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Rumour Digital Foundry: A mid-generation Switch refresh was canceled internally
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Not particularly. Let's go year-by-year of the Switch's life, January-June physical releases, to make this clear:
2018:
- Bayonetta 1+2 (announced at The Game Awards 2017)
- Kirby Star Allies (announced at E3 2017 Direct; dated via January 2018 Mini Direct)
- Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01+02 (announced in individual video in January 2018)
- Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze (announced in January 2018 Mini Direct)
- Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition (announced in January 2018 Mini Direct)
- Sushi Striker: The Way of Sushido (Switch version announced in March 2018 Direct)
- Mario Tennis Aces (announced in January 2018 Mini Direct)
- New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe (announced in September 2018 Direct)
- Yoshi's Crafted World (announced in E3 2017 Direct; reannounced in September 2018 Direct; dated via shadowdrop in January 2019)
- Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 04 (announced in individual video in March 2019)
- Super Mario Maker 2 (announced in February 2019 Direct; dated via focused Direct May 2019)
- Dr Kawashima’s Brain Training for Nintendo Switch (announced in individual video, October 2019)
- Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE Encore (announced in September 2019 Direct)
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX (announced in January 2020 Pokemon Presents)
- Animal Crossing: New Horizons (announced in September 2018 Direct; reannounced in E3 2019 Direct)
- Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition (announced in September 2019 Direct; dated via March 2020 Mini Direct)
- Clubhouse Games (announced in March 2020 Mini Direct)
- Buddy Mission BOND (announced in October 2020 Partner Showcase)
- Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury (announced in September 2020 Mario Direct)
- New Pokémon Snap (announced in June 2020 Pokemon Presents, dated via shadowdrop in January 2021)
- Famicom Detective Club (announced in September 2019 Direct; reannounced in February 2021 Direct)
- Miitopia (announced in February 2021 Direct)
- DC Super Hero Girls: Teen Power (announced in February 2021 Direct)
- Game Builder Garage (announced in individual video in May 2021)
- Mario Golf: Super Rush (announced in February 2021 Direct)
- Pokémon Legends: Arceus (announced in February 2021 Pokemon Presents; dated via shadowdrop in May 2021)
- Kirby and the Forgotten Land (announced in September 2021 Direct; dated via shadowdrop in January 2022)
- Advance Wars (if it stuck to schedule: announced in E3 2021 Direct; redated via February 2022 Direct)
- Nintendo Switch Sports (announced in February 2022 Direct)
- Mario Strikers: Battle League (announced in February 2022 Direct)
- Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes (announced in February 2022 Direct)
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JorgenRaft
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Guys I said "general idea" not "literally everything," you didn't have to go this hard lmao. If something is announced in the first direct of the year for the first half of that same year, it usually isn't something that crazy. These lists kind of back up that point. Not a complaint, just an observation.
FE, Zelda, and (hopefully) Pikmin will probably be the bigger tentpoles of the first half with smaller things sprinkled in between but they could always surprise us.
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A large part of me is starting to believe that Switch 2 is NOT BC.
I believe they do apologize. And State going ”forward” Nintendo will utilize BC in the future.
I think they could repackage Switch titles as “4k Ultra” packages instead of “Deluxe” editions on Switch.
Games like Mario odyssey, xeno 1-3, Animal crossing, Smash, Mario kart 8, Bayo 1-3, all are ported over with additional content Or All dlc included With increased framerates, graphics, etc.
It would allow Nintendo to fill out its release schedule yet again as well. A mix of new and recycled content
I believe they do apologize. And State going ”forward” Nintendo will utilize BC in the future.
I think they could repackage Switch titles as “4k Ultra” packages instead of “Deluxe” editions on Switch.
Games like Mario odyssey, xeno 1-3, Animal crossing, Smash, Mario kart 8, Bayo 1-3, all are ported over with additional content Or All dlc included With increased framerates, graphics, etc.
It would allow Nintendo to fill out its release schedule yet again as well. A mix of new and recycled content
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Why would you start to believe this now? There are fewer obstacles to BC now then there were between the Wii U and Switch thanks to Nvidia. Nintendo have already discussed their unified account system and how it's easier to incorporate BC than ever.
