marvel that don't involve being an alt-right shitlord.
 
Disney is so woke they'll include background gay or lesbian characters in unimportant scenes, then edit those characters out of scenes to appease anti-LGBT regimes.

So fucking woke.
I make fun of Disney for pink-washing all the time (like the fucking non-binary water in Elemental) but let’s be honest, every studio do that. The problem is not Disney per se, it’s multibillion dollar companies that don’t hesitate to ditch LGBTQ+ support if it can help them make more money.

And to play the devil’s advocate for a bit, as far as support of the LGBTQ+ goes, Disney is far from being the worst company out there. They were late to speak against the « Don’t Say Gay » bill, but they did anyway. Disney is the only company operating theme parks in Florida that said something on the subject (and most importantly didn’t back down when they were under the heat for that). They also have been hosting an official Pride Night at Disneyland Paris (in a country where acceptance of LGBTQ+ people is even lower than in the U.S.), there’s the case of the gay character in Strange World, etc.

Obviously, Disney do that because they know that a lot of their employees and fans are LGBTQ+. And it doesn’t erase the gay coded villains, the fact that they censor some of their movies for some markets as you pointed out etc. That’s why I said earlier that I like Disney (the theme parks that are a safe space for us, all the LGBTQ+ employees creating magic despite some censorship from the highers-up, the animated movies…) but still, fuck Disney.
 
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While the glory days of Pixar are in the rear-view mirror. They've had a couple of great hits recently like Soul and Elemental. Luca wasn't bad either.

Hm... I don't like these movies

Watched Nimona, a movie Disney cancelled, a month or so ago, and thought it was better than anything Disney and Pixar have put out for a while. Very cute movie
 
While the glory days of Pixar are in the rear-view mirror. They've had a couple of great hits recently like Soul and Elemental. Luca wasn't bad either.
I think Pixar's movies are (generally) anything but bad; however, the recent slate is missing something: Luca is a nice story that feels like it could be made by just about anybody, Turning Red is a good concept without much intrigue or humor to back it up, and Elemental feels like a Dreamworks movie with a bigger budget. The animation is incredible, but the stories lack the same voice that guided Toy Story, Finding Nemo, etc. It almost feels like we are in the "Cars Succeeds" timeline and are reaping the consequences.

I do like Soul though.
 
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Hm... I don't like these movies

Watched Nimona, a movie Disney cancelled, a month or so ago, and thought it was better than anything Disney and Pixar have put out for a while. Very cute movie

Never heard of Nimona. I will check it out.
 
Watched Nimona, a movie Disney cancelled, a month or so ago, and thought it was better than anything Disney and Pixar have put out for a while. Very cute movie
I keep seeing it advertised on the main page of Netflix, so hearing that it's good I'll give it a watch one of these days when I'm back in movie mode.
 
It's amazing what an ongoing strike led content drought will make you find to release. Fun fact, re-releases of movies don't have to pay residuals ;) so get ready for a glut of remasters for even more cynical reasons than the video game industry.
 
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Maybe I havent had my coffee yet but, um, it does seem to me that the bad Disney is the "woke" star Wars and Marvel whereas the good Disney is, um, the fucking cruises and the parks????
I'd be right there with you if Pixar were on the right
 
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I understand, don’t worry. It also happens to me from time to time, like some people have valid criticism of The Last Jedi (a top tier Star Wars movie imo) but since most of the criticism of that movie comes from bigots, when I hear someone say « The Last Jedi is bad » my first thought is « that person is probably a bigot » 😅

+1 on The Last Jedi being a top tier Star Wars film.

Whenever I ask anyone who doesn't like the film why that is, they either can't give a coherent answer or said answer boils down to:

1) women = bad
2) Luke isn't mowing stormtroopers down with his green lightsaber
3) nonsensical stuff like "bombs don't drop in space" (cough*Y-wings since 1977*cough) or "fuel shouldn't matter in Star Wars" or RLM told me not to like it.

