StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)

[Giancarlo]

I like the OLED a lot but I'm way more worried the thickness of the tablet lol

and i worried, will Switch sucessor make my hands hurt after long extended period of playing? and specially backward compatibly, i want to play my Bayonetta 3, Monster Hunter Rise at 1080p/4K 60fps(locked on Bayonetta 3 case)

 

[Giancarlo]

It's gonna feel really weird once this thread finally closes in the next few months. Wasn't this one of the first threads every created for the site? It's definitely the longest running.

theres still the successor of the successor of the successor of Nintendo Switch for us all to see/cover, this thread should be permanent to cover all future Nintendo consoles, until the end of times.

 

[LukasManak22]

I can't wait to play Mario Kart I Deluxe Deluxe on my 8 inch Switch 2

 

[korok]

The vast majority of Switch users have a V1/V2 Switch or a Switch Lite. A 1080p LCD screen is not going to be perceived as a downgrade by them. And a lot of potential consumers don't care aboute the panel technology either. I don't think it's going to be a big issue, really.

 

[Zedark]

I have tried playing tabletop 2-player split-screen co-op in MK8DX, but I've found it to be a touch too small to be able to play it well on the 6.2 inch Switch screen. Perhaps an 8 inch panel will be just large enough for this to work

 

[EdFiftyNine]

I love my OLED Switch but I’m not too upset. I just hope we don’t have an OG Switch sized bezel.

Hopefully the floodgates open now!

 

[Shiba]

8 inches is too big, might as well not call it a handheld at this point.

Hope the Lite is massively smaller.

 

[YolkFolk]

man is that gonna stink

the market is the market I guess

How come? Unless the actual unit is thicker it won't feel majorly different than the OLED (which itself wasn't much bigger than the OG) presuming the joy-cons are of a similar shape & style.

I think sometimes people confuse portable vs pocket size. I genuinely don't think there will be much difference in terms of portability and even during handheld play - hell, it could even be more comfortable.

 

[carbvan]

How come? Unless the actual unit is thicker it won't feel majorly different than the OLED (which itself wasn't much bigger than the OG) presuming the joy-cons are of a similar shape & style.

Wait this makes me think - are the joycon being resized? Are they going to make have to make l o n g joycons now?

 

[YolkFolk]

Wait this makes me think - are the joycon being resized? Are they going to make have to make l o n g joycons now?

It seems likely there will be a new joy con design.

 

[carbvan]

It seems likely there will be a new joy con design.

I wonder if that kills backwards compatibility for switch 1 joycons then? Obviously if the new joycons are bigger, the old ones won't fit in the Switch 2. But if the design is so different it might be possible switch 1 joycons aren't even compatible at all.

 

[majimazio]

It is not impossible to increase the screen size while keeping the joycon size.

 

[Evil Lucario]

I wonder if that kills backwards compatibility for switch 1 joycons then? Obviously if the new joycons are bigger, the old ones won't fit in the Switch 2. But if the design is so different it might be possible switch 1 joycons aren't even compatible at all.

Even if you wouldn't be able to charge them off the console (which is not always the case), I absolutely bet they could still connect wirelessly.

 

[ACE+]

8-inch screen sounds awesome. More screen real-estate means bigger body, which means a bigger battery and potentially more mass to dissipate heat into (both allowing higher clocks?). Though, I worry about the portability of it; it would be bigger and heavier.

The Playstation Portal is not exactly a portable machine. The bezels will have to be kept thin for a more compact handheld.
That said, I am not much of a handheld user, but still a point worth bringing attention to.

Regarding the screen being an LCD display doesn't make it a deal breaker for me. A sharper screen is already very nice. A color accurate one makes it even better. An OLED display would be ideal.

 

[chocolate_supra]

It is not impossible to increase the screen size while keeping the joycon size.

Wait my photoshopped joke came true???


. . .

*photoshops an affordable house*

 

[Darknut85]

8-inch screen sounds awesome. More screen real-estate means bigger body, which means a bigger battery and potentially more mass to dissipate heat into (both allowing higher clocks?). Though, I worry about the portability of it; it would be bigger and heavier.

The Playstation Portal is not exactly a portable machine. The bezels will have to be kept thin for a more compact handheld.
That said, I am not much of a handheld user, but still a point worth bringing attention to.

Regarding the screen being an LCD display doesn't make it a deal breaker for me. A sharper screen is already very nice. A color accurate one makes it even better. An OLED display would be ideal.

In my opinion a 7 to 7.5 inch camshell would be perfect, the screen is big enough and it‘s still portable (maybe even more than Switch). The Bloomberg report is probably right but I don‘t really trust them though.