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No console manufacturer actually likes abandoning backwards compatibility. They know it's a selling point and they know there's backlash when it happens. Nintendo even shelled out big cash for hardware on Wii U that would allow for BC from Wii.
For obvious reasons, the Switch could not incorporate BC from a disc-based console. They were also able to enjoy success rereleasing Wii U titles as if they were new, given how small the Wii U userbase is. That won't work on Switch 2.
For obvious reasons, the Switch could not incorporate BC from a disc-based console. They were also able to enjoy success rereleasing Wii U titles as if they were new, given how small the Wii U userbase is. That won't work on Switch 2.
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Considering games like Mario Maker 2 and Switch Sports are some of the best selling games not just on the Switch, but that Nintendo has ever released, no you don't get to move the goal post. There has literally been a big game announced every year by Nintendo in the first half of a year for release during that time window, just because they don't interest you like the farming games you took an unnecessary shot at doesn't mean they aren't big games.
LoneRanger
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Pikmin 4 screams to be a holiday 2023 title as they didn’t show barely a logo.
As for first half, there is still empty april and june, usually they like to release a non enthusiastic audience game, it can be everybody’s 1 2 switch, a new style saavy or whatever. In addition, I can ser AW1+2 remakes being (hopefully) redated for next april.
My guess for june title is f-zero gx remaster or new 2d mario, whatever is very likely they will announced it at winter direct (february?).
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I'm perfectly fine with the first months of the year. It's stacked even, so I'm not really worried about the reminder of H1 release schedule, and with the 2nd half of H1 filling up slowly over the next few months I cant say I am worried in the slightest - in fact it's already too much.
A trio of Zelda, Octopath and Silksong in H1 is hard to beat, and sprinkle in Theatrhythm Final Bar Line, Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon, Tales of Symphonia HD, Trails, MK DLC and I have a feast. And there's even more I didnt count.
I do think there's a 2D Mario coming this year, but I dont think it's going to be releasing a month after Zelda - that would make the two biggest new Nintendo releases of the year releasing back to back in the middle of the year. I think Mario + Pokemon DLC would make a stellar holiday lineup though so that's my guess =)
A trio of Zelda, Octopath and Silksong in H1 is hard to beat, and sprinkle in Theatrhythm Final Bar Line, Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon, Tales of Symphonia HD, Trails, MK DLC and I have a feast. And there's even more I didnt count.
I do think there's a 2D Mario coming this year, but I dont think it's going to be releasing a month after Zelda - that would make the two biggest new Nintendo releases of the year releasing back to back in the middle of the year. I think Mario + Pokemon DLC would make a stellar holiday lineup though so that's my guess =)
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Yes, Miyamoto did state that, he also stated BC was not a focus. (If I am not mistaken).
I believe that games like Mario Tennis Aces, Mario Golf Super Rush, Mario Strikers, and Switch Sports are PURPOSELY left unfinished because it is a foundational piece that will be completed with the "Ultra or Deluxe" version on next hardware. Why would a game like Mario Golf have less features on Switch than on 3ds version? MAYBE...just maybe, it was the plan all along!
I also believe Pokemon Arcesus, Bayo 3, Mario Odyssey are like this as well.
Nintendo could double dip again with Smash, MK8D, AC and release a complete edition with all DLC and possibly an additional character or two built in.
I personally believe the narrative that when nintendo and Nvidia came up with the Switch concept. They had no forward thinking for the future, as it was a knee-jerk reaction to the Wii U. Yes, it is possible to make it BC, but... if it is easier to make changes to the next hardware to secure more AAA 3rd party titles from ps5/xbox and allow companies like Namco and Tecmo an easier time to help Nintendo make 1st party titles, then that is the route Nintendo will go.
I believe Nintendo thinks securing certain AAA 3rd parties are a MUST going forward. I believe Fortnite, EA FC, Madden, COD, Red dead or GTA are a must. League of Legends or WoW also...if the rumors are true.
Nintendo devs made Fifa for Switch. (That Kit and Krysta podcast talks about Kit being on the Fifa team).
I believe Madden for whatever reason will not run on OG switch. Even an older version. They want that going forward. Same with Fortnite. They will want Fortnite and COD at 60 fps.
Again, this has been where my mind wanders for more than a year now.
