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Discussion What do you think the first year of Switch 2 will look like

What is the launch title of the Switch 2

  • New 3D Mario

    Votes: 213 73.4%
  • Metroid Prime 4

    Votes: 57 19.7%
  • Princess Peach, obvi

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • New IP

    Votes: 6 2.1%
  • Zelda Remake

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Something Else, Explain Below

    Votes: 9 3.1%

  • Total voters
    290
might be a lot of third party games


What interesting about this tweet that it implies there's gonna be a lot of NEW third party games. That's been my theory since the beginning. First year is gonna focus on new stuff, just a very few aged ports.
 
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So you think that Metroid Prime 4, a project that had already been encountering significant production challenges and had to be entirely restarted with a different team, should change their target hardware and abandon both the existing work done for the previous hardware and the corresponding audience for that hardware, just because Nintendo apparently has nothing else available that can be utilized for a showcase project for their next hardware.

Do you imagine that games just magically grow on trees or something? Anyone that's worked on a major project would immediately tell you that this is an absolutely terrible idea, and especially egregious in the current context in which game developers are being very evidently undervalued.
No need to be so rude. It was just a suggestion. We know nothing about the development of Prime 4 since the update almost 5 years ago. If it has been moved to the successor, they could have made that decision a while ago. I just don't see the point of releasing it on almost 7 year old hardware when a successor is right around the corner. Releasing in the launch window of a new system would help more, imo.


the problem with this is that it would require another Development Update on Metroid Prime 4 in which they disclose that yeah they cancelled the Switch version permanently this time
Yes, that's true. But I guess if they knock it out of the park with the trailers then maybe that could soften the blow.
 
Let’s get funny and silly with it.

March ‘24: System Reveal with teaser of 3D Mario, Metroid and a yet to be identified action RPG franchise.

June ‘24: Full showcase of system and it’s launch window games.

September 20th, 2024: Switch^2 is launched alongside 3D Mario named Super Mario Explorer and a party game franchise called Game Show Champion. It’s a game that combines a bunch of different styles of game shows and competitions into a fast paced Wario Ware meets Jackbox style game.

Novemember 17th, 2024: Donkey Kong: City Swing. A 2-D platforming game with some small 3-D sections about DK and crew trying to escape from the city zoos they’ve been captured in.

December 8th, 2024: Monolith’s new IP. A space fantasy action game called Xenovoid.

March ‘25: Metroid Prime 4. The main mechanic will be the ability to shift between multiple parallel universes at will to progress through the world.

April ‘25: Mario Kart X. This game provides more kart customization than ever. Includes an extensive single player mode.

June ‘25: Xenovoid Extensive Story DLC

August ‘25: Dragon Quest XII

September ‘25: The Legend of Zelda: Kingdoms Beneath. A new 2-D entry that is similar to WW in that it involves lots of water based traversal to several island but also allows the player to explore under water.

November ‘25: Pokemon Alpha & Beta
 
I'm going all in on MP4 being there at launch.

Prime 4 is still coming to the Switch 1.

Of course it is, but it won't be the best version.

I think an exclusive 3D Mario will also be there though, one made from the ground-up and targeting the hardware, whereas MP4 will be more like an upgraded port with higher resolutions, frame rates and other bells.

I'd be very surprised if Mario Kart 9 didn't show up at some point during the first 12 months, we are due a new and exciting entry. As good as MK8DX is, we need a refresh. Give me some tracks based on Odyssey, Metroid Dread (Samus + Gunship Kart anyone), TotK, Wonder, New Horizons, Kirby, DK, go all out on franchises.

I think Animal Crossing will be there too, they'll want to keep that ball rolling.

Probably a plethora of ports spilling onto the system too, heavy support from Capcom, Square Enix, Tecmo Koei, Ubisoft, Activision and EA..... GTA6 still won't make it though.

Speaking of Capcom however, weren't they rumoured to have an exclusive Resi for Switch? Maybe that got moved over.....
 
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Here's my out-there prediction for the first year: a game using the "Smash" brand that isn't a fighting game.

To explain, after Smash Bros Ultimate finished development, I don't think Sakurai would have been particularly eager to jump back into developing another Smash Bros right away. Three of the last four games he's worked on have been Smash Bros (or four of five if you count Wii U and 3DS separately), and he had been working on the franchise continuously for close to a decade by the time Ultimate's DLC finished.

