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PlayStation Sony Announces the Playstation Portal; a Remote Play-oriented Handheld; 199.99 USD | 219.99 EURO | 199.99 GBP | 29,980 YEN

unless they have found a wii u like solution for the responsiveness and latency this will still be a relatively mediocre experience with remote play as it is.

200 bucks seems way too much for what it is, maybe worth it as an emulation device down the line.
 
Why are games that are streamed through PlayStation Plus Premium’s cloud streaming not supported?
 
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So, I am a little interested at $200, but I want to see more impressions after it launches. I might pick one up down the road if it works well. Sometimes I like to play my Switch while watching sports, so this would be cool to have as well.
 
YolkFolk said:
My impressions of PS Remote Play are that it chugs quite a bit at times and I've got a really fast connection.

Would this suffer the same thing unlike a phone/laptop because it's designed more around the service?
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That's the million dollar question. If it's just as shit, this device is unlikely to be successful and will not at all justify its existence

If it's optimized well enough to play quite well, though, I think this will be a success. I think people on this board are hung up on a few things - the WiiU gamepad comparison, the streaming-only thing - that aren't really going to be factors for the target audience, which is "PS5 players who want the option to not use the TV".
 
Hajeman said:
It's likes Wii U gamepad, need PS5 console to function. So if you outside the house, you can't use it, it's can't use cloud streaming. Expensive $200 accessories likes PSVR2 $550
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You absolutely can use it outside of the house. That's the whole point of remote play / wifi. The only caveat is how strong your signal is if you are using free public wifi or like a hotel.
 
I don't know why people who were never interested in this device are getting themselves in a tizzy over it. I get it's fun to shit on bad things but some of y'all are feigning genuine concern. Yeah it looks bad to me but it's clearly being marketed for a smaller more enthusiast portion of the PS5 pie. Given that almost none of this is a deal-breaker, except maybe the headset. Especially the arguments where we make up fake parents and kids to be disappointed by the product, lol. Sony doesn't give enough of a shit about the portable space to market this to have a sizeable portion of that demographic in the first place.
 
Logitech G Cloud I think is still more appealing as that goes on sale for $250 occasionally and it's coming up on being only 1 year old. Has Android so you can stream from a PC, GamePass cloud, Geforce Now, whatever along with media apps like Netflix and Crunchyroll. The Abxylute One is a $200 android handset too. This has better control ergonomics though and maybe 1 additional inch in screen space would make text legibility so much better than a 7 inch
 
Most people I've seen online expected the pricing floor to be $200, which also seemed to be the most that a good chunk of PS5 owners who were interested in the Portal said they would be willing to pay as well, so the pricing seems fine. Still wondering how much Sony expects to sell though. I feel like more people would have been willing to pick this up if PS5 cloud streaming was an option, but maybe they crunched the numbers and foresaw fewer sales if they bumped up the price to include that feature. In any case, they seem alright with just selling to existing PS5 owners, which isn't really a bad strategy. Most Vita owners probably had/got a PS4, meaning the number of people in the Sony ecosystem didn't really grow, so might as well lean into that with the Portal and sell a cheaper device only to PS5 owners from the jump.

I also don't think kids and parents would be all that confused by the Portal. Sony has been really clear with the marketing of this device since day one. If there was no widespread Wii U-style confusion upon announcement, I don't think it would suddenly pop up once it hits retail: it's a companion device for your PS5. Everyone got that from the original trailer.
 
There are, approximately, 38,500,000 PS5 owners. Assuming this covers a niche of 1% or 10% of potential buyers, here are the numbers:
• 385,000 = $77 million
• 3,850,000 = $770 million

It’s not that bad of an idea and actually promotes the PS5 as an ecosystem of devices.
 
hologram said:
If it's optimized well enough to play quite well, though, I think this will be a success
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That's the bottom line, if it works well enough, it's got its audience on lock.

I will say that the absence of cloud streaming is a huge oversight. That would have sweetened the deal.
 
ILikeFeet said:
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hands on

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Sony can i copy your homework Nintendo?
Nintendo: yes but dont make it similar
Sony anounce Wii U knockoof
Nintendo:what the heck
 
meatbag said:
That's the bottom line, if it works well enough, it's got its audience on lock.

I will say that the absence of cloud streaming is a huge oversight. That would have sweetened the deal.
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yeah that is an oversight especially since they are testing 4k cloud streaming right now
 
I'm actually more interested in the PlayStation Link stuff. Consumer lossless wireless audio in general is still not really a thing, and that coupled with latency acceptable for gaming is very intriguing personally. Unfortunate that it's not Bluetooth due to what that means for compatibility, but I think it's become obvious that Bluetooth itself is too constraining for that kinda thing.