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I also believe DF that Switch Pro was real and canceled. (Chip and component shortage, supply chain slowdowns, inflation).
Mario Rabbids Sparks of Hope
Bayonetta 3
Splatoon 3
Pokemon Arcesus
The rumored MP1R, and rated Batman trilogy, and Borderlands 3
All seem tailored made for Switch Pro and when it was canceled, those games above were scaled back to run on OG Switch. Which is why we had the BULLSHOTS in the beginning from Splatoon 3, and Mario Rabbids Sparks of Hope. They were quietly shown on new hardware that was unannounced then DELAYED and downgraded to run on OG hardware. Which is why they don't run as well as we expected.
Sometimes I feel like DF does this for attention, to rake more views on their Q&A. They got their rush since that time when people implied the ToTK trailer couldn't be running on current gen and now they want more of it.
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because Nintendo and its partners are basically scraping by in a software crisis caused by the demands of HD development and, in recent years, the pandemic
there is no hope for them "finishing" these games with new hardware. games are just harder to make
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I think it's disingenuous to suggest that DF has a pre-show chat where they decide to stir the pot. Shawn commented in earnest that the clouds look volumetric which is not something he had seen on Switch. In the follow-up video it was discussed that they could be billboarded, but that Link jumping through a cloud still looks volumetric*. Off-hand comments shouldn't be construed as being any more than that, which was the entire point of the follow-up segment.
*The unstated implication is that Nintendo has created a cloud engine that works on Switch thats good enough for their TotK needs.
This please, I would love to see physical cartridges with the base game and DLC. I repurchased Splatoon 2, BOTW, and the SWSH games when they released them.
Tentacle-tropes
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He never said the bolded; that was used as a clickbait headline. The poster posted the exact quote that your talking about.
Suffice to say Nintendo is very much interested in bc & have stated it multiple times almost the entirety of the Switch lifespan. Their history with bc has been consistent in the past; and strategy wise it really wouldn’t be that different from what we see with MS/Sony with game releases. I’m not sure where all this hand wringing over Nintendo not doing bc has come from other than “Nintendo gonna Nintendo.” Which isn’t conducive to any type of discussion because that sentiment is just overly pessimistic in the worst ways.
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That may be. I did not read it on the Nintendo website directly. You very well may be right.
As for what @Raccoon. Raccoon makes a valid point about Nintendo and developmental challenges with HD. Yet, they have done this very thing in the past on several different occasions, to up the profit on particular titles that did not perform as Nintendo desired.
I am not trying to "stir the pot". But if you all think that it is NOT POSSIBLE for Nintendo to have BC next gen, you are mistaken, or blinded by some sort of misguided loyalty. I am not a Nintendo Slappy. I personally DO NOT THINK the stock is a buying opportunity at this time.
I don't think Nintendo has the "Midus Touch" always. Yet, I think Nintendo has done a far BETTER JOB protecting kids and younger audiences from the Online issues that lurk on other platforms. This is one area, I expect nintendo to keep doubling down on. Despite what
I also think Nintendo has a wonderful opportunity to expand its educational software. Even puzzle games like Picross, have been an absolute gem this generation. While, I doubt they have generated tons of revenue, these types of things (Labo, Picross), games that have educational value, I hope they continue.
I also think with the creation of HD2D, Nintendo has a WONDERFUL opportunity to return to the games of yesterday with a new coat of paint and quality of life improvements.
But even with these "opportunities" going forward. Certain things nintendo has done are bad, and need to be rectified going forward. NO ONE, can sit here and say the built quality of the hardware is near as good as previous generations. Hopefully the next model improves upon this.
Nintendo Online is very much a work in progress, but I actually feel it is a pretty good value now, provided the user likes older titles. The quality of servers must be improved though.
I could keep going....long story short....Nintendo has plenty of questions to answer for going forward. I do not think it is a forgone conclusion that BC is included. If the people on this forum can't have a rational conversation and look at both sides of the argument. What are we doing here?
Tentacle-tropes
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I’m just gonna cut out most of this since it’s not really relevant to the conversation you want to have. We are having a rational conversation about Nintendo and BC. Is it possible for Nintendo to not have BC. Sure. However, that would be a massive blunder for which I have heard no good reasons for outside of because Nintendo-boiled down to because reasons. The only way I see it feasibly not happening is if Nvidia &/or Nintendo could not get it working or to their standards. What are we doing here indeed since the conversation is mostly one sided slanted in the favor of Nintendo doing BC.
