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Dizzle said:
Are u springin Springsteen on my bean?

But wait, that was on Nebraska which came out in 1982, right?
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...once I got the notification on my phone that someone replied I suddenly realized I had done goofed 😅 Admittedly Nebraska is only a recent vinyl acquisition of his I got from VMP so I haven't had a chance to listen to the studio version all that much (let alone forgot it was even recorded when I first posted)

I also need to utilize "springin' steen on my bean" in more casual conversation

lattjeful said:
I believe so. Think Brofield is just referring to this live performance.
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As a self-professed fan of the Boss, yeah I'll take the L for messing up the factoid 😅 But the point remains! People will always find a reason to believe!

Dizzle said:
Ah, gotcha. Misread that. Anyway, fantastic live album. I have it on vinyl. Great covers of War and This Land is Your Land, too. Incredible version of my favorite song, Promised Land.
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Promised Land is also my favourite rendition on this collection, it's probably got more plays on my Spotify than the original haha. I found a used copy of the LP boxset in pretty decent condition some years ago on a trip to Montreal, and later found out when I got home that whoever sold it to the shop forgot a Springsteen interview vinyl disc inside it as well haha. Best $25 I've spent!
 
Apenknul said:
Okay, since this topic is pretty much active all the time, and I didn't check it in some time. Could anyone give me a summary about why there is a possible reveal coming soon? And why those are the possible sizes of the new Joycons?

I'm also a bit sick. Got a bit of the flu, and can't concentrate on pages of dozen of comments, so it would be much appreciated if it ain't a bother.
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I’m condensing a LOT but: Nintendo has been shipping a lot of manufacturing bits around according to some publicly available shipping documentation, which, if compared to the timelines of OLED model production, means mass production might be starting soon, so they’ll want to announce it to get ahead of leaks. Also next week is the investor meeting.
 
Concernt said:
Not at all, if anything colours would improve sideways mode!
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how? they would never be true

or they’d have to recolor the buttons in-game for every possible controller configuration, which seems more confusing than anything!

if the controller button colors are supposed to help clarify, how would constantly swapping them not be a huge problem?
 
Apenknul said:
Okay, since this topic is pretty much active all the time, and I didn't check it in some time. Could anyone give me a summary about why there is a possible reveal coming soon? And why those are the possible sizes of the new Joycons?

I'm also a bit sick. Got a bit of the flu, and can't concentrate on pages of dozen of comments, so it would be much appreciated if it ain't a bother.
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Nintendo has shareholder meeting on November 7.

Nintendo had just announced Mario Kart 8D wave 6 courses, leaving November 7 week open.

We see greatly increased customs data activity in month of August, that cannot be tied to any current-gen Nintendo hardware. Looks like parts that might go into "beta product" (a step or two before final assembly). We do have basis of reference/comparison with SWOLED, finding similar data in 2021 to validate our own findings. We can only see data up to end of August, so what happened between then and now?

Those customs data entries contain references to game controllers, L and R (left and right), with dimensions. Thus where the sizes discussion is coming from.

To summarize a few things but I'm probably leaving some important details out.
 
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I sure hope something is imminent, my launch day Switch fans have been getting really loud (I might have to look into replacing them myself) At least I'm able to use my Switch Lite to share games with myself.
Now I'm wondering if they're going to keep the Switch name as a line of consoles like the Gameboy, or use a new name (which would be interesting to see)
 
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Brofield said:
...once I got the notification on my phone that someone replied I suddenly realized I had done goofed 😅 Admittedly Nebraska is only a recent vinyl acquisition of his I got from VMP so I haven't had a chance to listen to the studio version all that much (let alone forgot it was even recorded when I first posted)

I also need to utilize "springin' steen on my bean" in more casual conversation


As a self-professed fan of the Boss, yeah I'll take the L for messing up the factoid 😅 But the point remains! People will always find a reason to believe!


Promised Land is also my favourite rendition on this collection, it's probably got more plays on my Spotify than the original haha. I found a used copy of the LP boxset in pretty decent condition some years ago on a trip to Montreal, and later found out when I got home that whoever sold it to the shop forgot a Springsteen interview vinyl disc inside it as well haha. Best $25 I've spent!
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So Springin Springsteen on My Bean is actually an album by album podcast. They just got to Nebraska, so I assumed you were listener.

I'd actuslly recommend that you not listen. It's the most digressive podcast I've ever heard. I usually skip an hour of content every ep.