The Switch supports USB audio. I wonder if the USB adapter will identify itself in a way that's compatible with the Switch.

Catsylvania said:
Just got to the part of the IGN video where they explain PlayStation Portal doesn’t have Bluetooth so you’ll have to buy an all new headset compatible with PlayStation Link.

Wouldn’t be a portable (adjacent) Sony device without some easily avoidable self-inflicted wound. 🤷‍♀️
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It's definitely a blunder overall, but I also... kinda get it? I appreciate that the Switch has Bluetooth audio, but I rarely use it for anything remotely fast paced because the latency becomes distracting. I can adjust for something like Zelda, but even Mario doesn't feel right to play to me using Bluetooth, and as a result I've found myself keeping a pair of wired headphones around specifically for the Switch.

But options never hurt.

Suswave said:
like is this a Wii U or is it straight up remote play?
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Proper remote play. The only thing I haven't seen a comment on is whether it can at least use the local network to bypass the internet. I'd hope so, but I can't find a comment on it (haven't watched a hands-on video yet).

Hajeman said:
It's likes Wii U gamepad, need PS5 console to function. So if you outside the house, you can't use it, it's can't use cloud streaming. Expensive $200 accessories likes PSVR2 $550
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Not quite right. It can't cloud stream, correct, but that's a separate service. It can stream games from your personal PS5 through the internet.
 
Jersh said:
Proper remote play. The only thing I haven't seen a comment on is whether it can at least use the local network to bypass the internet. I'd hope so, but I can't find a comment on it (haven't watched a hands-on video yet).
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It cannot. WiFi only. It's disastrous.
 
Yeah I think I'll get one. My TV and its location makes gaming such a hassle, so I'll use this for PS5 moving on. I especially love "breakfast gaming" in the kitchen, it'll be nice to add PS5 to my breakfast consoles.
 
Canas Renvall said:
It cannot. WiFi only. It's disastrous.
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After much digging, my searching seems to indicate that Sony doesn't like to explain how anything works, but Remote Play does first check to see if the devices are on the same network before going through the Internet. I'd imagine the Portal is the same.

That said, the fact that you specified 'Wi-Fi only' leads me to believe you're not talking about the same thing I am.
 
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… no PS Plus streaming, not even “coming later?”

This really is the Sony Wii U gamepad as Move was to Wii, but much later lol

Good price at least! Can it double as a second player controller without need to stream? That seems like an easy win.
 
meatbag said:
That's the bottom line, if it works well enough, it's got its audience on lock.

I will say that the absence of cloud streaming is a huge oversight. That would have sweetened the deal.
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Yep. I can see this being a huge success in households with multiple kids. All depends on the latency and ease of connection.

The absence of streaming might not be an oversight but maybe part of a plan to build upon Portal and PSN as some sort of cloud infrastructure with a fitting subscription attached to it. Still, I do think no cloud streaming hurts its sales potential right now towards customers that might otherwise be interested.
 
If it actually serves its core purpose of playing PS5 games around the house well, $200 is honestly not a terrible price point. Sony absolutely could have done something insane like $250 or even $300. It's going to have limited appeal for sure, but that was always going to the case. An actual Switch competitor (i.e. take it anywhere) would've been a massive undertaking and a different project altogether.

My first though with this was lol Wii U as well, but there's a fundamental difference with this being completely optional and not positioned as the crux of the system.
 
AngryAlchemist said:
I don't know why people who were never interested in this device are getting themselves in a tizzy over it. I get it's fun to shit on bad things but some of y'all are feigning genuine concern. Yeah it looks bad to me but it's clearly being marketed for a smaller more enthusiast portion of the PS5 pie. Given that almost none of this is a deal-breaker, except maybe the headset. Especially the arguments where we make up fake parents and kids to be disappointed by the product, lol. Sony doesn't give enough of a shit about the portable space to market this to have a sizeable portion of that demographic in the first place.
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Nintendo fanboys won't pass up the chance to take a dump on Sony.
 
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ILikeFeet said:
aye.

personally, I'd like for there to be more functionality for $200. like opened up Android
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I’m checking for confirmation as it sounded obvious to me but Sony’s questionable marketing, some people saying it’s local Wi-Fi only and even a French article stating that very same thing made me doubt a bit.
 