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My belief in Switch 2 BC has nothing to do with "loyalty" for Nintendo, being a Nintendo "Slappy" (??), buying stock, or ignoring arguments. I'm not even sure how most of what you said in your post is related to or mutually exclusive with BC.
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My point was, Nintendo has plenty of questions to answer. These questions will be addressed this coming year.
I do NOT believe BC is an absolute until Nintendo says it is. In fact, making any assumptions about the future is silly and all sides of the argument should be explored.
Regardless if you are a fan, investor, parent of nintendo user, or consumer yourself, there is a conversation to be had.
I understand your point that you assume it MUST have BC. Hypothetically, if it doesn't though. For whatever reason...how does this community respond? I am just asking out of curiosity.
Famiboards after all, is the "wine tasters" of the Nintendo community. And one of the busiest Nintendo forum boards (both good & bad). You all have in the past deeply discussed Nintendo possibilities.
How do you all respond? Is it deal breaker? Do you not care? Is it tradable in your eyes for better 3rd party support?
What say you all?
EDIT: I always thought this site was welcoming of Nintendo possibilities and concepts. If it is not welcoming, then I was mistaken.
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If BC was not included I would be bummed for sure, but not a deal breaker.
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What is a Nintendo Slappy?
JorgenRaft
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No one is moving a goal post? I literally just said “general idea” from the start. September directs always show that and sometimes the spring direct will have a bigger surprise but usually not. Just expected things like ports or Mario sports.
Obviously we’re not only getting farm sims, that’s a joke.
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That's what I gather, but a shit show ensued with that one guy making some accusations that didn't align with facts causing some toxicity.
I look forward to whenever Nate is free to share the details he has, probably in 2023 sometime at this point. Sad to see him consider leaving this place mostly behind should he make that choice, but there is only so much you can handle at times.
I realize for me I bring scrutiny onto myself and that anytime a video of mine appears here it's so people can laugh and make fun of it. It's life. Lurking is sometimes what's most enjoyable.
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At a time where both Sony and Microsoft are offering various levels of backwards compatibility with their previous generation of consoles and a shared store and subscription infrastructure, and also at a time where smartphones offer a continuous app store allowing people to download old apps provided the developers support them still, Nintendo abandoning BC and starting fresh with a Switch 2, locking people out of their Switch 1 libraries, would be a pretty boneheaded decision on their part.
The market's moved on, people are far less accepting of starting afresh with a brand new library then they once were
The market's moved on, people are far less accepting of starting afresh with a brand new library then they once were
Tentacle-tropes
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This site is welcoming to possibilities & concepts, however they gotta have some substance to them. Often the reasoning given for no bc is suspect at best & a non-factor at worst. Your having the conversation you want just people aren’t exactly agreeing to it.
The question to me isn’t exactly an interesting one. Not having bc is just an objective blunder full stop. There’s no benefit to not including it & all downside.
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I understand your point. But upon further investigation. Look at Miyamoto s comments again. Also look at all the different websites and new outlets writing about this. It is a serious question.
The media is certainly split on if BC will be included. As I mentioned before, I won’t assume anything until Nintendo clarifies.
That being said, I actually wonder if Miyamoto comments were referring to NSO accounts and catalogs of titles. There certainly could be interpreted that way.
Again though, BC is probably the #1 wanted feature by many.
I am sure Nintendo will have to comment on this by April financial briefing. I don’t think non descriptive answers will work any longer.
The conversation is worth having, or at the very least acknowledging even if it is an annoying topic at this time.
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I personally think it would be foolish to not include BC. Unless architecture changes don’t allow for it.
That said from my perspective, I don’t know if we need BC this time. It would certainly be the last time though. But there would have to be some sort of PAYOFF to the consumer for no BC. It will be interesting to see if that happens.
And not that it matters. My logic says BC will be included, the pessimist in me says it will not be and they will alter specs to get Xbox/ps5 ports easier than Switch had. And the Nintendo wizards will just Re-release 1st party software like the Deluxe versions on Switch.
Again though, I think it is best or wait for Nintendo confirmation.