But what I did learn is a rumor that next year for the 40th of Born in the USA they're gonna do a big box set featuring the unreleased demos of Born in the USA tracks in the Nebraska style and Nebraska songs in the full E Street Band style.

Anyway, back on topic, I think the speculators are not as delusional as the characters in Reason to Believe, but I guess we'll see!
 
Suswave said:
how? they would never be true

or they’d have to recolor the buttons in-game for every possible controller configuration, which seems more confusing than anything!

if the controller button colors are supposed to help clarify, how would constantly swapping them not be a huge problem?
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They’d need two sets of icons: one for upright and one for sideways. You never hold it upside down or sideways (rail downward).

The colour buttons would be easier for readability over the lettering because if you’re holding the controller sideways, the lettering is sideways, but there ain’t no such thing as “sideways blue” (YET)

It’d be a lot easier to tell a new-to-games player to “press blue” than “press A” or “press the rightmost button” and have them intuit which one to press
 
Some of you may call this semantics, but the idea that Nintendo is purposefully leaving a week "open" is so silly. As if it's unheard of to have a whole month with not a lot going on, let alone a week!
 
D36 said:
Well this is embarrassing......
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What avatar bet did you lose? Cannot possibly be H1 vs H2 avatar bet, we don't know the result yet, lol.

wikiales said:
Some of you may call this semantics, but the idea that Nintendo is purposefully leaving a week "open" is so silly. As if it's unheard of to have a whole month with not a lot going on, let alone a week!
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You are kind of looking at that in a vacuum. It's not just that, it's a collection of other things like amiibo restocking, and increased customs activity in month of August, with gap of 2 months we don't know what happend between. We shall see.

I'll be happy to say I'm wrong if nothing happens by end of November. That's the whole point of speculating.
 
wikiales said:
Some of you may call this semantics, but the idea that Nintendo is purposefully leaving a week "open" is so silly. As if it's unheard of to have a whole month with not a lot going on, let alone a week!
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If we're being frank, Nintendo has a slightly more active month that usual. They've got two releases this month instead of the usual one. Sure, they're both smaller titles, but Nintendo also had two releases last month also. 4 titles in 2 months is very weird for them. Dare I say it, "It's weird by Nintendo standards".
 
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Derachi said:
They’d need two sets of icons: one for upright and one for sideways. You never hold it upside down or sideways (rail downward).

The colour buttons would be easier for readability over the lettering because if you’re holding the controller sideways, the lettering is sideways, but there ain’t no such thing as “sideways blue” (YET)
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one Joycon goes clockwise and the other goes counterclockwise

there are instances where Left and Right can be one interchangeable controller held upright

it’s gonna get confusing
 
darthdiablo said:
You are kind of looking at that in a vacuum. It's not just that, it's a collection of other things like amiibo restocking, and increased customs activity in month of August, with gap of 2 months we don't know what happend between. We shall see.

I'll be happy to say I'm wrong if nothing happens by end of November. That's the whole point of speculating.
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Well, yeah, we don't have a lot of info either way, so personally I put more stock into the historical trends and such. The speculation is interesting, but I feel like I can't take any of it that seriously. It's all very vague
 
Dizzle said:
So Springin Springsteen on My Bean is actually an album by album podcast. They just got to Nebraska, so I assumed you were listener.

I'd actuslly recommend that you not listen. It's the most digressive podcast I've ever heard. I usually skip an hour of content every ep.
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So it's exactly like their U2 podcast. Then I also second that recommendation to not listen to it.
 
wikiales said:
Well, yeah, we don't have a lot of info either way, so personally I put more stock into the historical trends and such. The speculation is interesting, but I feel like I can't take any of it that seriously. It's all very vague
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Historical trend would point to a November announcement, so..
 
wikiales said:
Some of you may call this semantics, but the idea that Nintendo is purposefully leaving a week "open" is so silly. As if it's unheard of to have a whole month with not a lot going on, let alone a week!
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But the "open" week is not the evidence, it's just the opportunity to see if that evidence turns out being true. No one has said that an empty weak is uncommon or definitive proof of something, just that that empty week should be when something happens if all the pieces align correctly.
 