From Nintendo's point of view, they probably don't want to strain their relationship with Sakurai either by trying to strong-arm him into developing another Smash Bros game immediately, or making another game in the series without him. So, they let him pitch some other game ideas, publishing (and perhaps assisting development of) whatever they like the look of, possibly with the agreement that another Smash Bros would follow.

Watching Sakurai's YouTube videos on the design process of his games, there's a clear theme of him taking an existing genre and trying to put his own spin on it, challenging some of the conventions of the genre. Smash Bros was his take on the fighting game genre, Meteos his take on the falling-brick puzzle game, and Kid Icarus was his take on the third person shooter. With both his games for Nintendo and other outside studios you'll also notice that the core idea of the game typically appears before they decide which franchise it will fit into, with Nintendo and the developers trying to find a good match for one of their existing franchises.

So, Sakurai pitches a new game idea to Nintendo, let's say a new type of battle royale game for the sake of the example, and together with Nintendo they have to decide what franchise would best fit this new idea. Why not use Smash? It's a franchise already associated with Sakurai, and he's clearly demonstrated an ability to handle crossover games extremely well. From Nintendo's point of view, which do you think would sell better, Star Fox Royale or Smash Royale?

Of course this only really fits if he's working on a multiplayer game, as I can't see a crossover between so many franchises work well for a single-player story based game. If it is a multiplayer game, though, then it seems to me that treating it as an expansion of the Smash franchise would make a lot of sense.
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Oh, so it's less Mario & company, and more Mario & Company play laser tag. Ok then!
 
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I think some people don’t realize how old some games are gonna be when the switch 2 releases (assuming it launches in September like most are predicting)

Metroid dread- 3 years old
Animal crossing- 4 and a half years
Mario kart- 5 years (tour dropped 2019)
Mario party- 3 years
Smash bros/ Sakurai project- 6 years, 3 if DLC counted
DK/ Metroid prime- 800 years
3D mario- 7 years
2D Zelda- 5 years
Luigis mansion- 5 years
pokemon- 2 years

I think the first two years are gonna be insane, and a lot of people are gonna be surprised how many games Nintendo puts out compared to Xbox/ PlayStation
 
I still think there's a chance for Prime 4 to squeeze out before Switch 2, so while the Metroid logo below is supposed to represent Metroid 6, maybe sub it out for Prime 4 if it can't make 2024. Also don't know what to think about a potential DK game either so i'm playing it safe by leaving it out.

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Ask me tomorrow and i'd give you a slightly different list, lol.
why would mario kart come a year after launch,.

its the evergreen to end all evergreens.
 
I think some people don’t realize how old some games are gonna be when the switch 2 releases (assuming it launches in September like most are predicting)

Metroid dread- 3 years old
Animal crossing- 4 and a half years
Mario kart- 5 years (tour dropped 2019)
Mario party- 3 years
Smash bros/ Sakurai project- 6 years, 3 if DLC counted
DK/ Metroid prime- 800 years
3D mario- 7 years
2D Zelda- 5 years
Luigis mansion- 5 years
pokemon- 2 years

I think the first two years are gonna be insane, and a lot of people are gonna be surprised how many games Nintendo puts out compared to Xbox/ PlayStation
yeah, i fully believe pretty much every major franchises will eb on their spin off or not by year 2.

the only one I don't think will be on there that early is 3d zelda, splatoon, 3d kirby, xenobalde, 2d mario and pikmin (obviously)

and I personally think the switch 2 will be an era of building up new ip's and revivals.
in terms of new ip's idk, it seems like monolith wants to do a action rpg and there will be a couple of casual ones.

i feel its say to say f-zero and star fox will have attempted revivals, golden sun also feels likely. and personally i think once mk9 is finally out we will see arms 2 sometime. it still did 2.5 mil early on,, thats not something to snooze at.

im gonna make a full console timeline just for fun.
 
yeah, i fully believe pretty much every major franchises will eb on their spin off or not by year 2.

the only one I don't think will be on there that early is 3d zelda, splatoon, 3d kirby, xenobalde, 2d mario and pikmin (obviously)

and I personally think the switch 2 will be an era of building up new ip's and revivals.
in terms of new ip's idk, it seems like monolith wants to do a action rpg and there will be a couple of casual ones.