Tentacle-tropes
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Miyamoto’s comments are fairly straight forward so I’m not sure what else I am supposed to get from it. If the media is having issues with this type of answer then that’s on them. Would it be nice if Nintendo clarified? Sure. But, I’m not expecting them to talk about it further until they are ready
We can acknowledge it but Nintendo has a history with bc & has been talking about it for 5yrs now. But, if this conversation wants to go further then it has, then the ‘no bc’ side has to bring something substantial to the table.
The Switch is the last time that Nintendo could do this. They cannot do what they did with WiiU-Switch. This to me is the reason why the conversation isn’t all that interesting. What exactly would the payoff be for not having bc? Their own numbers don’t even support it.
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If Nintendo was actually moving to an App Store or Google play store account system with some form of guarantee that these apps will work going forward. I could see this as an acceptable trade off. If they did this though, I think we would all expect them to pour money into online infrastructure and actually be up to par with at least Sony.
I also don’t think Nintendo could resell “ultra or deluxe” complete versions of games for anymore than $39.99-$49.99. Despite getting enhancements or DLC added in.
I expect new Switch 2 games will be priced competitively similar to ps5/Xbox games. So if new games are $69.99 or $79.99, that is what I expect from Switch 2 as well.
I personally don’t believe they can charge this for Ultra Deluxe versions though. Again, just my opinion. I’m just don’t see it.
I actually think we will see Nate, Nintendo prime, and other outlets tell about this soon. Especially in January as they look forward to 2023. I also suspect we will soon again see something from a financial outlet like WSJ, Bloomberg, etc.
The more time that goes by, I am starting to expect that Switch 2 resembles a more sophisticated Steam Deck.
I’m sure we hear some things soon-ish.
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re: BC, I suspect that the Switch's lack of BC is a big reason why 3DS software sales declined so precipitously after its launch compared to Nintendo's past handhelds, which were able to sunset more gracefully since their software was playable on their successor.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2...e_sales_show_the_consoles_slow_death_in_japan
With consoles, you can usually find a a way to keep the old thing around and hooked up to a TV alongside the new one, and it's not a big deal to cycle the inputs or whatever. Handhelds are different in that they're often traveling, which means that actively using multiple handheld systems is more difficult; you need to juggle two sets of cases, chargers, etc, which are at risk of being lost and take up room in your bag that could be used to carry more important things
Switch has a deep library, and if its successor doesn't have BC, many more people will have to choose between exploring that further versus investing in the new system, and that's not a choice Nintendo wants their customers to have to make if they can help it. It is more profitable for Nintendo if you can have your cake and eat it too in this regard
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2...e_sales_show_the_consoles_slow_death_in_japan
With consoles, you can usually find a a way to keep the old thing around and hooked up to a TV alongside the new one, and it's not a big deal to cycle the inputs or whatever. Handhelds are different in that they're often traveling, which means that actively using multiple handheld systems is more difficult; you need to juggle two sets of cases, chargers, etc, which are at risk of being lost and take up room in your bag that could be used to carry more important things
Switch has a deep library, and if its successor doesn't have BC, many more people will have to choose between exploring that further versus investing in the new system, and that's not a choice Nintendo wants their customers to have to make if they can help it. It is more profitable for Nintendo if you can have your cake and eat it too in this regard
Tentacle-tropes
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Their online infrastructure isn’t a problem from what we have gathered its more the use of it. Their accounts are also fine after they changed it, for the third time, & merged it. The acceptable trade off is the norm that people are looking for. Mobile & PC have done it for ages now. PS/MS are in the process of doing something similar now. Most people expect Nintendo to do something similar to the other two.
Nintendo could very much resell Ultra or Deluxe above 49.99. They’ve done it a bunch this Gen & I don’t expect it to change in the future. It will be dependent on the game though.
If Nintendo went to Nvidia and said "we want bc on our next platform" and Nvidia replied "no, can't be done" the next Switch SOC would come from Qualcomm or somebody else.
I think future compatibility is very likely one of the major reasons Nintendo went into a partnership with Nvidia in the first place.
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I agree with everything you said. Though I think people will have a hard time stomaching Yoshi wooly world Ultra deluxe or Hyrule warriors ultra deluxe for more than $49.99.