Suswave said:
one Joycon goes clockwise and the other goes counterclockwise

there are instances where Left and Right can be one interchangeable controller held upright

it’s gonna get confusing
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You know

I was genuinely only thinking about one Joy-Con. I forgot there were two!
 
darthdiablo said:
Historical trend would point to a November announcement, so..
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That's also a bit reductive. It's only the Switch that had this timing, consoles tend to almost always launch in November, and the Switch was supposed to launch in November as well. It got delayed slightly for whatever reason, and since Nintendo didn't have time on their side they had no option but to launch it in March. I'd be very surprised if Nintendo had been developing this new console in the same way
 
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korok said:
But the "open" week is not the evidence, it's just the opportunity to see if that evidence turns out being true. No one has said that an empty weak is uncommon or definitive proof of something, just that that empty week should be when something happens if all the pieces align correctly.
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That's fair enough, then. It sounded to me like someone was implying it was evidence, but it's possible I misunderstood
 
wikiales said:
Well, yeah, we don't have a lot of info either way, so personally I put more stock into the historical trends and such. The speculation is interesting, but I feel like I can't take any of it that seriously. It's all very vague
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I’d say that as some others have mentioned typically when you have SEVERAL different indicators that something might be happening. The statistical probability that it was all just confirmation bias and what not becomes increasingly low (although not zero).

I also think an important thing to note is that previously when speculation did not accurately predict a release (namely the rumoured Switch Pro revision) there was still a correlating outcome (switch OLED) and a plausible explanation (The Switch sales were stronger than expected so a more powerful revision wasn’t necessary). From this we can glean that typically when indicators are discovered they can reliably point to SOMETHING. It just turns out that this something is likely to be NG when you look at it through the lens of the circumstantial evidence that has been painstakingly gathered and analysed by several people. So we can expect something soon even if turns out to be something that isn’t NG.

I think that, knowing all this, it would be a little presumptuous to assume people are jumping the gun and are deep in confirmation bias because they think the evidence points to March release while you believe in a different release timeframe just because that sounds like the “more realistic” outcome on the surface. In reality there are fewer indicators pointing to other release windows such as H2 other than that one comment form VGC which doesn’t even directly contradict the H1 release window seeing as they believed that H2 was likely (at the time) but Nintendo wanted to release it earlier if possible. Who’s to say that Nintendo isn’t going to release the console earlier after all.
 
Dizzle said:
So Springin Springsteen on My Bean is actually an album by album podcast. They just got to Nebraska, so I assumed you were listener.

I'd actuslly recommend that you not listen. It's the most digressive podcast I've ever heard. I usually skip an hour of content every ep.

But what I did learn is a rumor that next year for the 40th of Born in the USA they're gonna do a big box set featuring the unreleased demos of Born in the USA tracks in the Nebraska style and Nebraska songs in the full E Street Band style.

Anyway, back on topic, I think the speculators are not as delusional as the characters in Reason to Believe, but I guess we'll see!
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Not for lack of trying, but I really am not a big podcast guy in the first place. I'm a Nate proponent and even then I only catch maybe every other Nintendo-centric episode him and MVG do haha. I'd give it a shot otherwise, but if even you/@Hosermess are also agreeing not to bother listening, maybe for the best 😋

But hey, definitely a fan of rumours for new releases and I've always heard whispers of Electric Nebraska for the longest time. Maybe the Arthur Baker remixes will finally get added to streaming services and I won't have to rely exclusively on my dad's vinyl to listen to them lol
 
Concernt said:
...no they aren't.
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You can certainly make an argument that the lack of credible leaks is reason enough to believe that the announcement is further out than we would like, but it has also been very quiet from the usual inside sources. None of them are indicating that they have the details on when the release is going to happen. Most of them say late 2024 is their guess, but they are clear that it is only their guess and they do not really know. I think the fact that they arent getting these details from their usual sources is causing them to assume it will be later rather than sooner, but I have yet to hear any of them speak on the release timing with any confidence.
 
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Tof said:
I’d say that as some others have mentioned typically when you have SEVERAL different indicators that something might be happening. The statistical probability that it was all just confirmation bias and what not becomes increasingly low (although not zero).

I also think an important thing to note is that previously when speculation did not accurately predict a release (namely the rumoured Switch Pro revision) there was still a correlating outcome (switch OLED) and a plausible explanation (The Switch sales were stronger than expected so a more powerful revision wasn’t necessary). From this we can glean that typically when indicators are discovered they can reliably point to SOMETHING. It just turns out that this something is likely to be NG when you look at it through the lens of the circumstantial evidence that has been painstakingly gathered and analysed by several people. So we can expect something soon even if turns out to be something that isn’t NG.