i feel its say to say f-zero and star fox will have attempted revivals, golden sun also feels likely. and personally i think once mk9 is finally out we will see arms 2 sometime. it still did 2.5 mil early on,, thats not something to snooze at.

im gonna make a full console timeline just for fun.
I kinda feel like switch 2 is gonna be more about building on the momentum of the switch then reviving old franchises. I’m sure revivals will happen, but we already got Pikmin, 2D Metroid, Metroid prime, and Mario RPGs return. Beyond DK and Mario and Luigi, I don’t see what other big franchises we’re missing
 
why would mario kart come a year after launch,.

its the evergreen to end all evergreens.

A few reasons:
  1. I think Pokemon Gen 10 will skip 2025 and will be saved for the 30th Anniversary (2026). Mario Kart is the largest title you could possibly slot in to take advantage of that gap in the holiday lineup.
  2. Active development on Tour only wrapped up in late 2022. I’m sure the next Mario Kart has been in some stage of pre-production for awhile but for now i’m playing it safe by taking this as the latest possible time for full scale production to begin. Knowing Nintendo it’ll probably end up being sat on for an opportune spot in the schedule even if it were done.
  3. I feel the need to give Wave Race some space as a racing game with a much smaller audience. Obviously if that doesn’t exist it’ll be easier to slide it in earlier, but spacing it out from Animal Crossing (the second largest multiplayer evergreen) is also an important consideration.
 
2024
  • Super Mario Magic
  • Nintendogs & Friends
  • Metroid Prime 4

2025
  • Star Fox Defenders
  • New IP
  • Mario Kart 10
  • Donkey Kong
  • Pokemon
  • Monolith Soft Title

2026
  • Splatoon 4
  • Animal Crossing
  • Luigi's Mansion 4

2027
- Smash Bros.
 
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A few reasons:
  1. I think Pokemon Gen 10 will skip 2025 and will be saved for the 30th Anniversary (2026). Mario Kart is the largest title you could possibly slot in to take advantage of that gap in the holiday lineup.
  2. Active development on Tour only wrapped up in late 2022. I’m sure the next Mario Kart has been in some stage of pre-production for awhile but for now i’m playing it safe by taking this as the latest possible time for full scale production to begin. Knowing Nintendo it’ll probably end up being sat on for an opportune spot in the schedule even if it were done.
  3. I feel the need to give Wave Race some space as a racing game with a much smaller audience. Obviously if that doesn’t exist it’ll be easier to slide it in earlier, but spacing it out from Animal Crossing (the second largest multiplayer evergreen) is also an important consideration.
true.

i personally think animal crossing will come later, as thye game will have a large active dev period than new horizons (9 years is what im thinking) to fully flesh it out, so we dont have a new horizons after the pandemic where it just kinda, fell off.
 
  • Either 3D Mario or Mario Kart at launch, and the one that isn't will be released a few months after launch.
  • Metroid Prime 4 will likely be cross-gen out of commitment, but I think it won't be ready for Day 1, instead a few months in.
  • Fire Emblem will have something. Either the Genealogy remake gets moved for Switch 2 at launch, or if that releases on Switch then I could see something like another FE Warriors during first year of Switch 2.
  • A small new IP like Snipperclips.

As for 3rd parties, I could see Capcom with Monster Hunter, SEGA with the mandatory Sonic and Puyo Puyo titles, and Square-Enix with another HD2D title like Triangle Strategy 2 or a Chrono Trigger remake.

I could also see Switch 2 getting some exclusive systems on NSO, like Nintendo DS and Sega CD/32x. Maybe Gamecube, but maybe Nintendo could be considering remastering most of those.
 
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Monolith Soft is showing up in the first 12 months, bet.
Early 2025 would make 2 years after Future Redeemed and almost 3 years since XB3 proper.

Hell I almost wanna think that they'd be capable of releasing something late 2024 at this point.
 