Could mk8d, AC, Smash all sell for more? Certainly. Though maybe besides those 3, I would think Nintendo would consider a “Nintendo Selects” type banner for those titles going forward and keep the prices around the same price for all titles.
But we will see. Consumer prices will be a worldwide issue with many countries facing recession or hardships. Consumers disposable income could be very tight for a while to come. They will be looking for perceived bargains.
Actually now that I’m thinking about it. One way to ensure sales of Evergreen titles from Switch era going forward, would be to if Switch 2 was BC and digital only.
It would absolutely work the way you described. But that would be a drastic step for Nintendo. Even though we all know all consoles are headed that way sooner or later.
Tentacle-tropes
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People said the same thing about the full priced ones now yet they still sold. So, I remain unconvinced that the price will be an issue for Ultra or Deluxe games, especially with extras.
Nintendo Selects probably doesn’t exist anymore because of digital. Their yearly holidays sales essentially replaces it there + vouchers, outside US, has given a lot of their games more life.
I doubt Nintendo is going to touch the digital only moniker for a long time. One of their many markets is JP, even with digital inroads, which remains a large physical market.
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I don't understand this BC talk. Given Nintendos history its very unlikely that the Switch successor has no BC.
People who think that Switch successor has no BC should have some arguments, but I see none other than "it could be that Switch 2 has no BC".
The No BC talk is just baseless speculation and a bit silly? I mean it could be that Switch successor is a toaster with a display, but its unlikely.
People who think that Switch successor has no BC should have some arguments, but I see none other than "it could be that Switch 2 has no BC".
The No BC talk is just baseless speculation and a bit silly? I mean it could be that Switch successor is a toaster with a display, but its unlikely.
pelusilla6
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Different architecture so there are 2 options:
1) Adding a second chip (TX1) along with Drake ->expensive and "no" upgrades on games.
2) Emulating and programming every game again to run on Drake -> doable but with a HUGE amount of work in a per game basis. A lot of $$$ and avoiding the 60$ ports from the original Switch so its all up to Nintendo.
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In the time since the Switch launched, both Sony and Xbox have made far bigger pushes for BC and getting more of their retro catalogs available on modern consoles. While it would be "Nintendo as fuck" to start everyone from ground zero again, I really don't think that will happen. Making sure that the succ is backwards compatible isn't just about all the Switch 1 games, but also for all of Nintendo's NES, SNES, and N64 games that are available on NSO/+EP (and Genesis games). Do you really think Nintendo worked out a deal for Goldeneye 007 for a game that would only be available on their platform for about a year before getting left behind for a non bc Switch 2?
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Drake isn't a different architecture from TX1, what the heck. Both are ARM based. And even if they weren't those aren't the only two alternatives here.
From what I gather all the no BC talk comes from the possibility the GPU side of drake wouldn't be compatible with shaders compiled for the TX1. Which, isn't a fully confirmed thing yet, and also is a lot easier to fix than you'd expect. Especially because Nintendo has fixed a similar problem before.
The WiiU offered backwards compatibility with Wii (And technically GC) despite them having a by then exotic shader pipeline using a more conventional GPU by simply adding an extra chip that would interpret the old GPU instructions into something the new GPU could use. That's at the core not that different to what they could need here, and would even let them tweak how those functions work to get free graphical improvements in old games.
That, assuming the compiled shaders thing is even a real problem they're facing, because again, it was born of a couple random rumors and tidbits.
pelusilla6
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Just to add that the GPU issue you mention comes from people who develop CFW.
But yeah, these are rumors.
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Yeah, i remember the first person to mention this was Sciresm. Which, mind you, is a software genius, but i feel he was a bit near sighted hardware wise when he made those comments, because they're not unsurmountable problems.
So if it was mid gen and was supposed to release around now, will the switch gen last 12 years ?
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The second option can be achieved through some kind of automated translation process from Maxwell to Ampere shaders which they may already be doing according to analysis of the leak. All that would need to be done per game is compatibility testing. They'll make back the cost of GPU development through new Switch 2 buyers immediately having access to a huge library of games and continuing to buy current Switch evergreens at $60 with no extra work on Nintendo's part to port them. Downside is the few incompatible games but Nintendo's priority is most likely the most popular titles.