 

[Lugia667]

I assume the article said nothing about bc?

 

[Darknut85]

I assume the article said nothing about bc?

Nope. And I‘m not really sure how much of it is only predictions and what are facts (and how accurate are they?).

 

[carbvan]

I assume the article said nothing about bc?

Just screen size bc the investigation stemmed from a company getting 14 million LCD panels ordered.

 

[Bonejack]

Nope. And I‘m not really sure how much of it is only predictions and what are facts (and how accurate are they?).

LCD and the size parts are, IMO(!), likely legit, that's been speculated for a while now. Plus there's apparently hard "data source" going by the article.

Everything else could just be the usual analyst guess work again.

 

[Darknut85]

Just screen size bc the investigation stemmed from a company getting 14 million LCD panels ordered.

Idk, that isn‘t really what I‘d call a „hard fact“. Also Nintendo probably would order more of them to meet the demand and have stock for the next year. I could be wrong. But we also have some smoke for OLED.

 

[pelusilla6]

Now it could be interesting to know to whom Samsung is providing OLED handheld screens this year

 

[Thombias]

Gut instinct, cheaper screen means they can put that investment elsewhere. I personally think/hope for more RAM as a result.

I think cutting costs in general seems more plausible for this one, Nintendo wants to sell it for no more than 399$/€ and 349£ respectively, so i don't expect them to increase RAM all the way up to 16GB by cheaping out on the screen. For the type of device that the Switch 2 will be it's fair to say 12GB is plenty. I'd be surprised if they settled on 16GB for the final consumer device, as that amount of RAM seems more reasonable for the dev-kit.

I am perfectly fine with a LCD again, because i play docked 95% of the time and can instead spend the money on more storage or another game.

 

[navierStokes]

I was able to try legion go and ROG ally sidebyside.
8.8 inch is bit too big, but the ROG ally @ 7 inches (like the switch OLED) was good. Something in-between would be nice.
Also, Steam Deck, Rog Ally, and Switch OLED have the same screen size, but are completely different in size, so I hope the Switch 2 will just scale linearly.

Moreover, majority of the switch market likely has the LCD model so in a way it’s not a downgrade lol, although due to battery life I don’t think there’ll be HDR .

 

[Darknut85]

OreXda's definitely making an assumption that "portable, foldable gaming devices" mentioned in the article is referring to Nintendo's new hardware, even though Nintendo isn't explicitly mentioned, and the sentence mentioning "portable, foldable gaming devices" seems speculative (assuming the translation below is accurate).

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(The translation's provided by DeepL Translator, with some edits done by yours truly.)

This old rumor is probably as likely as happan as the Bloomberg report. Only because someone ordered 14 million LCDs doesn‘t necessarily mean it‘s for Switch 2.

 

[maniacmaison]

I rather have a LCD and 16 gb of ram than OLED and 12 gb of ram. They can always update the screen in the future, while the ram they choose right now will be the baseline of this generation until it ends. And if it's a 8 inch screen they better make more ergonomic joycons this time.

 

[Hermii]

I rather have a LCD and 16 gb of ram than OLED and 12 gb of ram. They can always update the screen in the future, while the ram they choose right now will be the baseline of this generation until it ends. And if it's a 8 inch screen they better make more ergonomic joycons this time.

You are going to get lcd and 12.

 

[Darknut85]

You are going to get lcd and 12.

Why not 8?

 

[Shareholder Chad]

Bloomberg you son of a bitch...

I love my OLED switch but I wouldn't care too much about Nintendo starting out with an LCD. The most important thing (For everyone) is early hardware adoption and thats heavily influenced by games and price. Once a certain adoption occurs, We get more greenlit projects and if its a similar case to the Ps4/PS5 or X1/XSX then faster hardware adoption means less time getting "hybrid generation" games.

So overall, I'll support whatever decision Nintendo makes to get these things sell. After a year or two, I want the OLED screen back lol

 

[ITSMILNER]

Why not 8?

8" Screen
8gb RAM
8 Games at launch
coming 2028

 

[ziggyrivers]

So, February Direct and March reveal?

Or reveal the week after Direct, seeing as how it's technically when the Chinese Lunar New Year ends?

 

[Ozzie]

Nikkei is now reporting the same

Edit: apparently it's reporting the analyst not their own sources

 

[crazybenjamin]

8" Screen
8gb RAM
8 Games at launch
coming 2028

Don't forget the 8 core CPU!

 

[thegodsend]

Nikkei is now reporting the same

Not based on own sources, they both just report the analyst finding.

 

[YolkFolk]

How would unpatched Switch games running at sub 720p look on the 8" 1080p Switch 2 screen?