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I thought y’all were crazy for even suggesting Monolith was making a game for year 1 of switch 2, but Xenoblade 3 will be 3 YEARS OLD when switch 2 drops. I think they’ll make a new franchise like xenomaster or something
 
true.

i personally think animal crossing will come later, as thye game will have a large active dev period than new horizons (9 years is what im thinking) to fully flesh it out, so we dont have a new horizons after the pandemic where it just kinda, fell off.
Animal Crossing generally comes out in the first couple of years of a console's lifespan as it's considered one of Nintendo's evergreen titles, releasing it in 2029 would be way, way too late (that's basically only a couple of years before the next console, if the Switch 2 lasts as long as the Switch does)

I also don't think NH was being developed for the whole 7 years between NL and NH, because HHD, amiibo Festival and the Welcome amiibo update were being worked on by the core AC devs during this time. I think it's more likely they started work on it properly in late 2016-early 2017.
 
I am fully expecting the Switch 2 to have better 3rd party support than the PS5 on Launch. The PS5 is full of cross games.
 
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I posted this in another thread, but I'll post it here again:

I would love to see and begin with a whole new Mario Kart, MK8D is a 2017 port from a 2014 game. Sure, it got de BCP with returning tracks and characters, but I really want something fresh to begin with on the new system and series. I hope Ninty sees the series as a potential launch title, due to the sales of MK8D.

A 2nd game I'd love to see is Red Dead Redemption II, with RDR1 being on Switch, a port of the second game as a Launch title that is also a great open world game, would be very nice. Although I have played it on PC, I would buy it again, just to play as Arthur Morgan on the go. I really can imagine a vacation trip to the rocky's while playing this around a campfire.

When I think of Launch games, I think of Wii Sports and 1-2-Switch, to show the gimmicks, and that's great and all, but I barely see the gimmicks in the future being a thing. That's why I would love to have a Mario Party as a Launch title, instead of Wii Sports or 1-2-Switch. Mario Party is mostly enjoyed in a group, as is Wii Sports, but having the Mario brand in there would attract more people I assume. A title you can enjoi with others, while you can play Mario Kart in your alone time. (or even with a group aswell)

I really think it's time to bring a modern Street Fighter onto Nintendo platforms, and I would like to see Street Fighter 6 being on there. The game is already out on other consoles, in which I think porting it over to the NG would cause no problems. I don't like to see Street Fighter II again, tho.

As my last pick, I would like to see Phasmophobia being a launch title. It made me very curious why it was skipped in the consoles trailer, and wondered if it would be better to go on the NG instead. Phasmo is the only horror game I really like, and having it on the go would be very cool. Another title I would be playing with on vacation in a hotel or so.

In the first year of launch however, I would love to see Animal Crossing, Smash and Kirby if it comes to first party titles. As of 3rd parties: Man, do I really want a remake of Tony Hawk's Underground 1+2. Also to finally see a Call of Duty, a Grand Theft Auto and Yo-kai Watch.

If and only if however the NG does have VR capabilities, I do want to have Among Us VR, Pavlov VR and a VR game of the StarFox series.
 
Best case scenario (extremely optimistic):
  • Super Mario 3D Title (Launch)
  • New IP Feature Demo a la Arms and Snipperclips (Launch)
  • Visually Impressive Blockbuster 3rd Party Port (Launch)
  • Metroid Prime 4 (Launch - Cross-Gen)
  • Wind Waker / Twilight Princess 4K (First 6 months)
  • Mario Kart X (First 6 months)
  • Fire Emblem Genealogy (First 6 months)
  • EAFC 25 (First 6 months)
  • New 3D Kirby (First Year)
  • Super Mario Party 2 (First Year)
  • Big Pokémon Title* (First Year - Cross-Gen)
  • Animal Crossing Title (First Year)
  • Super Smash Bros Ultimate DX (First Year)
*Not Gen 10, but an independent main entry like LGPE or PLA.
 
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My predictions that should be valued at less than 2 cents:

