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Hermii said:
We are still in financial year 2023 (ends in March). They said they will focus on Switch out this financial year.

If you hear nothing by April, then consider 2025.
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That doesn't even matter. They can still announce in March and still be focused on Switch 1. They're certainly not releasing any Switch 2 games before the Switch 2 comes out.
 
Hajeman said:
Ok team 2024 September for a Switch 2. So Jan - Sep 2024 can sell another 6 million maybe
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They can release in September 2024 and still be selling Switch 1 units through 2025. It's a matter of knocking the price down. Lite for $150. Red Box for $250, and OLED for $300. It's a deal.

Hell, if they put off the Switch 2 Lite until they've sold off all the Lite units and stop making Red Box units they won't need to drop the prices.
 
all eyes on March-April then. i think we can pretty much write off any hope of a Q2 launch but September would be nice to get ahead of other things launching around Christmas. it also looks like the last Funcle to say anything may have been on the money.

they'll probably drop WW/TP, MP2/3 over summer to fill the gap.
 
Vash said:
very interesting. TIL
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Dutch to English translation of large numbers is even more interesting haha:

Miljoen -> million
Miljard -> billion
Biljoen -> trillion
Biljard -> quadrillion
Triljoen -> quintillion
Triljard -> sixtillion
Quadriljoen -> septillion

And so on. The English names are missing the (hypothetical) -illiard forms, and so the naming of the powers of 1000 go off the rails 😅
 
bmfrosty said:
They can release in September 2024 and still be selling Switch 1 units through 2025. It's a matter of knocking the price down. Lite for $150. Red Box for $250, and OLED for $300. It's a deal.

Hell, if they put off the Switch 2 Lite until they've sold off all the Lite units and stop making Red Box units they won't need to drop the prices.
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True. Just thinking of this make me smiling. Switch OLED at $300 or even $280 maybe & top crown console sales 💪
 
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bmfrosty said:
He responded to me saying that if we're not being pedantic with pedantry. He knew it. Entirely appropriate response.
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That was a completely unnecessary response to that post. The response he gave was much simpler at getting the idea across, it’s about performance. Responding with “lalalala can’t hear you” is not only childish, but rude. Stop being a dick.
 
HankyPanky said:
all eyes on March-April then. i think we can pretty much write off any hope of a Q2 launch but September would be nice to get ahead of other things launching around Christmas. it also looks like the last Funcle to say anything may have been on the money.

they'll probably drop WW/TP, MP2/3 over summer to fill the gap.
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What was the report from the last funcle
 
bmfrosty said:
He responded to me saying that if we're not being pedantic with pedantry. He knew it. Entirely appropriate response.
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TIL that providing extra information for those who might be interested in a more detailed description is called 'pedantry' in the English language. You learn something new every day.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
That was a completely unnecessary response to that post. The response he gave was much simpler at getting the idea across, it’s about performance. Responding with “lalalala can’t hear you” is not only childish, but rude. Stop being a dick.
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Dakhil would call me out if I wasn't being appropriate here - in private or publically. You are however being aggressive in a way that doesn't suit the tone of the board.
 
bmfrosty said:
Dakhil would call me out if I wasn't being appropriate here - in private or publically. You are however being aggressive in a way that doesn't suit the tone of the board.
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Neither is your response, if you can’t respond without being rude to a person like Dakhil of all people then you shouldn’t respond at all.

I’m completely aware that I’m calling you out, that’s the point, because that was unnecessary of a response.
 
korok said:
The thing is...Nintendo didn't say exactly that. And here, the little words and the nuances matter. A lot.
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it's possible nintendo has some big switch 1 titles to release this year like Prime 4, FE4 remake, possibly new DK, etc...
so they'd save Switch 2 next year with either a Mario or a Pokemon launch title
 
Nearly four years late to this but apparently someone modded a 3D touch capacitive trackpad into the joy con already, swapping it out for the analog stick.

It's jank but interesting to see something like this working in real time, and cool for something made by a modder in his spare time (i.e. during quarantine :()

Nintendo have a couple of options for capactive surfaces on joy con that wouldn't involve swapping out the analog stick - larger joy-cons could fit a little trackpad,use the shoulder buttons for 'scrolling' haptic feedback, they could use the diamond face / d buttons as a shared surface like in that patent, and so on... I would like to see any sort of additive touch implementation.
 
So apparently the Switch is the best selling console ever in Japan now.

Also, my uncle was at the meeting and Furukaw mentioned they're not releasing shit until we go out and buy 16m more Switches to get that top spot

Source:
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seyfeselassie said:
How prevalent/popular was 4N 2-3 years ago, assuming tapeout was determined around 2021-22.
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4N didn't exist till 2022. It's a customized process specifically for Nvidia's use, and it debuted with RTX 4090 in October of 2022.

The 5nm node that it is based on had it's first products roll out in October 2020, starting with the newest (at the time) iPhones. In general, high end phones and GPUs move to new process nodes first, because the early customers for those products will pay huge prices, which compensates for how buggy the initial launch of a new node often is.