 

[ILikeFeet]

Don't forget the 8 core CPU!

And 8SM gpu

 

[Ozzie]

Not based on own sources, they both just report the analyst finding.

Ah fair enough

 

[Darknut85]

How would unpatched Switch games running at sub 720p look on the 8" 1080p Switch 2 screen?

Some Switch games run at 540p.

 

[NintendoMariah]

 

[BreakAtmo]

They‘ll probably crank up screen resolution to 1200-1440p while docked mode will technically support 8K but it won’t be used much.

I really, really hope not. I've argued that the jump from 720p to 1080p is worthwhile mainly because of DLSS allowing it to be used at a lower performance cost, but I firmly believe that for handheld gaming they need to stop there. Going higher than 1080p for Switch 3 would be a total waste, and they need to focus on using future battery and cooling tech to make a 15W handheld with a 30-40W docked mode that can manage path-tracing.

 

[Darknut85]

I really, really hope not. I've argued that the jump from 720p to 1080p is worthwhile mainly because of DLSS allowing it to be used at a lower performance cost, but I firmly believe that for handheld gaming they need to stop there. Going higher than 1080p for Switch 3 would be a total waste, and they need to focus on using future battery and cooling tech to make a 15W handheld with a 30-40W docked mode that can manage path-tracing.

I‘m pretty sure they‘ll up the resolution (even if they don‘t go to full 2K), but 1440p screens will probably be cheap by then.

 

[Baobab]

From that Bloomberg tweet:
Exclusive: Nintendo will launch next-gen game console with 8-inch LCD, lifting up demand for display panels by 14.6 million units, Omdiay says.

I am very interested in that 14.6 million units.
Could we work out the approximate release date of the next Switch based on that number of units?
Of course it depends on whether the number refers to the calendar year 2024 or the fiscal year (i.e. until March 2025).

How many switches were produced in 2017?

 

[Darknut85]

From that Bloomberg tweet:
Exclusive: Nintendo will launch next-gen game console with 8-inch LCD, lifting up demand for display panels by 14.6 million units, Omdiay says.

I am very interested in that 14.6 million units.
Could we work out the approximate release date of the next Switch based on that number of units?
Of course it depends on whether the number refers to the calendar year 2024 or the fiscal year (i.e. until March 2025).

How many switches were produced in 2017?

I don‘t know, but about 15 millions were sold 2017

 

[navierStokes]

How would unpatched Switch games running at sub 720p look on the 8" 1080p Switch 2 screen?

Depends, some games have dynamic res, so I expect them to hold up well (720p scaled to 1080p) and maybe use the docked profile for switch games (900p - dynamic res).

But if there's no AA present, which is the case in a number of games, then you'll very much notice the pixelated edges, which might not look as pretty on a 1080p display v.s. 720p on the switch.

If you had a 4k TV you could already experience the gap of such a large resolution discrepancy although on a smaller screen some of that is not as apparent.

I don't think there'll be much messing around in B.C. mode to adjust that (e.g. applying post-processing), but it's something you have to live with on console platforms.

Maybe Nintendo can utilise some of NVIDIA tools such as spatial upscaling + sharpening to mitigate that, but doing that with a low internal resolution resolution has its limit on how good it'll resolve.

 

[karmitt]

I don‘t know, but about 15 millions were sold 2017

That was off the back of Wii U. This is going to be hard to get this year, isn’t it…

 

[Darknut85]

That was off the back of Wii U. This is going to be hard to get this year, isn’t it…

I think they‘ll even surpass it. There‘s a really big demand from Switch owners…

… granted they‘ve backwards compatibility and don‘t mess up the marketing.

 

[navierStokes]

That was off the back of Wii U. This is going to be hard to get this year, isn’t it…

I have my gym sessions fully booked to click that buy button as fast as possible. Finger curls and lifts all day.

 

[Darknut85]

I have my gym sessions fully booked to click that buy button as fast as possible. Finger curls and lifts all day.

Fun Fact: If all Famiboard members switch 2 Switch 2 day one, it‘ll be only about 5000 Switch 2’s.

 

[karmitt]

I think they‘ll even surpass it. There‘s a really big demand from Switch owners…

… granted they‘ve backwards compatibility and don‘t mess up the marketing.

I was getting at the fact that 14.6 is less than the 15 million Switch did in 2017. So either they’re producing less or I’m misunderstanding the numbers.

 

[Darknut85]

I was getting at the fact that 14.6 is less than the 15 million Switch did in 2017. So either they’re producing less or I’m misunderstanding the numbers.

They still could order more in the future.