  • NG is a Switch 2. I don't mean it's necessarily called Switch 2, but it keeps the Switch branding and it's primary draw is that it's a more powerful version of the Switch you already love. I think most people are taking this for granted because it seems obvious, but I just wanted to say it since we don't actually no for sure yet
  • Official announcement blowout in early Feb (Nintendo is forced to acknowledge the system before this tho)
  • Releases in late May for $/€ 399, £349, ¥49980
  • Most newly released Nintendo games are cross-gen
  • Many games released in the past ~3 years are also cross-gen day 1
    • some will just gain 4k support for zero upgrade cost
    • others will add ray-tracing, faster frame-rate, quicker load times, etc. They'll cost $10 to upgrade (or $70 to buy the HD version if you don't have it)
    • many games with real effort put in to the enhanced HD version will also get DLC to entice people to revisit the game (DLC will still be cross gen)
  • Of the few exclusive titles, most of them are because they utilize the camera gimmick, not because they really push the system
  • Nintendo will really sell their strong 3rd party support. These are the games pointed to to show how powerful the system is
    • many launch window ports of games that couldn't be ported to the Switch
    • many day 1 releases over Switches early life
  • Metroid Prime 4 is the big launch title. Next Mario 3D is the big holiday title. Both are cross gen, but look better on the NG
  • The first exclusive that pushes the system graphically is a 2nd/3rd Party partnership game
  • ~1.5-2 year "transition period". Nintendo will promise to continue to support the Switch, and they will. Most games will be cross-gen. Lots of people have Switches. Nintendo doesn't want to ignore this user base as long as they're still buying games. And they don't need to make the call of is it worth it to give people more incentive to convert until the NG production outpaces demand. Two years in Nintendo will have a cheaper Lite version option and will have just had 2 years of people buying NGs and losing interest in the Switch
    • during transition there will be lots of Franchises that have made it in to Smash but don't have a Switch title yet
    • after transition will get NG exclusive sequels to popular Switch titles
  • No Mario Kart or Smash until Q4 2025 at the earliest
    • Instead of a new mainline Mario Kart we'll get things like FZero, Waverace, maybe Excite, updates to Home Circuit, etc
    • Instead of a new mainline Smash we'll get things like Punchout, new fighter IP, Partnership with 3rd parties to get a Nintendo character in their fighting game, Smash spin-off, etc
    • when the mainline titles do land they are NG exclusives
 
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I'm hoping for a September 2024 release of the Switch 2, so I'll basically map out how I think September 2024 to December 2025 should play out:

September 2024: Nintendo Switch 2 at $400 with new 3D Mario
October 2024: New Mario Kart
November 2024: Pokemon - Likely Switch 1 though, depending on what they are doing. That being said, I could see them doing Johto remakes by ILCA and Unova sequels by GF, so maybe we could get both of those in 2024 or one in 2024 and the other in early 2025 (Johto would be Switch 1 and Unova would be Switch 2).
December 2024: Metroid Prime 4 (Switch 2 only - I don't believe it needs to be held back by releasing on Switch 1 because based on Dread's sales, I don't believe the huge install base would make too much of a difference, plus they could use Prime 4 as a technical showcase of the new hardware).
January 2025: Nothing
February 2025: OoT HD - Unfortunately not a FF7 Remake style thing though. More like taking OoT 3D and putting it in HD.
March/April 2025: New Animal Crossing
October 2025: New Mario Party - Assuming we don't get anything else on Switch 1.
November 2025: Pokemon Gen 10

Obviously I'm sure there would be other titles to fill in gaps as well. These are just some of the big ticket items. In addition, I imagine there would be DLC for 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, maybe Metroid, etc. Also, I am hopeful they will add GCN to NSO in late 2025 (only on the successor and up though).

There will definitely be a new Nintendo IP (or two) something like 1-2 Switch and ARMS.
 
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I doubt Nintendo will immediately drown an IP into open world. After BOTW, they should evaluate each franchise and see if they benefit from open world. Not every game has to be open world. It’s all abouy building upon and evolving a game’s strengths. Of course the natural progression of Zelda was going to be open world. It expands what the series is about: exploration.

This type of evaluation is what Nintendo should do in before immediately deciding to apply open world to a franchise
 
I thought y’all were crazy for even suggesting Monolith was making a game for year 1 of switch 2, but Xenoblade 3 will be 3 YEARS OLD when switch 2 drops. I think they’ll make a new franchise like xenomaster or something

???

Xenoblade 3 was released on July 29th, 2022. If Switch 2 releases say September 2024 it will be only a little over 2 years old.
 
I doubt Nintendo will immediately drown an IP into open world. After BOTW, they should evaluate each franchise and see if they benefit from open world. Not every game has to be open world. It’s all abouy building upon and evolving a game’s strengths. Of course the natural progression of Zelda was going to be open world. It expands what the series is about: exploration.

This type of evaluation is what Nintendo should do in before immediately deciding to apply open world to a franchise
I think that the next one Will be 3d Mario
 
???