I think that, knowing all this, it would be a little presumptuous to assume people are jumping the gun and are deep in confirmation bias because they think the evidence points to March release while you believe in a different release timeframe just because that sounds like the “more realistic” outcome on the surface. In reality there are fewer indicators pointing to other release windows such as H2 other than that one comment form VGC which doesn’t even directly contradict the H1 release window seeing as they believed that H2 was likely (at the time) but Nintendo wanted to release it earlier if possible. Who’s to say that Nintendo isn’t going to release the console earlier after all.
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It's not really about the amount of indicators, but their quality. A random user could hop on this board and post "May 25th it's happening" and it would be an indicator of a May release, but an extremely poor one at that. It'd mostly be an indicator for a bored teen.

None of the evidence put forward is as flimsy as that, but it's not all that much better either. I'm unconvinced by the amiibo restock stuff, especially considering the dwindling focus on amiibo. The "open" week next week is not evidence in and of itself. The best pointer for a March launch are the shipping logs, which are very cool and I don't want to away from that, but they're not very good evidence of a March launch. They're compatible with basically every hypothesis about a launch window and, without more inside info on what the logistics are like, it's unlikely we're gonna be able to glean much just from them alone.

What are the pointers for a November launch? Well, consoles typically release during the holiday season. When they don't, it's either a minor revision or a real desperation play (i.e. the Switch). Given that Nintendo is in a very comfortable position right now, why would they want to launch a console in March again? Hell, they even planned to launch the OG Switch in November. Just like there is an "open" week soon, there's an "open" whole second half of the year where we're not aware of anything major going on. If it was just that, it could be a coincidence, but it appears extremely likely that Nintendo will be launching a console next year, and it would make more sense to launch it in the back half with not a lot going on and avoid it bumping into the Switch games still releasing in H1.

I want to encourage everyone to keep an open mind about this. The evidence we have is inconclusive to say the least. Relying too heavily on it could lead to disappointment. Is a March launch possible? Sure. But is the evidence for it all that strong? Definitely not
 
Brofield said:
Not for lack of trying, but I really am not a big podcast guy in the first place. I'm a Nate proponent and even then I only catch maybe every other Nintendo-centric episode him and MVG do haha. I'd give it a shot otherwise, but if even you/@Hosermess are also agreeing not to bother listening, maybe for the best 😋

But hey, definitely a fan of rumours for new releases and I've always heard whispers of Electric Nebraska for the longest time. Maybe the Arthur Baker remixes will finally get added to streaming services and I won't have to rely exclusively on my dad's vinyl to listen to them lol
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I can hear the Jersey dialect from here. Nobody else loves Bruce as much as Jersey peeps. You love Bruce almost as much as I hate this avatar. C'est la vie.

Back on topic, if the reveal is this week/weekend, y'all think we'll get to 2000 before or during the reveal? Personally I think it'll depend on if any sort of announcement is teased by insiders prior to Nintendo saying anything.
 
I know we've been trying to avoid asking this, since the thread split, but I feel like I missed a lot and I was 20 pages behind about a half hour ago. I'd appreciate it if someone would fill me in.
 
D36 said:
I know we've been trying to avoid asking this, since the thread split, but I feel like I missed a lot and I was 20 pages behind about a half hour ago. I'd appreciate it if someone would fill me in.
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Derachi said:
You know

I was genuinely only thinking about one Joy-Con. I forgot there were two!
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By having the left Joy-Con use a flipped colour scheme, both left and right Joy-Con would have the SAME colour scheme in single Joy-Con play, the bottom button would ALWAYS be, for instance, red. During sessions where some are using a sideways Joy-Con, and some using a Joy-Con Pair, the button diamond can be used. But for moment to moment prompts, the colours make sense. Meanwhile the colours on the directional buttons of Joy-Con (L) will look pretty and be irrelevant while using Joy-Con as a pair, just denoted with the directional arrow.
 
Suswave said:
one Joycon goes clockwise and the other goes counterclockwise

there are instances where Left and Right can be one interchangeable controller held upright

it’s gonna get confusing
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What about rgb leds under the buttons to swap the color to the SNES style no matter which joy con mode you use!
 
lattjeful said:
-More digging was found in the shipping info that went from "interesting but not much of anything" to "hey wait a minute that's a clue."

-@P4blo came back and was training off screen, stronger than Goku now. Saved the H1 2024 crew. Found some potentially juicy info about updated Joy-Cons, among other things I'm blanking out on.

-MK8 Deluxe Booster Pass Wave 6 was announced today, leaving not much of anything to me announced with a release date.

-Nintendo Six Months Earning Release/Report on November 7th. Between this, the Booster Pass, and us kinda having a production timeline, H1 2024 truthers think we'll get something between now and then.

