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[LiC]

I posted about T254 (in the Pipeline Discord, not on Fami) shortly after the Nvidia hack, but everybody (except oldpuck) had just already forgotten about it because it isn't relevant to Nintendo and there was almost nothing to it in the leaked files. If people here want a summary for edutainment purposes, I can make one, although oldpuck already covered the relevant points.

But the fact that T254 existed and was (probably/maybe) the model number for Atlan doesn't corroborate anything in the 4chan fanfic post. It just means the person who made that post has also looked at those files.

Correction: Technically, it was T256 I mentioned a couple times on Discord. I had also found the references to T254, though.

There are many, many things in the leaked files I made note of but never mentioned because there was no context where they were relevant and there was just nothing to say about them. Serif mentioned T236 earlier, but what about T232? What about the fact that these some of these other Tegras have model numbers indicating they belong to one generation, but then they're referenced alongside an iGPU from a different generation? What about the fact that T232 looks like it came after T234 and T239 despite being a smaller number, and what about the fact that sometimes it even looks like it came after T254 and T256? We could go on and on with this.

In addition to the fact that Nvidia's Tegra model numbers just don't make sense in general, I think this is down to the fact that Atlan was sort of cancelled and sort of rebooted as Thor, in addition to my pet theory that Ada was originally conceived as a "GA20X" second generation of Ampere. But musing about this is purely an academic exercise since again, none of this has anything to do with Nintendo.

 

[yusufied]

Please please please just DON'T call it Super Switch...

Super Switch is fun name and a cute callback. I'm probably going to go between calling it NG and Super Switch from now on.

 

[P4bl0]

Color palette would look nice. Maybe even darker grey

 

[Concernt]

I thought I love the super famicom colors but that red a button is messing up my gamecube shaped mind.

That's the part that has me so convinced. If they wanted to use colours, why wouldn't they use GCN colours?

Especially since the A button prompt in TTYD HD protrudes from a BLUE background, if it was a GCN reference, it would be green on an indigo background.

Remakes published by Nintendo use button prompts of the target system, not the original, and with good reason. We see in 3D World, 3DAS, Superstars, Kirby's Adventure Wii/RTDL, these all use monochrome buttons or the button diamond. All of a sudden, TTYD is using COLOURS?! So if they're not the ORIGINAL. And they're not for NINTENDO SWITCH. Then they must be for something else the game is also coming to.


I'd also like to point out the weighting of the lettering in SMRPG Remake and TTYDHD are not the same as Nintendo Switch's own internal "Test Input Devices - Test Controller Buttons" icons, nor are the ZL and ZR prompts in TTYDHD the same proportions as those in the Test Controller Buttons app. Why is this significant? Because in 3D All Stars, button lettering in-game was adjusted to use Nintendo Switch lettering.

 

[GPKs3]

Color palette would look nice. Maybe even darker grey

I want this to be real so badly now.

 

[RennanNT]

Colored buttons work against sideways play, both because the orientation shifts and the left Joy-Con normally doesn't have face buttons.

Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are single player, so there's no need to support single joycon.

For games with local multiplayer, the color doesn't really work against it. Just like local mp games don't use the ABXY nowadays, they don't need to match the button color. But even if they do, they can simply update the color when you change controllers.

As for the d-pad, it's not like they have to be black either...

 

[darthdiablo]

Super Switch is fun name and a cute callback. I'm probably going to go between calling it NG and Super Switch from now on.

I'm actually okay with "Super Switch" too, I like the name.

If this little thing (or big? if it ends up using 8N node LOL!) can actually do UE5 demo, do BOTW at 4K60FPS with nearly 0 loading time, then "Super" is appropriate moniker to add to Switch. The "Switch" legacy shall live on!

 

[Concernt]

Color palette would look nice. Maybe even darker grey

Here's my crazy theory:

in the TTYD HD segment, we see a RED A button protruding from a DARK BLUE controller.

So... What if that's the deal? OG Switch was Neon Red and Neon Blue. NG Switch is DARK BLUE with brightly coloured buttons.