For a modern portable device, the node basically never exists before the chip does. There are subnodes and micro-updates to existing processes. And for devices which don't need the most advanced node, you don't design for an older node. Instead, you just use an older chip that was designed for a then-top-of-the-line node that has become cheap. That whole process helps subsidize the cost of these annual, high-cost chip designs.

There is no other product that fits into the Switch's niche, so there is no "normal" here. Tablets don't have a 7 year shelf life like a console, certainly not while targeting a launch price sub-500 USD. They don't have chips that are never destined for other products, they're not built for GPU performance first.

But consoles aren't built around tight battery, heating, and space requirements. They don't start with size and power draw and work backwards to performance. And for Sony and Microsoft, they're not built to be profitable! They're built to entice folks away from the other guy, so that they can make money on software sales.

One of the reasons we've gone in circles so many times on this is because you can't clearly look at existing examples to get a feel for the likely moves by Nintendo.
 
ILikeFeet said:
Timothy Lottes got laid off at Unity. Creator of FXAA, helped implement FSR, and help created Unity's STP. Absolutely absurd, IMO

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This seems penny-wise and pound-foolish. If Unity were smart, they'd be betting that they could offload their upscaling entirely to FSR/DLSS/XeSS, and that they don't need to invest in active research in that area.

Unity is not that smart and they're just letting go of their long term technology investment to shore up the short term returns, while Unreal continue to pave over them, and Godot becomes a viable indie alternative.
 
Bnois said:
Judging by overall silence everywhere, I don’t expect any actual stuff about Switch 2. Doesn’t seem like February is the month. But hey, will be glad to be proven wrong
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GDC may be interesting. Nintendo may announce it during GDC for all we know. They may consider that close enough to their current announce/release plan that if things appear to be leaky enough at GDC, they may just do it.
 
Bnois said:
Judging by overall silence everywhere, I don’t expect any actual stuff about Switch 2. Doesn’t seem like February is the month. But hey, will be glad to be proven wrong
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Depends on what you mean by "actual stuff". There will be "discussions", but don't go in expecting a bunch of "reveals". More just speculations.


(or some reveals framed as speculation perhaps?)

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oldpuck said:
This seems penny-wise and pound-foolish. If Unity were smart, they'd be betting that they could offload their upscaling entirely to FSR/DLSS/XeSS, and that they don't need to invest in active research in that area.

Unity is not that smart and they're just letting go of their long term technology investment to shore up the short term returns, while Unreal continue to pave over them, and Godot becomes a viable indie alternative.
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Not to derail the thread too much, but agreed. For years now Unity has neglected longstanding issues, broken already existing features, got rid of their best talent, and broken the trust of their consumer base. And they continue to double down on all of these.

It's truly baffling, especially in a world where Epic has been fixing issues in that date back to UE4 or even UE3 in newer UE5 versions, and Godot is actively fleshing out and adding new features to make things like 3D rendering easier. Time will tell where things end up, but I can't see Unity being a standard tool in five years unless they somehow manage to correct course, and quickly.
 
While I can understand the reasons to be unsettled by continued silence I don't think it'll be appropriate to actually be concerned until March ends without any news whatsoever. It makes sense that they would hold off on anything till well after this next Direct so as not to take the wind out of its sails before it even starts or immediately after it happens. Once that's out of the way then it's fair to expect news at any time. Nate still seems sure of this being the year so it can't be too long before we finally get something.
 
ILikeFeet said:
Timothy Lottes got laid off at Unity. Creator of FXAA, helped implement FSR, and help created Unity's STP. Absolutely absurd, IMO

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oldpuck said:
This seems penny-wise and pound-foolish. If Unity were smart, they'd be betting that they could offload their upscaling entirely to FSR/DLSS/XeSS, and that they don't need to invest in active research in that area.

Unity is not that smart and they're just letting go of their long term technology investment to shore up the short term returns, while Unreal continue to pave over them, and Godot becomes a viable indie alternative.
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Seems like this prediction has been dead on correct so far:
 
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Hermii said:
We are still in financial year 2023 (ends in March). They said they will focus on Switch out this financial year.

If you hear nothing by April, then consider 2025.
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Just to clarify, he said Switch would be their main business "going into 2024", so doesn't that just mean "It's our focus for now" not exactly for all of 2024? He also said they would discuss their future plans in their next earnings report which means if we don't have a reveal by then we will learn details there. Regardless of that, their main revenue will still probably come from Switch even if Switch 2 does launch. I mean, the install base is massive.
 
Zedark said:
Dutch to English translation of large numbers is even more interesting haha:

Miljoen -> million
Miljard -> billion
Biljoen -> trillion
Biljard -> quadrillion
Triljoen -> quintillion
Triljard -> sixtillion
Quadriljoen -> septillion

And so on. The English names are missing the (hypothetical) -illiard forms, and so the naming of the powers of 1000 go off the rails 😅
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It's probably "quadrillion" instead of "billiard" to avoid confusion with the game billiards.
 
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