$200 feels like the right price point for this. We're in the realm of luxury controller/experience for a hardcore audience. And it's neat! Though the lack of true streaming for PS Plus is a missed opportunity. As is, the device seems like it has a narrow niche (with the emphasis on narrow). If the remote play it offers can be better than a phone or a dedicated handheld like the Logitech G Cloud, then that would at least help.
 
ILikeFeet said:
aye.

personally, I'd like for there to be more functionality for $200. like opened up Android
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The G Cloud, which regularly goes on sale for $250, is exactly what you’re asking for. It does PlayStation and Xbox remote play, xCloud, G Force Now, PC streaming with Moonlight, plus native Android games and emulation up to the Dreamcast. And it does all this with a 7” screen and unbelievable battery life. It blows the Portal out of the water.
 
L_esson said:
I’m checking for confirmation as it sounded obvious to me but Sony’s questionable marketing, some people saying it’s local Wi-Fi only and even a French article stating that very same thing made me doubt a bit.
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it probably is "officially", but getting the device to connect over long distances through wifi isn't out of the question. now how well it works, is a big question
 
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Agnezenn said:
If it actually serves its core purpose of playing PS5 games around the house well, $200 is honestly not a terrible price point. Sony absolutely could have done something insane like $250 or even $300. It's going to have limited appeal for sure, but that was always going to the case. An actual Switch competitor (i.e. take it anywhere) would've been a massive undertaking and a different project altogether.

My first though with this was lol Wii U as well, but there's a fundamental difference with this being completely optional and not positioned as the crux of the system.
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Its technical viability is also directly correlated with the strength of your home network, instead of being at the mercy of it and surrounding networks. My GamePad couldn't even be used one room over and only got worse as 5 GHz Wi-Fi networks propagated, to the point that I can't even get through a session now with it from 6 feet away without a drop at some point. Whereas with this, all that matters is that both the PS5 and Portal have strong connections to the (preferably local) network - which both greatly expands the potential range, and gives you more room to do something about it if you're experiencing connection stability issues.

tender said:
I was under impression it was only local wifi on the same network as the PS5.
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It's built on the already existing Remote Play, which works over an Internet connection.
 
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If it eventually gets patched to work as a streaming-only standalone device I might consider it

An overlooked problem that this solves is phones having inadequate aspect ratios

Games are usually 16:9 but phones are made for vertical use first, so there's some weird aspect ratios out there and this results in black bars to the sides of the image. I have a phone with a screen with a diagonal " size larger than the OG Switch but the screen space is not properly used on xCloud, so the image is smaller than ideal

It seems like this does actual full screen at least 😅

A bit restrictive overall but might be handy for some
 
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OctoSplattack said:
I feel like more people would have been willing to pick this up if PS5 cloud streaming was an option, but maybe they crunched the numbers and foresaw fewer sales if they bumped up the price to include that feature.
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What else (that costs money) would they need to add to support it?
 
$200 for a Wii U gamepad. I'd say it'll probably be a lot more appealing once someone hacks Android onto it, but it likely won't have much storage nor a SD slot.
 
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lemonfresh said:
Yeah judging by this thread nintendo fans aren't that excited but I wonder how sony fans feel about this, especially the die hards.
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Well, see the comments on the announcement on the official Sony blog. The reactions are all over the place.

Which isn't strange, Sony makes it hard for even the most die-hard PlayStation fanatic not finding flaws with this. No cloud streaming, no bluetooth (but conveniently Sony's own link technology which works with there new headphones and pods) . Also no info on batterylife (seeing the dualsense battery longevity or better, lack off, makes this a pretty important question.
 
lemonfresh said:
Yeah judging by this thread nintendo fans aren't that excited but I wonder how sony fans feel about this, especially the die hards.
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Well, I've seen some "Switch Killer" posts on twitter...
Among my friends that have PS5 no one cared and the sentiment of "my phone already does everything this does" was prevalent.
 
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Bonejack said:
I mean, technically, it's an easy explanation:

"No Mam/Sir, this doesn't work without a Playstation 5. You need a PS5 too, or else this is nothing but an expensive shelf item."
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That tells them what they need, but not what it does or how it works
 
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"PS5 will be $600"

"PSVR 2 will be $1000"

"Project Q will be $300"

I don't know why people still keep expecting at this point that Sony would go far enough to repeat the mistake they made at the beginning of the PS3 generation.
 
JorgenRaft said:
"PS5 will be $600"

"PSVR 2 will be $1000"

"Project Q will be $300"

I don't know why people still keep expecting at this point that Sony would go far enough to repeat the mistake they made at the beginning of the PS3 generation.
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$300 isn't that weird given the alternatives on the market
 
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