A brushed metal finish, metal grey plastics, with dark blue Joy-Con 2.0

I salivate at the thought... It would look so unique.

 

[CM132]

Super Switch is better name than Switch 2

 

[P4bl0]

Here's my crazy theory:

in the TTYD HD segment, we see a RED A button protruding from a DARK BLUE controller.

So... What if that's the deal? OG Switch was Neon Red and Neon Blue. NG Switch is DARK BLUE with brightly coloured buttons.

A brushed metal finish, metal grey plastics, with dark blue Joy-Con 2.0

I salivate at the thought... It would look so unique.

Can you picture the dark blue thing pls

 

[TechnicalTip6578]

Regarding miHoYo some months ago the devs said to me that was still working on a Switch version for Genshin Impact

Recently however, i’ve heard from a source that the project was moved to their (Nintendo) next console together with more games (Honkai?)

more of an opinion question than a "did your sources hear" question, but do you think mihoyo might've gotten a dev kit before gamescom?

 

[KeijiKG]

Maybe something really cool is coming back... or come for the first time over here.

Candy Colored SNES buttons? Yeah I'm game.

 

[Concernt]

Can you picture the dark blue thing pls

Hope this works.

 

[CM132]

Anybody else thinks that TTYD is suspiciously reflective. Very different than TOK. Like they want to show ray traced reflections. Regular Switch does a good job but on Super Switch with RT it would look much better.

 

[P4bl0]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105834655153918064/1152356755410526319/image.png

Hope this works.

I think this one is just part of the game color scheme, (looks more like Gamecube purple to me)

 

[Concernt]

I think this one is just part of the game color scheme, (looks more like Gamecube purple to me)

Could be. But notice how it's the background to all the BUTTON prompts?

 

[PatrykPrime]

The whole colored button thing is very interesting. Pretty much every Nintendo game on Switch has the button prompts match the controller. So here we have TTYD on Switch using Super Famicom colors for their button prompts. There is definitely a good chance they would go for a Super Famicom style with a Switch successor.

And that would mean BC, or at least this game also be playable on the Super Switch.

 

[Sin Drive]

Please please please just DON'T call it Super Switch...

Why?

 

[TLZ]

Pretty sure it's the same commit we are familiar with, the August 2022 commit.


When you say it was a single line are you sure you weren't just viewing a built-in github feature that highlights a line like thus?

Found the T254!

Spoiler

 

[My Tulpa]

Didn't the New 3DS come out just 3.5 years after the 3DS? After 7 years, it seems more likely that it'd be a full successor like the Super Famicom was, right?

Not when Nintendo goes around at the Switch 5 year mark (early 2022) and says “Switch is just in the middle of its lifecycle”

Not when Nintendo said multiple times things like “Switch, we feel we can have a very different (longer) hardware life cycle than previous Nintendo consoles.” and “we believe a foundation for growth has been laid that exceeds what we previously considered to be a conventional hardware lifecycle.” and “it would be very interesting if we could prolong that life cycle, and I think you should be looking forward to that.”

Releasing upgraded hardware after 7 years and treating it like a true gen breaking successor would be absolutely normal length

 

[My Tulpa]

That's right that's a Famicom -> Super Famicom situation

That was 30 years ago lol

It’s the better, safer bet to suggest Nintendo will follow the more recent example (last gen) and more similar because it involved a power upgrade to a portable console that was BC.

And that’s even if you want to ignore the fact that the lifecycle of the Famicon was 7 years and Nintendo keeps telling us Switch’s will be longer than past consoles.

 

[Lugia667]

I assume this video is just repeating what has been stated here?

 

[P4bl0]

That was 30 years ago lol

It’s the better, safer bet to suggest Nintendo will follow the more recent example (last gen) and more similar because it involved a power upgrade to a portable console that was BC.

And that’s even if you want to ignore the fact that the lifecycle of the Famicon was 7 years and Nintendo keeps telling us Switch’s will be longer than past consoles.

That’s just an example of keeping the same concept and making it better

Also product lifecycle doesn’t refer to the number of years of a product without a successor on the market, but the total years where the product is on the market for sale

 

[darthdiablo]

Found the T254!