Mostly point 2 tbf. All whilst completely missing his heroic actions at the end inspiring an entire galaxy to rise up.
 
Maybe I havent had my coffee yet but, um, it does seem to me that the bad Disney is the "woke" star Wars and Marvel whereas the good Disney is, um, the fucking cruises and the parks????
Nah, the "good" WDAS made the "woke" Stranger World.

It's more like the image was made to have a "good, genuine creative Disney" on one side, and an "evil soulless corporate Disney" on the other... Though why the company cruise line should be good is a mystery, and for all their faults LucasFilm and Marvel also released genuine creative stuff.
 
I love Disney, but yeah, fuck Disney

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I don‘t actively dislike Disney like most people in my bubble though this chart is bs.

Even when people don‘t want to see it, but thinking that Marvel, Star Wars or Pixar is generally good or bad is always very subjective and has at least on a surface level nothing to do with the actual quality of the content or if Disney is doing something right or wrong. I mean you can dislike big cooperations like Disney for many reasons but like this is true for anything they do on this chart regardless on which side they stand on some fan circles.

Except for Cruises. They are objectively bad in any way.
 
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+1 on The Last Jedi being a top tier Star Wars film.

Whenever I ask anyone who doesn't like the film why that is, they either can't give a coherent answer or said answer boils down to:

1) women = bad
2) Luke isn't mowing stormtroopers down with his green lightsaber
3) nonsensical stuff like "bombs don't drop in space" (cough*Y-wings since 1977*cough) or "fuel shouldn't matter in Star Wars" or RLM told me not to like it.

Mostly point 2 tbf. All whilst completely missing his heroic actions at the end inspiring an entire galaxy to rise up.
It is a tonal mess where every character (especially the heroes) makes uncharacteristically terrible decisions and then nothing especially important or interesting happens as a result.

Fuck the racists and bigots. The movie is still bad, though.
 
It is a tonal mess where every character (especially the heroes) makes uncharacteristically terrible decisions and then nothing especially important or interesting happens as a result.

Fuck the racists and bigots. The movie is still bad, though.
Yeag, the movie has some cool ideas, but the character motivations make no sense. Like, why don't they just tell Poe what their plan was? Why did we need to go to the casino planet? The movie had heavy "we shouldn've listened to Hillary" hashtag resist energy. Its the best movie in the prequel trilogy by far, making it the 4th best Star Wars movie, but its bad, and its disingenuous to dismiss not liking it as "you are alt right".
 
It is a tonal mess where every character (especially the heroes) makes uncharacteristically terrible decisions and then nothing especially important or interesting happens as a result.

Why a tonal mess?

What terrible decisions do the characters make?
 
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I'm confused, her dress is silver in the before image and blue in the after, at least to my eyes. The quote in the OP suggests that the dress is supposed to be silver?
Yeah, I agree, I think the image on the left is the original, and the one on the right is the previous restoration work being criticised in the article. You can see it in the mist around Cinderella too, it’s like someone had put a deep blue filter over the whole thing, killing all the subtleties of the silver-grey and silver-blues in the original.
 
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Because they're being tracked through hyperspace and logic would have dictated that they almost certainly have a spy on board, so the fewer people who know the plan the better? Very simple.
This ends up mking things far worse for them though. They have no reason not to trust Poe, its just kinda weird and feels like artificial tension. Hell they could've said "we're being tracked and we need to keep our plans secret" but it was just "trust us, you lowly trooper".
Why did they need to go to Bespin in TESB?
The difference is Bespin is fun and very important plot developments happen there. Casino planet is boring and nothing important happens there.
 
+1 on The Last Jedi being a top tier Star Wars film.

Whenever I ask anyone who doesn't like the film why that is, they either can't give a coherent answer or said answer boils down to:

1) women = bad
2) Luke isn't mowing stormtroopers down with his green lightsaber
3) nonsensical stuff like "bombs don't drop in space" (cough*Y-wings since 1977*cough) or "fuel shouldn't matter in Star Wars" or RLM told me not to like it.