Somebody let me know if I missed anything!
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lattjeful said:
I can hear the Jersey dialect from here. Nobody else loves Bruce as much as Jersey peeps. You love Bruce almost as much as I hate this avatar. C'est la vie.

Back on topic, if the reveal is this week/weekend, y'all think we'll get to 2000 before or during the reveal? Personally I think it'll depend on if any sort of announcement is teased by insiders prior to Nintendo saying anything.
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Au contraire, a Toronto manz who one day wants to get to that place where we'll walk in the sun 😋 My dad got sick of my Christmas music in July schtick when I was 6 years old, violently ejected the cassette tape from the 1996 Chevy minivan he drove, grabbed one at random from the centre console and sure enough Born In The USA was the first track that opened my eyes to the bombastic stadium anthems so pivotal in classic rock that I would come to grow and love over the next two and half decades haha. Nine concerts later and counting, my tenth Bruce show will be next November after he had to reschedule his autumn shows this autumn (unless I somehow find myself in Europe around April/May next year).

ANYWAYS back on topic, I'd argue we're gonna make it to page 2000 before the end of the week regardless of any insider teasing and/or curtain reveals.

Truthfully once that teaser tweet goes out, I'd like to see if we can zoom through 30 odd pages of hyperspeculation in 12 hours
 
Reminder that Switch Drake already released, last Friday.




Since Monsters of Mican has an enemy called Switch Drake with 1536 HP.
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Anybody know how far in advance mass production typically starts? If it were to indeed start in the next couple of months, it seems very unlikely we are looking at a November 2024 launch. That would essentially mean stockpiling upwards of 20 million units in preparation for launch. I would assume Nintendo will want to have more units ready than they did with Switch because they were supply limited for quite some time.
 
wikiales said:
It's not really about the amount of indicators, but their quality. A random user could hop on this board and post "May 25th it's happening" and it would be an indicator of a May release, but an extremely poor one at that. It'd mostly be an indicator for a bored teen.

None of the evidence put forward is as flimsy as that, but it's not all that much better either. I'm unconvinced by the amiibo restock stuff, especially considering the dwindling focus on amiibo. The "open" week next week is not evidence in and of itself. The best pointer for a March launch are the shipping logs, which are very cool and I don't want to away from that, but they're not very good evidence of a March launch. They're compatible with basically every hypothesis about a launch window and, without more inside info on what the logistics are like, it's unlikely we're gonna be able to glean much just from them alone.

What are the pointers for a November launch? Well, consoles typically release during the holiday season. When they don't, it's either a minor revision or a real desperation play (i.e. the Switch). Given that Nintendo is in a very comfortable position right now, why would they want to launch a console in March again? Hell, they even planned to launch the OG Switch in November. Just like there is an "open" week soon, there's an "open" whole second half of the year where we're not aware of anything major going on. If it was just that, it could be a coincidence, but it appears extremely likely that Nintendo will be launching a console next year, and it would make more sense to launch it in the back half with not a lot going on and avoid it bumping into the Switch games still releasing in H1.

I want to encourage everyone to keep an open mind about this. The evidence we have is inconclusive to say the least. Relying too heavily on it could lead to disappointment. Is a March launch possible? Sure. But is the evidence for it all that strong? Definitely not
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The difference is that the shipping logs and amiibo restockings are considered evidence because they have previously or could’ve predicted Nintendo’s next action. This isn’t comparable to someone throwing out random date. That isn’t an indicator and people in this thread have not treated such “leaks and rumours” as such so far. Even if a very small few have at some point jumped to conclusions every statement here is practically cross checked by everyone that is active on this thread and reading the posts as they come through. Over time the extremes get filtered out and we can paint a picture of what one can expect if one has followed this thread meticulously like many have here. And having done so have arrived at a March 2024 release as the leading outcome.

This doesn’t even consider the fact that so far, we still haven’t gotten any indicator any near as strong for any other timeframe and saying that the latter half of next year is open just like this coming week isn’t valid as that is literally a year out so us being unaware of major happenings could be debunked by anything announcements between right now and literally anytime before H2. That is not the same as literally watching in real time as all the possible red herrings for a November announcement get cleared away on top of all the other circumstantial evidence that has been discussed.

I’m not saying that H2 can’t happen but I’m yet to see why despite everything we know it is somehow MORE likely than H1 other than an assumption that it would make more sense since there is nothing going on which we have no way of verifying to be true since it’s so far away
 
Wonder if there's an announcement this month it's because it was always planned or if it's because there going to miss there hardware sales target
 
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