That spoiler.. chef's kiss lmao

 

[CM132]

Look at the A buttons. Both are red. I think bottom A button would look better with more neutral color but they still choose red. Hmmm.

 

[LiC]

So they took it out of English Direct eh? I think that kind of weakens the theory that it was "just a coincidence". Yeah, Super Mario RPG remake could just be faithful to original color scheme, but that doesn't explain PM:TTYD. And the fact that Nintendo removed it from English Direct makes it even more interesting.

I'm sure replies would be "Nah, it's still just a coincidence and Nintendo decided to remove it from English Direct so people don't get the wrong idea it's planned for next Switch"

They didn't take anything out of the English Direct; the SMRPG trailers are identical except for the UI language. The screenshot GameXplain used that shows all four buttons isn't from the Direct, it's from the Japanese official website.

 

[Concernt]

That’s just an example of keeping the same concept and making it better

Also product lifecycle doesn’t refer to the number of years of a product without a successor on the market, but the total years where the product is on the market for sale

Switch (Gen 1) will be 10 years.

 

[eye0h]

Kinda crazy that 5/9 first party games on the coming soon tab of the eshop can be played already. I can just go up to lil timmy and spoil nintendo's revealed calendar year.

 

[My Tulpa]

Please please please just DON'T call it Super Switch...

Power Switch?

 

[Concernt]

Power Switch?

Oh god, imagine if it's Nintendo Switch P

 

[P4bl0]

Switch (Gen 1) will be 10 years.

Yeah the products lifecycle, doesn’t mean it will be 10 years without a successor on the market, that’s what I’m referring to

 

[Concernt]

Yeah the products lifecycle, doesn’t mean it will be 10 years without a successor on the market, that’s what I’m referring to

Nintendo Switch (OLED Model) or Lite being on sale in 2027 definitely wouldn't surprise me. Though I COULD see 2024 or 2025 bring in a new model of Nintendo Switch Gen 1, like the New 2DS XL. 7 inch LCD display, OLED body, NG Switch dock with the OG Switch logo slapped on it- anything to get the price down so they can sell a super cheap hybrid Switch at 200ish dollars, replacing both OLED Model and Lite on shelves.

Want bigger, better, less cheap feeling materials? Get NG Switch.

 

[gnetc]

I also think the shadows in the Thousand Year Door trailer look really good, I know internal Nintendo teams are really talented on getting games to run on the Tegra but it just looks too good. I put the YouTube video to a specific time, the shadows for that staircase look suspiciously good.

 

[Lugia667]

I'd really hold off on calling any good looking game a switch 2 game lol, people have been doing this for years. Remember when Rise HAD to be a pro game?

 

[MisterSpo]

I like buttons theory because of how much I liked the New 3DS colour scheme.

What would happen with detached joycons, though? Could the on screen colour prompts be changed through system level detection of your controller set up?

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

huh? you can tell it's a remake by looking at it

Metroid Prime Remaster is an ambitious uplift of the original game, but it’s still a remaster of the GameCube game at the end of the day, not a remake in the vein of Link’s Awakening on NSW.

 

[EtherPenguin]

A fellow member posted something interesting:

Well now I don't know if I should feel vindicated or embarrassed that gamexplain is backing me up

I can see the argument against a uniform color scheme working for using joy cons sideways, but I still hope the standard pro controller for the next system isn't just a brick of charcoal again

 

[karmitt]

Nothing we’re seeing is secretly Switch 2 footage. Come on folks lol. Even at its very best a Switch game is going to be substantially worse looking than a Switch 2 game. At a minimum we’d be seeing 4K/60 content for something like this if the leaks are to be believed.

 

[CM132]

I also think the shadows in the Thousand Year Door trailer look really good, I know internal Nintendo teams are really talented on getting games to run on the Tegra but it just looks too good. I put the YouTube video to a specific time, the shadows for that staircase look suspiciously good.

They improved engine. Shadows and reflections are really good. Do we know the resolution? I think it looks a little better than TOK and it was 900p.