Mostly point 2 tbf. All whilst completely missing his heroic actions at the end inspiring an entire galaxy to rise up.
Ive seen all those criticisms too. Personally, I like Luke’s actions and arc. I like that they are both strong and show off both immense psychic/force strength but also an effortless misleading of Ren’s simplistic obsession with aggression and simplistic power and domination, he plays him like a fiddle when it’s Ren that wants a massively impactful lightsaber fight with one of them skewered at the end, in an IP full of such fights. That’s why I think some angry online men dislike that scene, as it twists the concept of a one-on-one duel between men that the whole town has to watch into a clever distraction of blinkered, childish rage so important stuff can happen. But the film is still full of silly stuff. I mean, sure, it’s Star Wars, it’s space fantasy. But then I’ve criticised stuff on various other Star Wars films too. None of them are immune to it.

Big films like Star Wars and Marvel are full of bombastic stuff that hits right and stuff that just doesn’t (for any individual viewer). That’s OK, the issue is that any attempt to discuss any individual element is tainted by dogwhistles from the Alt Right that have turned it all into easily copy-pasted arguments. I’m not a huge fan of that bit in Endgame where all the superheroes who are women get a shot of ‘he’ll have help!’ so Spider-Man can get the thingy from point A to point B, as they could have just shown these characters doing all the cool stuff they do immediately afterwards instead. But it’s a single shot I thought was a bit cringe in a two hour fantasy film, where stuff like Black Widow holding everyone together in the preceding one and Captain Marvel whacking a capital ship were way cooler. ‘Show, don’t tell’, I guess, was my criticism of that shot, but if I were to defend it, I’d concede that the concept of a splash panel to make a dramatic story point with attached dialogue or cover art of team shots has a fine tradition in comics, so I see where the visual idea came from.

But the whole discussion, like Star Wars, is so tainted that discussing individual elements with nuance and context is hard without either the for-and-against being listed as a series of ready-made bullet points traded around by chuds. I’d like us to be able to discuss media on Fami in good faith without that, or the idea that the biggest fantasy/sci-fi films on the planet are beyond criticism because the alt-right gets to turn everything into a parroted laundry list of points for whatever dumbass reasons.
 
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None of this matters because the 1977 original is still the best by far, because it has the Wolfman and Satan hanging around. Also Vader's first name is Darth
 
This ends up mking things far worse for them though. They have no reason not to trust Poe, its just kinda weird and feels like artificial tension. Hell they could've said "we're being tracked and we need to keep our plans secret" but it was just "trust us, you lowly trooper".

But again, why is it weird? Wherever they go, they're being tracked. Wouldn't you assume there was a spy on board? WHY would they tell an X-wing pilot who literally just got demoted by Leia?

The difference is Bespin is fun and very important plot developments happen there. Casino planet is boring and nothing important happens there.

Lol.
 
But again, why is it weird? Wherever they go, they're being tracked. Wouldn't you assume there was a spy on board? WHY would they tell an X-wing pilot who literally just got demoted by Leia?



Lol.
I don't think we're gonna change each others opinions here. I just think its a boring not very good movie, and I resent the idea that makes me a chud This is a Lobot thread now.
 
I agree with Phos, I think it's extremely bizarre to imply that someone's a right wing creep for not liking a Walt Disney product.


Not only do I agree with Phos, but I also want to reiterate that the Disney Cruise Line, like all cruise lines, sucks. Hoping for all cruise-goers to get marooned
 
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I don't think we're gonna change each others opinions here. I just think its a boring not very good movie, and I resent the idea that makes me a chud This is a Lobot thread now.

That's fine, we all have our opinions. If you think they should have "told the plan!!1!1" to a recently demoted X-wing pilot, then by all means.

For me, I'll chalk up yet another example of TLJ haters giving incoherent/nonsensical reasons for disliking it.
 


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