Xenoblade 3 was released on July 29th, 2022. If Switch 2 releases say September 2024 it will be only a little over 2 years old.
I mean assuming launch year of switch 2 is September 2024 through September 2025, it will be 3 years old during the launch year. Sorry if I didn’t explain it right, but thats what I meant
 
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launch day in September
Prime 4 (cross-gen)
Dragon quest 3 hd2d remake
a shit ton of third party ports with the big ones being elder ring, street fighter 6, the modern RE games and remakes
 
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A lot of Mario
DK
Metroid Prime
New IP
Pokemon spin-off
Maybe a Zelda remake/port
Good third-party support

Should be strong (y)
 
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New 3D Mario
New Mario Kart
Fire Emblem remake
Metroid Prime 4.

From third parties, I feel like Capcom will put out Monster Hunter fairly early and Square Enix will get Dragon Quest XII on there too, but there will also be a ton of ports of PS4 games
 
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I thought y’all were crazy for even suggesting Monolith was making a game for year 1 of switch 2, but Xenoblade 3 will be 3 YEARS OLD when switch 2 drops. I think they’ll make a new franchise like xenomaster or something
the action RPG Monolith Soft is suposedly working since 2018, that at this problably turned into Xenoblade Chronicles 4
 
I think launch game will be Metroid Prime 4. It will be a cross platform game that really shows you should upgrade to Switch 2. 3D Mario for Christmas.
Mario Kart 9 for Spring and we're looking at 20M consoles sold in launch year.
 
I'm thinking more and more maybe the system isn't launching with 3D Mario. Maybe they just launch it with Mario Kart. Mario Kart is undeniably Nintendo's biggest franchise now, with MK8D outselling even Pokemon now, and I personally attribute the Switch's success partly to the fact MK8D launched so early in it's life. I'm so much of a believer in Mario Kart that if the Wii U had launched with it, I think the system would've outsold the GC and almost tied the N64. The idea Mario Kart isn't early in the systems life or even year 1 is crazy to me, this console lives and dies on Mario Kart coming out early... Ok maybe not lives or dies on Mario Kart but I do think the console may flounder a bit early on without it.
 
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Thinking

Prime 4, a casual game, and upgrades for BOTW, Pokemon, Pikmin, Mario Wonder and Splatoon 3 at launch.

Smash Ultimate Deluxe and some more upgrades like TOTK, Bayo 3 and Xenoblade 3 over the summer

Xenoblade X Definitive Edition, 3D Mario, Pokemon Gen 5 remakes and even more upgrades like Astral Chain, SMTV and others in the Holiday season

Mario Kart X coming in spring 2025, tail end of year 1, like Galaxy coming at the tail end of Wii year 1
 
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This makes zero sense.
Takahashi has explained Nintendo only greenlight Xenoblade Chronicles, also they plan to make a very different Xenoblade Chronicles, Takahashi could be refering to Xenoblade Chronicles 4 that will be a action RPG

 
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So they started developing Xenoblade 4 before they developed Xenoblade 3?
Monolith Soft has 3 development team, one worked on Tears of the Kingdom, another on Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and this one on Xenoblade Chronicles 4, Monolith Soft already have a idea how this story arch, before Xenoblade Chronicles 3 ends
 
I don’t understand dramatically changing Xenoblade while keeping the brand name. The brand is kind of poison outside of hardcore weebs and hardcore weebs will buy the next Monolith Soft game regardless of the name.

To non-Xenoblade fans, Xenoblade is that weird weeb harem game, so why change the franchise to make it more appealing instead of starting a new franchise?

The story is over, the IP has hit a sales ceiling. If you want to make huge changes… Just make a new IP?
 
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Monolith Soft has 3 development team, one worked on Tears of the Kingdom, another on Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and this one on Xenoblade Chronicles 4, Monolith Soft already have a idea how this story arch, before Xenoblade Chronicles 3 ends
Yeah, but we first learned about the hiring calls for a "brand new project that will offer something different from Monolith Soft's usual brand image" in mid-2017, before Xenoblade Chronicles 2 even released. Xenoblade DE started production in December 2017. Xenoblade 3 wasn't even pitched until May 2018, with production starting that August. The timeline doesn't work if you're saying that this was always meant to be a Xenoblade 4. At least, I don't think it does.
 


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