 

[Gerald]

Lol

 

[Deleted member 887]

I assume this video is just repeating what has been stated here?

I dunno, has anyone got 20 minutes to find out?

I also think the shadows in the Thousand Year Door trailer look really good, I know internal Nintendo teams are really talented on getting games to run on the Tegra but it just looks too good. I put the YouTube video to a specific time, the shadows for that staircase look suspiciously good.

Paper Mario's diorama style visuals are basically the perfect use case for screen space effects. A screen space effect can't show a shadow/reflection for anything that's, well, offscreen.

You can see how these are screenspace effects at 1:41 seconds in the video. You need to slow it down to quarter speed to see it clearly, but you can see how the reflections/shadows of the falling dry bones show up at the bottom of the screen as the drybones come from the top, and the almost seem to meet in the middle. If this were a non-screen space effect, their shadows/reflections would show up before they appeared on camera, and only change shape and size as the dry bones fell.

Screen space effects are very doable on Switch. Pikmin 4 is full of them. They eat memory bandwidth, though (because you basically need to make multiple copies of the full resolution screen, over and over again, each frame), which is almost definitely the reason that the game also seems to be 30fps

 

[Individualised]

"Super Switch" is not a good name and I don't think it's going to happen. For it to properly be a call-back to the SNES, it would have to be called "Super Nintendo Switch", which would be a branding nightmare as no one actually calls the Switch "Nintendo Switch" in casual conversation. It would be another "Wiimote" or "Game Boy Advanced" situation to Nintendo and companies like Nintendo generally don't like that. I don't think it's completely off the table but I would be surprised if that ends up being the product name.

Also I kinda find it weird how the whole "Switch Pro" thing is resurfacing. It would be a huge mistake for Nintendo to position NG as a Pro model rather than their next generation console. Yes maybe they were working on a Switch Pro at one point but it's clear the current hardware just isn't that.

 

[SirArthur]

I wonder if we would have gotten the devkits/gamescom/release window reports after the direct if the conversation would have been different.

I do enjoy those out of the box conspiracies, if would be cool to return to the color buttons (I still have my 3ds with those). A dumb gimmick that would funny is that depending on the joycons, the button prompts would change in the game if the game supports it like a warioware.

 

[TLZ]

Maybe something really cool is coming back... or come for the first time over here.

Why are many of these tubers obnoxious and act like 10 year olds?

 

[eye0h]

I think I like the subtle buttons more than the fully colored ones. Sidenote, the fact these launched like this is so cool.

 

[ILikeFeet]

Paper Mario looks very unfinished. the excessive blooming and improperly reflective surfaces make that obvious

 

[Blue Monty]

What are the chances our favorite journalist Mochizuki gives us new information post TGS

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[Estew]

Not when Nintendo goes around at the Switch 5 year mark (early 2022) and says “Switch is just in the middle of its lifecycle”

Not when Nintendo said multiple times things like “Switch, we feel we can have a very different (longer) hardware life cycle than previous Nintendo consoles.” and “we believe a foundation for growth has been laid that exceeds what we previously considered to be a conventional hardware lifecycle.” and “it would be very interesting if we could prolong that life cycle, and I think you should be looking forward to that.”

Releasing upgraded hardware after 7 years and treating it like a true gen breaking successor would be absolutely normal length

The Switch doesn't die as soon as the Switch 2 is released. 3DS got games for years after the Switch's release.

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

What are the chances our favorite journalist Mochizuki gives us new information post TGS

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0%

 

[OctoSplattack]

I assume this video is just repeating what has been stated here?

Pretty much: high amount of remakes points to the Switch winding down (compares it to the 3DS), Nintendo Directs being specifically labeled as "Nintendo Switch" now also point to the successor coming soon (otherwise, the distinction wouldn't be important), the Gamescom tech demos, rumors pointing towards H1 2024. He mentions Nate's video and thinks that March would be the reveal, but also theorizes that since Nintendo will likely have an actual presence at The Game Awards due to TOTK inevitably getting GOTY noms, teasing it first there is possible. Also mentions the coloured buttons thing.